Whip My Roman Sex Gods 2017 Version

[Pogo]

A Regeneration for the day and its Roots....

The true Valentine's Day? Forget roses and candy, sweetheart, and kneel before Lupercalia

Hot pagan sex and lustful gods and ancient wolf goddesses and potential marriage and more sex and more than a little crazed giddy divine animal blood sacrifice.

All followed by some nice light whippings administered by nearly naked grinning boy-men, casual flagellations by goat-skin, some joyful thrashing in the name of fertility and purity and, you know, sex. Ahh, Valentine's Day.

The original, that is. Before it was called Valentine's Day, back when it was called Lupercalia, a big Roman festival in honor of the fertility god Lupercus, before the ever-scowlin' church got a hold of this ancient and rather odd and blood-pumped Roman lust-fest, co-opted it and de-sexed it stripped it of its more salacious and admittedly libertine joys, as the church is so tragically wont to do.

... Tried to convert it into a mildly consecrated (read: bland, not naked) day, the church did, "Christianize" that naughty pagan fest, and failing that because no way are you gonna trump ancient sex and lust with uptight chastity and faux-purity, they tossed in Saint Valentine to the mix, invented some nice legend, tried to turn this most funky of pagan holidays into an homage to saccharine romantic love and cherry nougat chocolates and Hallmark schmalz [sic].

... Luperci priests gathered and sacrificed goats and young dogs, the former for strength, the latter for purification and in honor of their strong sexual instinct and because it was a fertility diety and this is just what you did if you were a happy pagan citizen a couple thousand [sic] years ago.

Some hunky boys of noble birth were then led to the shrine, where the priests would dab their foreheads with a sword dipped in the animal blood, after which our baffled youths were apparently obliged to break out into a shout of purifying laughter because that's what the rite called for and no one is quite sure why and, well, wouldn't you?

Then, a feast. Meat. Wine galore. Followed by the slicing of goat skins into pieces, some of which the priests cut into strips and dipped in the blood and then handed to the boys, who would take off and run through the streets, gently touching or lashing crops and bystanders -- especially women -- with the skins along the way to inspire fertility and harvest and because hey, half-naked laughing boys wielding bloody goat skins ‚- what's not to love?

Actually, the women eagerly stepped forward to be so stroked, believing that such a blessing rendered them fertile (even if they were sterile), and procured them ease in childbearing, and made them look all gothy and cool and sexy.

... Then came the sex lottery. Oh yes. Say it like you mean it. Pretty much only have to say the words, "sex lottery," and already you're like, damn, count me in, sure beats dinner and a movie.

And all the young lasses in the city would place their names in a large urn, and the city's eligible bachelors would choose a name out of the urn and become paired for the year with his chosen woman, oftening resulting in marriage. You know, sort of like the Mormons. Only with actual sex. And booze. And without the creepy undergarments.

Lupercal was said to be the birthplace of Rome, the spot where Romulus and Remus were suckled by a wolf (lupus). The festival Lupercalia, on the ides of February, incited fertility for the coming year and honoured Pan, who protected flocks from wolves. The idea of lupine foster-mothers was a recurring mid-Eastern mythological theme, making appearances in the origins of Zoroaster, the origins of Turkey and the Canary Islands (from canis), and even the fable of Little Red Riding Hood. But we digress.

As the Christian Church rose in European influence, it subsumed the older pagan festivals and mythological personages into holy-days and saints, in the case of this day substituting the names of real-life partners with sermons or saints' names to be emulated over the next year (with predictable (lack of) popularity), and eventually coming up in the 5th century with a "St. Valentine", who was a sort of conglomeration of several irreconcilable biographies built vaguely designed on the spirits of Eros/Cupid and the aforementioned Pan.

So Happy VD And good luck in the lottery

...Because it's always good to know where your manufactured holidays really come from. Ya gotta give props to the old gods, throw a karmic kiss to Lupercus and Juno and the she-wolf. Word. (ibid)

This is Fertility Day. Let's have all hands on deck. Uh, so to speak.

