White Flight, the taboo subject.

[Lars]

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[RonPaulian]

The reason for ghettoization is because of white flight. When whites move out, there's no one to pay taxes for services since a lot of minorities are on welfare and this leads to poor schooling and police force. The highest paid school teachers are not in the ghetto but in white towns where the population isn't big.

I don't know why minorities want to live with whites anyway. Is it because they feel they'll get a free ride? That they'll live in a great welfare town because the whites are paying?

I believe that people should be able to live where they want. They shouldn't be forced to live with some one they don't want to. I grew up in an all Italian town. The town turned hispanic and black because of white flight. My parents didn't like the "element" that was moving in so they moved out.

The government should not put welfare housing in white towns because it brings the property value down and it also causes anxiety for white people.

 

[MarcATL]

Good topic.

Racism doesn't exist in America...right?

 

[Lars]

Good topic.

Racism doesn't exist in America...right?

Racism is a subjective term, what in this piece do you deem as racist?

 

[Trajan]

so the urban blue collar whitey dream to have a house in Long Island = racism....yup sounds right to me...

 

[PoliticalChic]

Good topic.

Racism doesn't exist in America...right?

Get out once in a while...

...and do a little reading.

1. “But major metro areas are casting a declining share of the nation's votes, while fast-growing counties beyond metro-edge cities, with family-size subdivisions and megachurches, are heavily Republican… Democrats have made their greatest gains in the nation's very largest metropolitan areas. At the same time, Republicans have been gaining in rural areas and the fast-growing metropolitan fringe.” Michael Barone, http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/001106/6pol.htm

2. These areas, with “with family-size subdivisions and megachurches,” termed ‘Sprinkler Cities” by David Brooks, are experiencing astounding growth, due to Americans looking to escape high taxes, bad schools, and still-high-priced homes.

a. “Sprinkler Cities are the fast-growing suburbs mostly in the South and West that are the homes of the new style American Dream, the epicenters of Patio Man fantasies. Douglas County, Colorado, which is the fastest-growing county in America and is located between Denver and Colorado Springs, is a Sprinkler City…. Sprinkler Cities are also generally the most Republican areas of the country. In some of the Sprinkler City congressional districts, Republicans have a 2 or 3 or 4 to 1 registration advantage over Democrats... In fact, the rising prominence of these places heralds a new style of suburb vs. suburb politics, with the explosively growing Republican outer suburbs vying with the slower-growing and increasingly Democratic inner suburbs for control of the center of American political gravity.” Patio Man and the Sprawl People | The Weekly Standard

b. Already, suburbanites make up about half of the country's population (while city people make up 28 percent and rural folk make up the rest), and America gets more suburban every year. According to the census data, the suburbs of America's 100 largest metro areas grew twice as fast as their central cities in the 1990s, and that was a decade in which many cities actually reversed their long population slides…. The majority of Asian Americans, half of Hispanics, and 40 percent of American blacks live in suburbia. Ibid.

While the election of ’08 saw votes from every geographic and demographic for Barak Obama, and explanations for this multiply daily, the ’10 mid-terms may indicate that this was an aberration, outside of the trends suggested above.
The next election may tell the growth outside of cities is a hint of dominance for the Republicans, or continuance of a divided polity.Ibid.


This 'racism' thing is a sickness you should try to get over.
Read this again, in the context of the post:
"The majority of Asian Americans, half of Hispanics, and 40 percent of American blacks live in suburbia."

Grow up.
Wise up.

 

[PoliticalChic]

so the urban blue collar whitey dream to have a house in Long Island = racism....yup sounds right to me...

And Asian.

And Hispanic.

And black.

 

[whitehall]

It was a taboo subject forty years ago. Today they are worried about the pending confiscation of their 401k or Barry's death panels. Times have changed lars, try to keep up.

 

[Trajan]

annnd to add some meat to the bones, the progressive 'cure the symptom' not the disease did create angst as busing took hold...I saw it happen.

 

[Trajan]

so the urban blue collar whitey dream to have a house in Long Island = racism....yup sounds right to me...

And Asian.

And Hispanic.

And black.

inconvenient truths not allowed....

 

[PoliticalChic]

so the urban blue collar whitey dream to have a house in Long Island = racism....yup sounds right to me...

And Asian.

And Hispanic.

And black.

inconvenient truths not allowed....

Marc seems to have vaporized....think he learned something about the 'racism' meme?

 

[manifold]

It was a taboo subject forty years ago.

Still is

 

[The Gadfly]

Good topic.

Racism doesn't exist in America...right?

