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    In their racial thinking to blacks and other non-whites, some of them that is......


    Robert Jensen: In South Africa, Apartheid is Dead, But White Supremacy Lingers On


    That shouldn’t be surprising -- how could centuries of white supremacy simply disappear in 15 years? What did surprise me during my lecture tour was not the racial tension but how much discussions about race in South Africa sounded just like conversations in the United States. There was something eerily familiar to me, a lifelong white U.S. citizen, about those discussions. I have heard comments from black people in the United States like Cedile’s, but I’ve also heard white Americans articulate views on race that were sometimes exactly like white South Africans’. I learned that even with all the differences in the two countries there are equally important similarities, and as a result the sense of entitlement that so many white people hold onto produces similar dodges and denials.

    Those similarities: South Africa and the United States were the two longstanding settler states that maintained legal apartheid long after the post-World War II decolonization process. The crucial term is “settler state,” marking a process by which an invading population exterminates or displaces and exploits the indigenous population to acquire its land and resources, with formal slavery playing a key role at some point in the country’s history. Both strategies were justified with overtly racist doctrines about white supremacy, and both required the white population to discard basic moral and religious principles, leading to a pathological psychology of superiority. Both of those settler strategies have left us with racialized disparities in wealth and well-being long after the formal apartheid is over.

    The main difference: The United States struggles with its problem with a white majority, while South Africa has a black majority. But what I found fascinating his how little difference that made in terms of the psychological pathology of so many white people. So, as is typically the case, my trip to South Africa taught me not only about racism in South Africa but also in the United States, which reminded me that perhaps we travel to observe others so that we can learn about ourselves.





    The first trend was the belief that whatever racism remained in South Africa, things will get better naturally, as long as South Africans respect all cultures. The argument seems to go something like this: Apartheid is over, we have a black government, and now it’s time to move ahead by understanding that the problem of race in no longer political but one of inadequate cultural understanding and engagement. This celebration of diversity is familiar to us in the United States, where institutions (especially corporations and schools) tend to address difficult questions about disparities in political power and the distribution of wealth through multiculturalism. While there’s nothing wrong, of course, with acknowledging cultural diversity and helping people learn more about other cultures, multiculturalism does not take the place of real politics, no matter how much many white people wish it could. Understanding others doesn’t automatically mean that those with unearned privileged will work to undermine the system that gives them that privilege.


    Sounds eerily similar to what a lot of US whites say.
     
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    Badmouth Whites all you want, but it will be the Asians that will dominate the world.
     
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    I wouldn't be surprised. They have the highest IQ on average and they must be getting pretty angry, given the state of most of Asia
     
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    Some more important key quotes:

    * After a talk at the University of Johannesburg in which I argued for always keeping discussions of race grounded in the white-supremacy of the culture, a faculty member there took issue with the tone of my remarks. If we want to be a “post-racial” society, she suggested that dialogue without all the political baggage was necessary. The only path to racial harmony was to put aside the bitterness and find a common humanity, and part of the success of the interracial dialogues she was part of was the ability of the group to put race aside, she said.

    I told her I had no problem with people pursuing such discussions so long as we didn’t pretend we could erase the effects of race with the snap of our fingers. Racial distinctions and racialized disparities in wealth endure, even without the legal enshrinement of them, and that reality has to be acknowledged. She pressed the claim that such a focus on race undermines commonality, noting that as a person of German and Jewish heritage, she knew this first hand. The comments from blacks in the room who disputed her call for color blindness didn’t dissuade her; she was adamant about the proper path. As she pressed on, I noticed a row of black students behind her rolling their eyes, suggesting they had heard this before and were tired of it. The price of admission to these race dialogues was to leave behind what people of color know about race, and one thing they know is that we whites typically are too quick to believe we have transcended race.





    * “Instead of involving themselves in an all-out attempt to stamp out racism from their white society, liberals waste lots of time trying to prove to as many blacks as they can find that they are liberal. This arises out of the false belief that we are faced with a black problem. There is nothing the matter with blacks. The problem is WHITE RACISM and it rests squarely on the laps of the white society

    In rejecting what he saw as a false integration, Biko made it clear he believed in real integration premised on a struggle for justice:

    “If by integration you understand a breakthrough into white society by blacks, an assimilation and acceptance of blacks into an already established set of norms and code of behaviour set up by and maintained by whites, then YES I am against it. … If on the other hand by integration you mean there shall be free participation by all members of a society, catering for the full expression of the self in a freely changing society as determined by the will of the people, then I am with you.”



    Steve Biko was the man, spoken so truthful.
     
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    Chinese are already neocolonialists in certain African countries, but they will neve do what Europens did to the entire world with their imperialism and colonialism.
     
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    Similar, indeed. Looks like they are both a group of peoples capable of creating a stable nation which your black ass enjoys more than the standard issue Tribal Warfare that is the reality of every other high population of blacks. The only difference between african tribes and the crips and bloods is location and ammo.
     
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    It Just Feels Right To Be White! good monday morning to ya racist bass!:lol:
     
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    Plenty in common like creating stable nations for white people *ONLY* nations at the expense of exterminating, killing, raping, mongrelizing, enslaving, stealing land, oppressing and reducing native peoples and peoples of color to second and third class citizenship and then pretending that the causes that lead to the conditions that these oppressed people live in are their fault, while ignoring the fact that most of what the whites have in both South Africa and America is largely unearned, though you would like people to believe otherwise.
     
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    Whites in South Africa voluntarily gave up power to blacks, only to find that in the ensuing decade, crime skyrocketed and they became the targets of unspeakable acts.

    So, yeah, probably some similarities there...
     
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    One fact you missed is that black people kill more black people in the US than whites do. So if anyone is eliminating people of color, it's people of color.

    One question, the US was created for white people only? Now I know you're for a fact you're an idiot. and a racist.
     

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