 

[Pogo]

In the Roman Lupercalia (a feast in honour of the pastoral god Lupercus) mentioned at the outset of this thread, young males would draw a "billet" -- a little slip of paper with a girl's name on it -- for erotic games. The Church tried to supplant this custom by supplanting the content of these billets with saint's names and/or short sermons. Given the choice between the pious and the profane, popular custom stayed with the latter and the church plan went over like a lead balloon.


In 496 AD, Pope Gelasius decided to put an end to the Feast of Lupercalia, and he declared that February 14 be celebrated as St Valentine's Day. Historically:

>> Saint Valentine's Day embraces a time of year that is historically associated with love and fertility. It encompasses the sacred marriage of Zeus and Hera in Ancient Athens and the Ancient Roman festival of Lupercus, the god of fertility.

The priests of Lupercus would perform a traditional purification ritual, slaughtering goats to the god, and after consuming wine, they would run through the streets of Rome holding aloft the skins of the goats touching anyone they met. The occasion compelled floods of young women to the streets in the belief that being touched would improve their chances of conceiving and bring forth easy childbirth. There remains some speculation over the exact date of the celebration.

The first official Saint Valentine's Day was declared on 14th of February by Pope Galasius in 496, in memory of a 3rd century martyred priest in Rome. It is not known for sure whether Pope Galasius was honouring this 3rd century priest or whether it was one of two other martyred priests associated with the 14th of February. One was Bishop of Interamna (modern Terni) and the other apparently suffered in Africa along with a number of companions. Nothing further is known about these two Saint Valentines and it is the priest in Rome that has become the most widely acclaimed of the three. <<​

 

[Pogo]

In the Roman Lupercalia (a feast in honour of the pastoral god Lupercus) mentioned at the outset of this thread, young males would draw a "billet" -- a little slip of paper with a girl's name on it -- for erotic games. The Church tried to supplant this custom by supplanting the content of these billets with saint's names and/or short sermons. Given the choice between the pious and the profane, popular custom stayed with the latter and the church plan went over like a lead balloon.


In 496 AD, Pope Gelasius decided to put an end to the Feast of Lupercalia, and he declared that February 14 be celebrated as St Valentine's Day. Historically:

>> Saint Valentine's Day embraces a time of year that is historically associated with love and fertility. It encompasses the sacred marriage of Zeus and Hera in Ancient Athens and the Ancient Roman festival of Lupercus, the god of fertility.

The priests of Lupercus would perform a traditional purification ritual, slaughtering goats to the god, and after consuming wine, they would run through the streets of Rome holding aloft the skins of the goats touching anyone they met. The occasion compelled floods of young women to the streets in the belief that being touched would improve their chances of conceiving and bring forth easy childbirth. There remains some speculation over the exact date of the celebration.

The first official Saint Valentine's Day was declared on 14th of February by Pope Galasius in 496, in memory of a 3rd century martyred priest in Rome. It is not known for sure whether Pope Galasius was honouring this 3rd century priest or whether it was one of two other martyred priests associated with the 14th of February. One was Bishop of Interamna (modern Terni) and the other apparently suffered in Africa along with a number of companions. Nothing further is known about these two Saint Valentines and it is the priest in Rome that has become the most widely acclaimed of the three. <<​

Further back, Lupercal was said to be the birthplace of Rome, the spot where Romulus and Remus were suckled by a wolf (lupus). The festival Lupercalia, on the ides of February, incited fertility for the coming year and honoured Pan (who comes down to our time as "Cupid" among other forms), who protected flocks from wolves. The idea of lupine foster-mothers was a recurring mid-Eastern mythological theme, making appearances in the origins of Zoroaster, the origins of Turkey and the Canary Islands (from canis), and even the fable of Little Red Riding Hood. But we digress.

As the Christian Church rose in European influence, it subsumed the older pagan festivals and mythological personages into holy-days and saints, in this case substituting the names of real-life partners with sermons or saints' names to be emulated over the next year (with predictable (dearth of) popularity), and eventually coming up in the 5th century with a "St. Valentine", a sort of conglomeration of several irreconcilable biographies built vaguely on the spirits of Eros/Cupid and the aforementioned Pan.

