Which of my fellow dems loves Frank Rich?

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ProudDem

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Here is his article today. I love the way he writes. He points out facts that people have forgotten about. :) I have highlighted some interesting points (interesting in my eyes).

September 18, 2005
Message: I Care About the Black Folks
By FRANK RICH

ONCE Toto parts the curtain, the Wizard of Oz can never be the wizard again. He is forever Professor Marvel, blowhard and snake-oil salesman. Hurricane Katrina, which is likely to endure in the American psyche as long as L. Frank Baum's mythic tornado, has similarly unmasked George W. Bush.

The worst storm in our history proved perfect for exposing this president because in one big blast it illuminated all his failings: the rampant cronyism, the empty sloganeering of "compassionate conservatism," the lack of concern for the "underprivileged" his mother condescended to at the Astrodome, the reckless lack of planning for all government operations except tax cuts, the use of spin and photo-ops to camouflage failure and to substitute for action.

In the chaos unleashed by Katrina, these plot strands coalesced into a single tragic epic played out in real time on television. The narrative is just too powerful to be undone now by the administration's desperate recycling of its greatest hits: a return Sunshine Boys tour by the surrogate empathizers Clinton and Bush I, another round of prayers at the Washington National Cathedral, another ludicrously overhyped prime-time address flecked with speechwriters' "poetry" and framed by a picturesque backdrop. Reruns never eclipse a riveting new show.

Nor can the president's acceptance of "responsibility" for the disaster dislodge what came before. Mr. Bush didn't cough up his modified-limited mea culpa until he'd seen his whole administration flash before his eyes. His admission that some of the buck may stop with him (about a dime's worth, in Truman dollars) came two weeks after the levees burst and five years after he promised to usher in a new post-Clinton "culture of responsibility." It came only after the plan to heap all the blame on the indeed blameworthy local Democrats failed to lift Mr. Bush's own record-low poll numbers. It came only after America's highest-rated TV news anchor, Brian Williams, started talking about Katrina the way Walter Cronkite once did about Vietnam.

Taking responsibility, as opposed to paying lip service to doing so, is not in this administration's gene pool. It was particularly shameful that Laura Bush was sent among the storm's dispossessed to try to scapegoat the news media for her husband's ineptitude. When she complained of seeing "a lot of the same footage over and over that isn't necessarily representative of what really happened," the first lady sounded just like Donald Rumsfeld shirking responsibility for the looting of Baghdad. The defense secretary, too, griped about seeing the same picture "over and over" on television (a looter with a vase) to hide the reality that the Pentagon had no plan to secure Iraq, a catastrophic failure being paid for in Iraqi and American blood to this day.

This White House doesn't hate all pictures, of course. It loves those by Karl Rove's Imagineers, from the spectacularly lighted Statue of Liberty backdrop of Mr. Bush's first 9/11 anniversary speech to his "Top Gun" stunt to Thursday's laughably stagy stride across the lawn to his lectern in Jackson Square. (Message: I am a leader, not that vacationing slacker who first surveyed the hurricane damage from my presidential jet.)

The most odious image-mongering, however, has been Mr. Bush's repeated deployment of African-Americans as dress extras to advertise his "compassion." In 2000, the Republican convention filled the stage with break dancers and gospel singers, trying to dispel the memory of Mr. Bush's craven appearance at Bob Jones University when it forbade interracial dating. (The few blacks in the convention hall itself were positioned near celebrities so they'd show up in TV shots.) In 2004, the Bush-Cheney campaign Web site had a page titled "Compassion" devoted mainly to photos of the president with black people, Colin Powell included.

Some of these poses are re-enacted in the "Hurricane Relief" photo gallery currently on display on the White House Web site. But this time the old magic isn't working. The "compassion" photos are outweighed by the cinéma vérité of poor people screaming for their lives. The government effort to keep body recovery efforts in New Orleans as invisible as the coffins from Iraq was abandoned when challenged in court by CNN.

