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1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.
2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people
3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal.
4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state.
5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.
6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.
7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.
8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control."
9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.
10.We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.
except that is not why this group was formed, funny they didnt pop up when the patriot act was enacted but a black guy gets elected and boom, groups like this pop up.
How do you know that wasn't one of the initial driving factors that gave someone the idea to form the group?
timing? the Patriot act has been here for some time now but they wait till the president who enacted it is no longer the president? it doesnt take kreskin to see what they are all about.
How do you know that wasn't one of the initial driving factors that gave someone the idea to form the group?
timing? the Patriot act has been here for some time now but they wait till the president who enacted it is no longer the president? it doesnt take kreskin to see what they are all about.
Evolution of an idea. One possible scenario; Issue arises, person gets an idea, idea sits on back burner, another issue arises which spurs the idea into action. Not saying this is what happened in this case but since neither of us are involve with this group how do we know? It's called giving the benefit of the doubt without having all the facts, you know, being fair, open minded and not jumping to conclusions.
oathkeepers is a radical anti American group that i am willing to bet quite a few unknowing people have joined, plus the whole idea of this group is stupid, if you take an oath you should not have to join a group stating that you will live up to that oath as that is already implied by the taking of the oath in the first place.
timing? the Patriot act has been here for some time now but they wait till the president who enacted it is no longer the president? it doesnt take kreskin to see what they are all about.
Evolution of an idea. One possible scenario; Issue arises, person gets an idea, idea sits on back burner, another issue arises which spurs the idea into action. Not saying this is what happened in this case but since neither of us are involve with this group how do we know? It's called giving the benefit of the doubt without having all the facts, you know, being fair, open minded and not jumping to conclusions.
since there is no need for this group they do not get the benefit of the doubt, this group was formed because of the lunatic fringe fantasies put forth by the nutty part of the right wing that see's fema building concentration camps and other such nonsense.
#1 seems to refer to "the American People" not "an American Citizen"This is the Oath:
1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.
It would be interesting to see the rationale behind each of the statements. I would expect many or all to be qualified depending on the circumstances. Take #1 for instance. Would they refuse to disarm Americans under any circumstances or only in those circumstances in which weapons were not being used unlawfully against other Americans?
oathkeepers is a radical anti American group that i am willing to bet quite a few unknowing people have joined, plus the whole idea of this group is stupid, if you take an oath you should not have to join a group stating that you will live up to that oath as that is already implied by the taking of the oath in the first place.
I think the whole purpose is to make a point more than anything else. Patriotic law enforcement officers who are standing up in front of government officials and citizens and affirming that they won't follow orders that are unconstitutional, such as the disarming of lawful, law abigding gun owners after hurricane Katrina.
Tha value in their organization is that if we ever had a political leadership who tried to bypass our rights, upstanding and faithful law enforcement officials would refuse to act against us.
Of course, the organization could be used against us as well, if you look at it from a historic perspective. If there had been a contingent of redcoats who had taken a similar approach back in the 1700's, the long list of abuses may have never arisen, therefore we would have never fought for independence. Likewise, if Oathkeepers prevents our current corporate leadership from eliminating or subverting our Constitutional rights, they may have a net effect of preventing Americans who are asleep at the wheel from waking up as a result of our rights being shaved away. In other words, they may be prolonging the status quo rather than working effectively against it.
To me, it harkens back to the statement that "America is at that awkward stage where it's too late to stop them, but it's still too early to shoot the bastards". Oathkeeprs is a direct reflection of that reality. I'm thankful for them.
Evolution of an idea. One possible scenario; Issue arises, person gets an idea, idea sits on back burner, another issue arises which spurs the idea into action. Not saying this is what happened in this case but since neither of us are involve with this group how do we know? It's called giving the benefit of the doubt without having all the facts, you know, being fair, open minded and not jumping to conclusions.
since there is no need for this group they do not get the benefit of the doubt, this group was formed because of the lunatic fringe fantasies put forth by the nutty part of the right wing that see's fema building concentration camps and other such nonsense.
And you know this for a fact?
oathkeepers is a radical anti American group that i am willing to bet quite a few unknowing people have joined, plus the whole idea of this group is stupid, if you take an oath you should not have to join a group stating that you will live up to that oath as that is already implied by the taking of the oath in the first place.