Presumably then, the Roman billets were the ancestors, if indirectly, of today's Valentine cards. I can remember a custom like this from my (Catholic) grade school, although I'm pretty sure that custom stopped well short of erotic games. --- except of course when I channel my inner Brian Williams, but again I digress.

Indeed the name of the month of February itself comes from the febris (fever) of love. In the Roman Empire Candelmas (February 2nd, descended to us as "Groundhog Day) commemorates Juno Februata, the virgin mother of Mars. Animals were thought this day to rise out of winter hibernation and provide predictions for the coming year, begetting our modern Groundhog Day:

The badger peeps out of his hole on Candlemas Day, and if he finds snow, walks abroad; but if he sees the sun shining he draws back into his hole. (German proverb) 3

The Celtic name for the same holiday, Imbolc ("in the belly") usually appends to the goddess/saint Bridget (Bride), though the designated Brigantian day may vary regionally from February 1st to 6th Alternately the name of the month comes from februarius mensis, "month of purification", the last month of the Roman calendar year The previous name for this month in OE was solmonað "mud month".

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

I may be mistaken but I believe the reason "St." was removed from Valentine's day was that the Roman Catholic Church was addressed on the matter of it being a Pagan sex / lust feast to Nimrod and they decided to remove themselves from it as it has no correlation to a person who allegedly died a martyr and was called St. Valentine. The term Valentine in this case predates the alleged martyr and is from the Latin word Valen meaning strong, powerful, hero referencing the hunter Nimrod......one ancient proverb is noted where the people addressed their hero warrior as "my valentine" and in this they were addressing Nimrod. The day has nothing to do with a martyr who died for Christ and perhaps that is when the decision was made to abandon it (the RCC). It also includes a pagan ritual of animal sacrifices, I believe they are goats that they sacrifice.

Question for Pogo - as the Wicca slogan has in it something about do no harm how do you reconcile the killing of an animal, taking it's blood, drinking it or whatever and then say we do no harm? Isn't that in reality, not the truth? When you are killing an animal for sacrifice are you not doing harm to that animal? What about the sexual orgies and the fact that Lupercalia included children in these sex orgies, isn't that doing harm? Why yes. It is.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

I may be mistaken but I believe the reason "St." was removed from Valentine's day was that the Roman Catholic Church was addressed on the matter of it being a Pagan sex / lust feast to Nimrod and they decided to remove themselves from it as it has no correlation to a person who allegedly died a martyr and was called St. Valentine. The term Valentine in this case predates the alleged martyr and is from the Latin word Valen meaning strong, powerful, hero referencing the hunter Nimrod......one ancient proverb is noted where the people addressed their hero warrior as "my valentine" and in this they were addressing Nimrod. The day has nothing to do with a martyr who died for Christ and perhaps that is when the decision was made to abandon it (the RCC). It also includes a pagan ritual of animal sacrifices, I believe they are goats that they sacrifice.

Question for Pogo - as the Wicca slogan has in it something about do no harm how do you reconcile the killing of an animal, taking it's blood, drinking it or whatever and then say we do no harm? Isn't that in reality, not the truth? When you are killing an animal for sacrifice are you not doing harm to that animal? What about the sexual orgies and the fact that Lupercalia included children in these sex orgies, isn't that doing harm? Why yes. It is.

 

[Pogo]

I may be mistaken but I believe the reason "St." was removed from Valentine's day was that the Roman Catholic Church was addressed on the matter of it being a Pagan sex / lust feast to Nimrod and they decided to remove themselves from it as it has no correlation to a person who allegedly died a martyr and was called St. Valentine. The term Valentine in this case predates the alleged martyr and is from the Latin word Valen meaning strong, powerful, hero referencing the hunter Nimrod......one ancient proverb is noted where the people addressed their hero warrior as "my valentine" and in this they were addressing Nimrod. The day has nothing to do with a martyr who died for Christ and perhaps that is when the decision was made to abandon it (the RCC). It also includes a pagan ritual of animal sacrifices, I believe they are goats that they sacrifice.

As we discussed yesterday, I don't know what "St. Valentine"'s current status is. I haven't been associated with the Church recently. But I do know the history of where he came from. As a no-longer-practicing Catholic, what his status is today is of no consequence.