But even now the administration's priority of image over substance is embedded like a cancer in the Katrina relief process. Brazenly enough, Mr. Rove has been officially put in charge of the reconstruction effort. The two top deputies at FEMA remaining after Michael Brown's departure, one of them a former local TV newsman, are not disaster relief specialists but experts in P.R., which they'd practiced as advance men for various Bush campaigns. Thus The Salt Lake Tribune discovered a week after the hurricane that some 1,000 firefighters from Utah and elsewhere were sent not to the Gulf Coast but to Atlanta, to be trained as "community relations officers for FEMA" rather than used as emergency workers to rescue the dying in New Orleans. When 50 of them were finally dispatched to Louisiana, the paper reported, their first assignment was "to stand beside President Bush" as he toured devastated areas.

The cashiering of "Brownie," whom Mr. Bush now purports to know as little as he did "Kenny Boy," changes nothing. The Knight Ridder newspapers found last week that it was the homeland security secretary, Michael Chertoff, not Mr. Brown, who had the greater authority to order federal agencies into service without any request from state or local officials. Mr. Chertoff waited a crucial, unexplained 36 hours before declaring Katrina an "incident of national significance," the trigger needed for federal action. Like Mr. Brown, he was oblivious to the humanitarian disaster unfolding in the convention center, confessing his ignorance of conditions there to NPR on the same day that the FEMA chief famously did so to Ted Koppel. Yet Mr. Bush's "culture of responsibility" does not hold Mr. Chertoff accountable. Quite the contrary: on Thursday the president charged Homeland Security with reviewing "emergency plans in every major city in America." Mr. Chertoff will surely do a heck of a job.

WHEN there's money on the line, cronies always come first in this White House, no matter how great the human suffering. After Katrina, the FEMA Web site directing charitable contributions prominently listed Operation Blessing, a Pat Robertson kitty that, according to I.R.S. documents obtained by ABC News, has given more than half of its yearly cash donations to Mr. Robertson's Christian Broadcasting Network. If FEMA is that cavalier about charitable donations, imagine what it's doing with the $62 billion (so far) of taxpayers' money sent its way for Katrina relief. Actually, you don't have to imagine: we already know some of it was immediately siphoned into no-bid contracts with a major Republican donor, the Fluor Corporation, as well as with a client of the consultant Joe Allbaugh, the Bush 2000 campaign manager who ran FEMA for this White House until Brownie, Mr. Allbaugh's college roommate, was installed in his place.

It was back in 2000 that Mr. Bush, in a debate with Al Gore, bragged about his gubernatorial prowess "on the front line of catastrophic situations," specifically citing a Texas flood, and paid the Clinton administration a rare compliment for putting a professional as effective as James Lee Witt in charge of FEMA. Exactly why Mr. Bush would staff that same agency months later with political hacks is one of many questions that must be answered by the independent investigation he and the Congressional majority are trying every which way to avoid. With or without a 9/11-style commission, the answers will come out. There are too many Americans who are angry and too many reporters who are on the case. (NBC and CNN are both opening full-time bureaus in New Orleans.) You know the world has changed when the widely despised news media have a far higher approval rating (77 percent) than the president (46 percent), as measured last week in a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll.

Like his father before him, Mr. Bush has squandered the huge store of political capital he won in a war. His Thursday-night invocation of "armies of compassion" will prove as worthless as the "thousand points of light" that the first President Bush bestowed upon the poor from on high in New Orleans (at the Superdome, during the 1988 G.O.P. convention). It will be up to other Republicans in Washington to cut through the empty words and image-mongering to demand effective action from Mr. Bush on the Gulf Coast and in Iraq, if only because their own political lives are at stake. It's up to Democrats, though they show scant signs of realizing it, to step into the vacuum and propose an alternative to a fiscally disastrous conservatism that prizes pork over compassion. If the era of Great Society big government is over, the era of big government for special interests is proving a fiasco. Especially when it's presided over by a self-styled C.E.O. with a consistent three-decade record of running private and public enterprises alike into a ditch.