It does, Marc, but these days, it seems to be far more about class than about color, and that means it's seen quite differently. We have a disproportionate number of Blacks and other minorities still trapped in poverty, and while it's true that poverty does not equal crime,it does correlate with it, enough so that the perception is that with one, comes the other. There's rarely a problem for the Black executive or professional who moves into an upper class or upper-middle class neighborhood; the problem occurs, one might say, closer to the margins; let Blacks move into a working class, or even middle class, area, and white flight soon follows, driven by fear of crime, and fear of declining property values (which often becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Perceptions being what they are, one family's chance to move up, becomes another's catastrophe. From an economic standpoint, that doesn't have to be,at least, not in theory; there's no reason anyone can only get his share of the economic pie at the expense of someone else. In the real world, though, that often IS what happens. Add that, to those on both sides of the divide who for one reason or another think fear is a useful tool, and here we go again.

The thing is, we can't, under our constitution, tell anyone he can't sell his home and move; so people move up, ghettoization moves with them, and we're back to square one. Minorities perceive this as blatant racism; a lot of White America sees it as simple fear. Minorities see a thinly-veiled excuse, Whites see it as something legitimate; and it doesn't matter much from either perspective just how much is reality, and how much is just perception. It's hard to deal with, because there is legitimate truth to be found on both sides, in one situation or another. Now put in our current economic situation, in which middle and working class people of all races feel insecure, vulnerable, and threatened, and we have a mess that has no easy solutions.

 

[Lars]

Good topic.

Racism doesn't exist in America...right?

It does, Marc, but these days, it seems to be far more about class than about color, and that means it's seen quite differently. We have a disproportionate number of Blacks and other minorities still trapped in poverty, and while it's true that poverty does not equal crime,it does correlate with it, enough so that the perception is that with one, comes the other.

There is no correlation between poverty and crime. Appalachia is arguably the poorest region of the country, yet it has lower crime rates on average than the national average. It just also happens to be that Appalachia is overwhelmingly white.
http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/189560.pdf

 

[Polk]

Good topic.

Racism doesn't exist in America...right?

Get out once in a while...

...and do a little reading.

1. “But major metro areas are casting a declining share of the nation's votes, while fast-growing counties beyond metro-edge cities, with family-size subdivisions and megachurches, are heavily Republican… Democrats have made their greatest gains in the nation's very largest metropolitan areas. At the same time, Republicans have been gaining in rural areas and the fast-growing metropolitan fringe.” Michael Barone, http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/001106/6pol.htm

2. These areas, with “with family-size subdivisions and megachurches,” termed ‘Sprinkler Cities” by David Brooks, are experiencing astounding growth, due to Americans looking to escape high taxes, bad schools, and still-high-priced homes.

a. “Sprinkler Cities are the fast-growing suburbs mostly in the South and West that are the homes of the new style American Dream, the epicenters of Patio Man fantasies. Douglas County, Colorado, which is the fastest-growing county in America and is located between Denver and Colorado Springs, is a Sprinkler City…. Sprinkler Cities are also generally the most Republican areas of the country. In some of the Sprinkler City congressional districts, Republicans have a 2 or 3 or 4 to 1 registration advantage over Democrats... In fact, the rising prominence of these places heralds a new style of suburb vs. suburb politics, with the explosively growing Republican outer suburbs vying with the slower-growing and increasingly Democratic inner suburbs for control of the center of American political gravity.” Patio Man and the Sprawl People | The Weekly Standard

b. Already, suburbanites make up about half of the country's population (while city people make up 28 percent and rural folk make up the rest), and America gets more suburban every year. According to the census data, the suburbs of America's 100 largest metro areas grew twice as fast as their central cities in the 1990s, and that was a decade in which many cities actually reversed their long population slides…. The majority of Asian Americans, half of Hispanics, and 40 percent of American blacks live in suburbia. Ibid.

While the election of ’08 saw votes from every geographic and demographic for Barak Obama, and explanations for this multiply daily, the ’10 mid-terms may indicate that this was an aberration, outside of the trends suggested above.
The next election may tell the growth outside of cities is a hint of dominance for the Republicans, or continuance of a divided polity.Ibid.


This 'racism' thing is a sickness you should try to get over.
Read this again, in the context of the post:
"The majority of Asian Americans, half of Hispanics, and 40 percent of American blacks live in suburbia."

Grow up.
Wise up.

You realize that article is from a decade ago?

 

[AVG-JOE]

Good topic.

Racism doesn't exist in America...right?

So far the track record for this piece of dirt looks like it may end up reading: "Invaders - 2 / Natives - 0"

 

[AVG-JOE]

Good topic.

Racism doesn't exist in America...right?