But you sure have a hangup about this guy Nimrod.

Question for Pogo - as the Wicca slogan has in it something about do no harm how do you reconcile the killing of an animal, taking it's blood, drinking it or whatever and then say we do no harm?

Again, I didn't bring either of those ideas up, so you'll have to argue this with yourself.

What about the sexual orgies and the fact that Lupercalia included children in these sex orgies, isn't that doing harm? Why yes. It is.

I don't know if it is or not. I wasn't there and I doubt you were either. How are we defining "children"?

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

I may be mistaken but I believe the reason "St." was removed from Valentine's day was that the Roman Catholic Church was addressed on the matter of it being a Pagan sex / lust feast to Nimrod and they decided to remove themselves from it as it has no correlation to a person who allegedly died a martyr and was called St. Valentine. The term Valentine in this case predates the alleged martyr and is from the Latin word Valen meaning strong, powerful, hero referencing the hunter Nimrod......one ancient proverb is noted where the people addressed their hero warrior as "my valentine" and in this they were addressing Nimrod. The day has nothing to do with a martyr who died for Christ and perhaps that is when the decision was made to abandon it (the RCC). It also includes a pagan ritual of animal sacrifices, I believe they are goats that they sacrifice.

As we discussed yesterday, I don't know what "St. Valentine"'s current status is. I haven't been associated with the Church recently. But I do know the history of where he came from. As a no-longer-practicing Catholic, what his status is today is of no consequence.

But you sure have a hangup about this guy Nimrod.

Question for Pogo - as the Wicca slogan has in it something about do no harm how do you reconcile the killing of an animal, taking it's blood, drinking it or whatever and then say we do no harm?

Again, I didn't bring either of those ideas up, so you'll have to argue this with yourself.

What about the sexual orgies and the fact that Lupercalia included children in these sex orgies, isn't that doing harm? Why yes. It is.

I don't know if it is or not. I wasn't there and I doubt you were either. How are we defining "children"?

I do. The St. has been removed and that had to have come from the Vatican. Who else would have the power or authority to make that happen on a global scale? It's been removed.

Next you comment on my bringing up Nimrod's name...... Nimrod is the one who is celebrated during Lupercalia. Why shouldn't he not be mentioned? Why do you continue to avoid that fact? In fact, Nimrod is the founder of Babel. The first one involved in child sacrifice, he and his wife / mother Semiramis were the founders of the occult which you appear to be so taken with. Surely you would need to know what the roots are to what you are involved in, don't you think?

Did you know that it was Shem's son who put Nimrod to death and cut his body up in pieces for the sin of witchcraft and sacrificing infants to Baal?

Shem was Noah's son so this thing goes way back. We're talking about the founding of the occult, Pogo. Surely this should interest you because it establishes the fact that they had chose to serve Lucifer over God and were performing blood sacrifices to him.

Next you say that you are unaware of animal sacrifices yet you did mention animal sacrifices in your original OP about Lupercalia so why are you pretending not to know anything of it now?

Answer the question. If your motto is do no harm in Wicca then how can you perform animal sacrifices and still believe you are doing no harm? How can you celebrate the pagan day of Lupercalia which involved sexual orgies which include children and say that there is no harm done in Paganism? Why do you ask how old the children used are? A child is a child.

What part of that do you not understand? Lupercalia includes children in their sexual orgies. Do you STILL say that Wicca's motto to Do no harm is true? I find it impossible. In fact, one must come to the conclusion that it does great harm. That Wicca is even participating in violence and the shedding of blood.

Indeed just up until yesterday you were using a signature that was most violent of our president being thrown down by a vicious attack bully. I am glad to see you have removed it but truly there is something very violent and demonic about Wicca and those who partake of it. The hatred is palpable.

Where does such hatred and evil come from? Only one place. Satan. He's not a figment of the imagination. He's the founder of the religion you're celebrating. While he may have convinced you that he does not exist it does not change the fact that he does.