What comes next? Having turned the page on Mr. Bush, the country hungers for a vision that is something other than either liberal boilerplate or Rovian stagecraft. At this point, merely plain old competence, integrity and heart might do.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/18/opinion/18rich.html?hp
 
ProudDem said:
Here is his article today. I love the way he writes. He points out facts that people have forgotten about. :) I have highlighted some interesting points (interesting in my eyes).

September 18, 2005
Message: I Care About the Black Folks
By FRANK RICH

ONCE Toto parts the curtain, the Wizard of Oz can never be the wizard again. He is forever Professor Marvel, blowhard and snake-oil salesman. Hurricane Katrina, which is likely to endure in the American psyche as long as L. Frank Baum's mythic tornado, has similarly unmasked George W. Bush.

The worst storm in our history proved perfect for exposing this president because in one big blast it illuminated all his failings: the rampant cronyism, the empty sloganeering of "compassionate conservatism," the lack of concern for the "underprivileged" his mother condescended to at the Astrodome, the reckless lack of planning for all government operations except tax cuts, the use of spin and photo-ops to camouflage failure and to substitute for action.

In the chaos unleashed by Katrina, these plot strands coalesced into a single tragic epic played out in real time on television. The narrative is just too powerful to be undone now by the administration's desperate recycling of its greatest hits: a return Sunshine Boys tour by the surrogate empathizers Clinton and Bush I, another round of prayers at the Washington National Cathedral, another ludicrously overhyped prime-time address flecked with speechwriters' "poetry" and framed by a picturesque backdrop. Reruns never eclipse a riveting new show.

Nor can the president's acceptance of "responsibility" for the disaster dislodge what came before. Mr. Bush didn't cough up his modified-limited mea culpa until he'd seen his whole administration flash before his eyes. His admission that some of the buck may stop with him (about a dime's worth, in Truman dollars) came two weeks after the levees burst and five years after he promised to usher in a new post-Clinton "culture of responsibility." It came only after the plan to heap all the blame on the indeed blameworthy local Democrats failed to lift Mr. Bush's own record-low poll numbers. It came only after America's highest-rated TV news anchor, Brian Williams, started talking about Katrina the way Walter Cronkite once did about Vietnam.

Taking responsibility, as opposed to paying lip service to doing so, is not in this administration's gene pool. It was particularly shameful that Laura Bush was sent among the storm's dispossessed to try to scapegoat the news media for her husband's ineptitude. When she complained of seeing "a lot of the same footage over and over that isn't necessarily representative of what really happened," the first lady sounded just like Donald Rumsfeld shirking responsibility for the looting of Baghdad. The defense secretary, too, griped about seeing the same picture "over and over" on television (a looter with a vase) to hide the reality that the Pentagon had no plan to secure Iraq, a catastrophic failure being paid for in Iraqi and American blood to this day.

This White House doesn't hate all pictures, of course. It loves those by Karl Rove's Imagineers, from the spectacularly lighted Statue of Liberty backdrop of Mr. Bush's first 9/11 anniversary speech to his "Top Gun" stunt to Thursday's laughably stagy stride across the lawn to his lectern in Jackson Square. (Message: I am a leader, not that vacationing slacker who first surveyed the hurricane damage from my presidential jet.)

The most odious image-mongering, however, has been Mr. Bush's repeated deployment of African-Americans as dress extras to advertise his "compassion." In 2000, the Republican convention filled the stage with break dancers and gospel singers, trying to dispel the memory of Mr. Bush's craven appearance at Bob Jones University when it forbade interracial dating. (The few blacks in the convention hall itself were positioned near celebrities so they'd show up in TV shots.) In 2004, the Bush-Cheney campaign Web site had a page titled "Compassion" devoted mainly to photos of the president with black people, Colin Powell included.