I think the whole purpose is to make a point more than anything else. Patriotic law enforcement officers who are standing up in front of government officials and citizens and affirming that they won't follow orders that are unconstitutional, such as the disarming of lawful, law abigding gun owners after hurricane Katrina.
Tha value in their organization is that if we ever had a political leadership who tried to bypass our rights, upstanding and faithful law enforcement officials would refuse to act against us.
Of course, the organization could be used against us as well, if you look at it from a historic perspective. If there had been a contingent of redcoats who had taken a similar approach back in the 1700's, the long list of abuses may have never arisen, therefore we would have never fought for independence. Likewise, if Oathkeepers prevents our current corporate leadership from eliminating or subverting our Constitutional rights, they may have a net effect of preventing Americans who are asleep at the wheel from waking up as a result of our rights being shaved away. In other words, they may be prolonging the status quo rather than working effectively against it.
To me, it harkens back to the statement that "America is at that awkward stage where it's too late to stop them, but it's still too early to shoot the bastards". Oathkeeprs is a direct reflection of that reality. I'm thankful for them.
since there is no need for this group they do not get the benefit of the doubt, this group was formed because of the lunatic fringe fantasies put forth by the nutty part of the right wing that see's fema building concentration camps and other such nonsense.
And you know this for a fact?
do you have evidence to the contrary?
Oath Keepers, the military and police organization that was formed earlier this year and held its April muster on Lexington Green, may be a particularly worrisome example of the Patriot revival.
particularly worrisome example of the Patriot revival.
particularly worrisome example of the Patriot revival.
particularly worrisome example of the Patriot revival.
SPLCenter.org: SPLC Report: Return of the Militias
With the Oath keepers or the souther poverty law center
Oath Keepers, the military and police organization that was formed earlier this year and held its April muster on Lexington Green, may be a particularly worrisome example of the Patriot revival. Members vow to fulfill the oaths to the Constitution that they swore while in the military or law enforcement. "Our oath is to the Constitution, not to the politicians, and we will not obey unconstitutional (and thus illegal) and immoral orders," the group says. Oath Keepers lists 10 orders its members won't obey, including two that reference U.S. concentration camps.
oathkeepers is a radical anti American group that i am willing to bet quite a few unknowing people have joined, plus the whole idea of this group is stupid, if you take an oath you should not have to join a group stating that you will live up to that oath as that is already implied by the taking of the oath in the first place.
And you know this for a fact?
do you have evidence to the contrary?
Asked you first, besides if you actually read my posts you would see I already said I didn't know but was being fair and open minded because I didn't have all the facts. That I wasn't jumping to conclusions based on any biased, partisan (or other) paradigms. The real question here is can you say the same about yourself? The evidence so far says no.
Oath Keepers, the military and police organization that was formed earlier this year and held its April muster on Lexington Green, may be a particularly worrisome example of the Patriot revival.
particularly worrisome example of the Patriot revival.
particularly worrisome example of the Patriot revival.
particularly worrisome example of the Patriot revival.
SPLCenter.org: SPLC Report: Return of the Militias
With the Oath keepers or the souther poverty law center
Oath Keepers, the military and police organization that was formed earlier this year and held its April muster on Lexington Green, may be a particularly worrisome example of the Patriot revival. Members vow to fulfill the oaths to the Constitution that they swore while in the military or law enforcement. "Our oath is to the Constitution, not to the politicians, and we will not obey unconstitutional (and thus illegal) and immoral orders," the group says. Oath Keepers lists 10 orders its members won't obey, including two that reference U.S. concentration camps.
oathkeepers is a radical anti American group that i am willing to bet quite a few unknowing people have joined, plus the whole idea of this group is stupid, if you take an oath you should not have to join a group stating that you will live up to that oath as that is already implied by the taking of the oath in the first place.
Anti American? Now I know for a fact you are stupid!
1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.
2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people
3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as unlawful enemy combatants or to subject them to military tribunal.
4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a state of emergency on a state.
5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.
6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.
7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.
8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to keep the peace or to maintain control."
9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.
10.We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.