And because Satan exists, you should know that Jesus Christ is the one who defeated him 2,000 years ago at the cross and every demon of hell hates to be reminded of that day. When you are conversing with demons ask them about that day and note the response. Satan does not like to be reminded of his defeat at the cross because it exposes the truth that what he has promised and offered to those who serve him, becoming immortal, becoming a god or goddess, a rulership position in hell, none of it is his to offer. He can offer none of these things because he is doomed for destruction and he knows it. He's doing his best to keep you and others like you from finding the truth out.

God loves you. He doesn't want you to be deceived by Satan. The feast of Lupercalia is sinful and wicked. The Lord does not want to see you send yourself to hell. He wants you to be with him in heaven but he is not going to force you to follow him. You are going to have to make that decision of your own accord. The bible tells us that sin is fun for a season but in the end it brings forth death. Eternal death. Choose life. Jesus died on a cross to give it to you. Everlasting life is a free gift, not something you can earn. A free gift that Jesus paid for so that you could be reconciled back to God. Think about how much God loves you that he sent his only begotten Son to die for your sins. Who else would do that for you? Who else loves you that much?

 

[Pogo]

I do. The St. has been removed and that had to have come from the Vatican. Who else would have the power or authority to make that happen on a global scale? It's been removed.

Whatever, I'll take your word for it. I don't really care; it's not relevant to anything.

I've already described how he was invented so we don't have a disagreement here anyway.

Next you comment on my bringing up Nimrod's name...... Nimrod is the one who is celebrated during Lupercalia. Why shouldn't he not be mentioned? Why do you continue to avoid that fact? In fact, Nimrod is the founder of Babel. The first one involved in child sacrifice, he and his wife / mother Semiramis were the founders of the occult which you appear to be so taken with. Surely you would need to know what the roots are to what you are involved in, don't you think?

I've done oodles of reading and research on this stuff and I heard nothing of this "Nimrod" until you got obsessed with him during the last week. I'm just going to wait it out.

Did you know that it was Shem's son who put Nimrod to death and cut his body up in pieces for the sin of witchcraft and sacrificing infants to Baal?

No. Don't care. Irrelevant.

And btw "witchcraft" is another slippery weasel-word that could mean anything depending on who's using it. You know that what it means is "wisdom", right? Whelp, there are, and always have been, forces that feel threatened by Wisdom and will stop at nothing to silence it when it threatens their power --- including tying its practitioners to a stake and burning them alive. which is what today we call "terrorism". So this story fragment is way too vague, and way too shaky considering its source, to be an avenue worth going down anyway.

Next you say that you are unaware of animal sacrifices yet you did mention animal sacrifices in your original OP about Lupercalia so why are you pretending not to know anything of it now?

I believe that was a quote from a source I didn't happen to name. It's not an advocacy position; it's a simple reporting of historical fact. Learn the difference.

Answer the question. If your motto is do no harm in Wicca then how can you perform animal sacrifices and still believe you are doing no harm?

Again, I didn't bring up "Wicca", though I do know the Wiccan Rede. You've quoted it accurately but it's not involved here. You're trying to bring in some kind of red herring.

Why do you ask how old the children used are? A child is a child.

A friend of mine recently died. She was, like anyone else, the child of her parents, and I may describe her as such without divulging the fact that she was 99 years old.

With questionable sources, I question everything.

 

[Pogo]

Where does such hatred and evil come from? Only one place. Satan. He's not a figment of the imagination. He's the founder of the religion you're celebrating.

I'm not "celebrating" any "religion". I'm reporting the roots of ancient custom. Even if the language is poetic. So sue me.

"Satan" does not exist. "He" is a monster under the bed, a simplistic anthropomophization of the Unknown and/or the dark side of Nature and human nature, the parts that don't digest so easily. "He" is invented because it's easier to contrive a giant blow-up doll and go "it's all his fault" than to look inside ourselves and acknowledge everything that's in there, even the parts we might wish were not.

That's just esacapism. I don't believe in esapism.

While he may have convinced you that he does not exist it does not change the fact that he does.

Circular reasoning. I don't believe in that either.

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Tellya what, if Satan exists --- prove it. Have "him" post something here.

 

[Pogo]

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[OldLady]

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Good story, Pogo! Thank you!