Some of these poses are re-enacted in the "Hurricane Relief" photo gallery currently on display on the White House Web site. But this time the old magic isn't working. The "compassion" photos are outweighed by the cinéma vérité of poor people screaming for their lives. The government effort to keep body recovery efforts in New Orleans as invisible as the coffins from Iraq was abandoned when challenged in court by CNN.

But even now the administration's priority of image over substance is embedded like a cancer in the Katrina relief process. Brazenly enough, Mr. Rove has been officially put in charge of the reconstruction effort. The two top deputies at FEMA remaining after Michael Brown's departure, one of them a former local TV newsman, are not disaster relief specialists but experts in P.R., which they'd practiced as advance men for various Bush campaigns. Thus The Salt Lake Tribune discovered a week after the hurricane that some 1,000 firefighters from Utah and elsewhere were sent not to the Gulf Coast but to Atlanta, to be trained as "community relations officers for FEMA" rather than used as emergency workers to rescue the dying in New Orleans. When 50 of them were finally dispatched to Louisiana, the paper reported, their first assignment was "to stand beside President Bush" as he toured devastated areas.

The cashiering of "Brownie," whom Mr. Bush now purports to know as little as he did "Kenny Boy," changes nothing. The Knight Ridder newspapers found last week that it was the homeland security secretary, Michael Chertoff, not Mr. Brown, who had the greater authority to order federal agencies into service without any request from state or local officials. Mr. Chertoff waited a crucial, unexplained 36 hours before declaring Katrina an "incident of national significance," the trigger needed for federal action. Like Mr. Brown, he was oblivious to the humanitarian disaster unfolding in the convention center, confessing his ignorance of conditions there to NPR on the same day that the FEMA chief famously did so to Ted Koppel. Yet Mr. Bush's "culture of responsibility" does not hold Mr. Chertoff accountable. Quite the contrary: on Thursday the president charged Homeland Security with reviewing "emergency plans in every major city in America." Mr. Chertoff will surely do a heck of a job.

WHEN there's money on the line, cronies always come first in this White House, no matter how great the human suffering. After Katrina, the FEMA Web site directing charitable contributions prominently listed Operation Blessing, a Pat Robertson kitty that, according to I.R.S. documents obtained by ABC News, has given more than half of its yearly cash donations to Mr. Robertson's Christian Broadcasting Network. If FEMA is that cavalier about charitable donations, imagine what it's doing with the $62 billion (so far) of taxpayers' money sent its way for Katrina relief. Actually, you don't have to imagine: we already know some of it was immediately siphoned into no-bid contracts with a major Republican donor, the Fluor Corporation, as well as with a client of the consultant Joe Allbaugh, the Bush 2000 campaign manager who ran FEMA for this White House until Brownie, Mr. Allbaugh's college roommate, was installed in his place.

It was back in 2000 that Mr. Bush, in a debate with Al Gore, bragged about his gubernatorial prowess "on the front line of catastrophic situations," specifically citing a Texas flood, and paid the Clinton administration a rare compliment for putting a professional as effective as James Lee Witt in charge of FEMA. Exactly why Mr. Bush would staff that same agency months later with political hacks is one of many questions that must be answered by the independent investigation he and the Congressional majority are trying every which way to avoid. With or without a 9/11-style commission, the answers will come out. There are too many Americans who are angry and too many reporters who are on the case. (NBC and CNN are both opening full-time bureaus in New Orleans.) You know the world has changed when the widely despised news media have a far higher approval rating (77 percent) than the president (46 percent), as measured last week in a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll.

Like his father before him, Mr. Bush has squandered the huge store of political capital he won in a war. His Thursday-night invocation of "armies of compassion" will prove as worthless as the "thousand points of light" that the first President Bush bestowed upon the poor from on high in New Orleans (at the Superdome, during the 1988 G.O.P. convention). It will be up to other Republicans in Washington to cut through the empty words and image-mongering to demand effective action from Mr. Bush on the Gulf Coast and in Iraq, if only because their own political lives are at stake. It's up to Democrats, though they show scant signs of realizing it, to step into the vacuum and propose an alternative to a fiscally disastrous conservatism that prizes pork over compassion. If the era of Great Society big government is over, the era of big government for special interests is proving a fiasco. Especially when it's presided over by a self-styled C.E.O. with a consistent three-decade record of running private and public enterprises alike into a ditch.