Racism is a subjective term, what in this piece do you deem as racist?

Let's start with where you put it:
US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum > US Discussion > Race Relations/Racism > White Flight, the taboo subject.

You're the one who made it about race.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Good topic.

Racism doesn't exist in America...right?

Get out once in a while...

...and do a little reading.

1. “But major metro areas are casting a declining share of the nation's votes, while fast-growing counties beyond metro-edge cities, with family-size subdivisions and megachurches, are heavily Republican… Democrats have made their greatest gains in the nation's very largest metropolitan areas. At the same time, Republicans have been gaining in rural areas and the fast-growing metropolitan fringe.” Michael Barone, http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/001106/6pol.htm

2. These areas, with “with family-size subdivisions and megachurches,” termed ‘Sprinkler Cities” by David Brooks, are experiencing astounding growth, due to Americans looking to escape high taxes, bad schools, and still-high-priced homes.

a. “Sprinkler Cities are the fast-growing suburbs mostly in the South and West that are the homes of the new style American Dream, the epicenters of Patio Man fantasies. Douglas County, Colorado, which is the fastest-growing county in America and is located between Denver and Colorado Springs, is a Sprinkler City…. Sprinkler Cities are also generally the most Republican areas of the country. In some of the Sprinkler City congressional districts, Republicans have a 2 or 3 or 4 to 1 registration advantage over Democrats... In fact, the rising prominence of these places heralds a new style of suburb vs. suburb politics, with the explosively growing Republican outer suburbs vying with the slower-growing and increasingly Democratic inner suburbs for control of the center of American political gravity.” Patio Man and the Sprawl People | The Weekly Standard

b. Already, suburbanites make up about half of the country's population (while city people make up 28 percent and rural folk make up the rest), and America gets more suburban every year. According to the census data, the suburbs of America's 100 largest metro areas grew twice as fast as their central cities in the 1990s, and that was a decade in which many cities actually reversed their long population slides…. The majority of Asian Americans, half of Hispanics, and 40 percent of American blacks live in suburbia. Ibid.

While the election of ’08 saw votes from every geographic and demographic for Barak Obama, and explanations for this multiply daily, the ’10 mid-terms may indicate that this was an aberration, outside of the trends suggested above.
The next election may tell the growth outside of cities is a hint of dominance for the Republicans, or continuance of a divided polity.Ibid.


This 'racism' thing is a sickness you should try to get over.
Read this again, in the context of the post:
"The majority of Asian Americans, half of Hispanics, and 40 percent of American blacks live in suburbia."

Grow up.
Wise up.

Republican -vs- Democrat: The Final Frontier in Racism

 

[AVG-JOE]

Good topic.

Racism doesn't exist in America...right?

It does, Marc, but these days, it seems to be far more about class than about color, and that means it's seen quite differently. We have a disproportionate number of Blacks and other minorities still trapped in poverty, and while it's true that poverty does not equal crime,it does correlate with it, enough so that the perception is that with one, comes the other. There's rarely a problem for the Black executive or professional who moves into an upper class or upper-middle class neighborhood; the problem occurs, one might say, closer to the margins; let Blacks move into a working class, or even middle class, area, and white flight soon follows, driven by fear of crime, and fear of declining property values (which often becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Perceptions being what they are, one family's chance to move up, becomes another's catastrophe. From an economic standpoint, that doesn't have to be,at least, not in theory; there's no reason anyone can only get his share of the economic pie at the expense of someone else. In the real world, though, that often IS what happens.
Add that, to those on both sides of the divide who for one reason or another think fear is a useful tool, and here we go again.

The thing is, we can't, under our constitution, tell anyone he can't sell his home and move; so people move up, ghettoization moves with them, and we're back to square one. Minorities perceive this as blatant racism; a lot of White America sees it as simple fear. Minorities see a thinly-veiled excuse, Whites see it as something legitimate; and it doesn't matter much from either perspective just how much is reality, and how much is just perception. It's hard to deal with, because there is legitimate truth to be found on both sides, in one situation or another. Now put in our current economic situation, in which middle and working class people of all races feel insecure, vulnerable, and threatened, and we have a mess that has no easy solutions.

Republican -vs- Democrat: The Final Frontier in Racism

 

[Lars]

Good topic.

Racism doesn't exist in America...right?

Racism is a subjective term, what in this piece do you deem as racist?

Let's start with where you put it:
US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum > US Discussion > Race Relations/Racism > White Flight, the taboo subject.

You're the one who made it about race.

I didn't put it there, the mod did. It is absolutely about race, but I am curious as to where he sees racism in the video and whom he thinks the racism is being perpetrated upon?