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You're joking, right? Is that how you're trying to spin this? As some kind of domestic terror front? Well, I've stated before that Obama is even worse than Bush and he'll stop at nothing to eliminate our rights.where were they when the patriot act was enacted? how many of these law enforcement officials who have joined this group have already used aspects of the patriot act during bush's presidency? this group is just another militia type anti American right wing group that is angry that their political side has been defeated in recent elections, the serious ones are potential timothy mcveigh's, mcveigh had the same mindset during the last Democratic party led administration.
where were they when the patriot act was enacted? how many of these law enforcement officials who have joined this group have already used aspects of the patriot act during bush's presidency? this group is just another militia type anti American right wing group that is angry that their political side has been defeated in recent elections, the serious ones are potential timothy mcveigh's, mcveigh had the same mindset during the last Democratic party led administration.
You're joking, right? Is that how you're trying to spin this? As some kind of domestic terror front? Well, I've stated before that Obama is even worse than Bush and he'll stop at nothing to eliminate our rights.
you have stated, enough said, you fall in the same category as this anti American group, your loyalty is to political ideology and not the nation.
Are you helping to set the stage so that a domestic attack can be blamed on loyal patriots, in order to prevent them from opening the eyes of the nation to the corporate controlle GOP/Dem usurpation of our government?
no, you are the one cheering on potential mcveighs
Sorry pal, but your hatred towards this nation and the protection of liberty is becoming obvious. You claim that Oath keepers is in response to Obama being elected?
the only haters of this nation here are you and those who cheer on these radical anti American groups
If you look on Youtube, many of the original post dates of video's have been updated so they look like they were in 2009, but if you go to the following video, the date is Jan 1, 2008. How is that possible if Oath keepers is in response to Obama and the dems? I'll tell you how: It's NOT possible. For what it's worth, I've been following Oath Keepers for over a year now.
Democrats controlled the congress in 2008 and it was pretty evident that after so many years of bush that change was coming
You're spreading a lie because you (or someone you parrot) doesn't like the fact that law enforcement is standing up to federal takeover of local authority. Here's the video, followed by another video of sheriff Mack (Oath Keepers founder) back in 2006:
horseshit, this group is a radical anti government group with a very stupid name, when you take an oath you do so with the mindset of keeping it, no need to join a group that supposedly reminds you to do so.
That's not something liberals in power will be too happy with!
oathkeepers is a radical anti American group that i am willing to bet quite a few unknowing people have joined, plus the whole idea of this group is stupid, if you take an oath you should not have to join a group stating that you will live up to that oath as that is already implied by the taking of the oath in the first place.
Anti American? Now I know for a fact you are stupid!
1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.
2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people
3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as unlawful enemy combatants or to subject them to military tribunal.
4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a state of emergency on a state.
5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.
6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.
7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.
8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to keep the peace or to maintain control."
9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.
10.We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.
Click here for the full length version.
yes anti American cloaking themselves with the above, where were they when bush put forth the patriot act? why have they all of a sudden popped up now after 8 years of bush putting forth constitutionally questionable acts? how many of these military and police members of this group have already acted upon constitutionally questionable action put forth by bush? like law enforcement types using the patriot act? they are a crock, they just oppose the duly elected government of the U.S. because their side was voted out by the American people.
Anti American? Now I know for a fact you are stupid!
1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.
2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people
3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as unlawful enemy combatants or to subject them to military tribunal.
4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a state of emergency on a state.
5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.
6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.
7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.
8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to keep the peace or to maintain control."
9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.
10.We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.
Click here for the full length version.
yes anti American cloaking themselves with the above, where were they when bush put forth the patriot act? why have they all of a sudden popped up now after 8 years of bush putting forth constitutionally questionable acts? how many of these military and police members of this group have already acted upon constitutionally questionable action put forth by bush? like law enforcement types using the patriot act? they are a crock, they just oppose the duly elected government of the U.S. because their side was voted out by the American people.
So the only evidence you have to support your claim they're anti-American is that they didn't throw a fit over the Patriot Act? In other words, it's just your opinion that they are anti-American, you don't actually have any substantial evidence to support your claim.
Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, veterans, Peace Officers, and Fire Fighters who will fulfill the Oath we swore, with the support of like minded citizens who take an Oath to stand with us, to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God. Our Oath is to the Constitution