What comes next? Having turned the page on Mr. Bush, the country hungers for a vision that is something other than either liberal boilerplate or Rovian stagecraft. At this point, merely plain old competence, integrity and heart might do.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/18/opinion/18rich.html?hp

Well, he did get the part about Katrina being a hurricane right ...... :thewave:

:rolleyes:
 
ProudDem said:
Here is his article today. I love the way he writes. He points out facts that people have forgotten about. :) I have highlighted some interesting points (interesting in my eyes).

September 18, 2005
Message: I Care About the Black Folks
By FRANK RICH

ONCE Toto parts the curtain, the Wizard of Oz can never be the wizard again. He is forever Professor Marvel, blowhard and snake-oil salesman. Hurricane Katrina, which is likely to endure in the American psyche as long as L. Frank Baum's mythic tornado, has similarly unmasked George W. Bush.

The worst storm in our history proved perfect for exposing this president because in one big blast it illuminated all his failings: the rampant cronyism, the empty sloganeering of "compassionate conservatism," the lack of concern for the "underprivileged" his mother condescended to at the Astrodome, the reckless lack of planning for all government operations except tax cuts, the use of spin and photo-ops to camouflage failure and to substitute for action.

In the chaos unleashed by Katrina, these plot strands coalesced into a single tragic epic played out in real time on television. The narrative is just too powerful to be undone now by the administration's desperate recycling of its greatest hits: a return Sunshine Boys tour by the surrogate empathizers Clinton and Bush I, another round of prayers at the Washington National Cathedral, another ludicrously overhyped prime-time address flecked with speechwriters' "poetry" and framed by a picturesque backdrop. Reruns never eclipse a riveting new show.

Nor can the president's acceptance of "responsibility" for the disaster dislodge what came before. Mr. Bush didn't cough up his modified-limited mea culpa until he'd seen his whole administration flash before his eyes. His admission that some of the buck may stop with him (about a dime's worth, in Truman dollars) came two weeks after the levees burst and five years after he promised to usher in a new post-Clinton "culture of responsibility." It came only after the plan to heap all the blame on the indeed blameworthy local Democrats failed to lift Mr. Bush's own record-low poll numbers. It came only after America's highest-rated TV news anchor, Brian Williams, started talking about Katrina the way Walter Cronkite once did about Vietnam.

Taking responsibility, as opposed to paying lip service to doing so, is not in this administration's gene pool. It was particularly shameful that Laura Bush was sent among the storm's dispossessed to try to scapegoat the news media for her husband's ineptitude. When she complained of seeing "a lot of the same footage over and over that isn't necessarily representative of what really happened," the first lady sounded just like Donald Rumsfeld shirking responsibility for the looting of Baghdad. The defense secretary, too, griped about seeing the same picture "over and over" on television (a looter with a vase) to hide the reality that the Pentagon had no plan to secure Iraq, a catastrophic failure being paid for in Iraqi and American blood to this day.

This White House doesn't hate all pictures, of course. It loves those by Karl Rove's Imagineers, from the spectacularly lighted Statue of Liberty backdrop of Mr. Bush's first 9/11 anniversary speech to his "Top Gun" stunt to Thursday's laughably stagy stride across the lawn to his lectern in Jackson Square. (Message: I am a leader, not that vacationing slacker who first surveyed the hurricane damage from my presidential jet.)

The most odious image-mongering, however, has been Mr. Bush's repeated deployment of African-Americans as dress extras to advertise his "compassion." In 2000, the Republican convention filled the stage with break dancers and gospel singers, trying to dispel the memory of Mr. Bush's craven appearance at Bob Jones University when it forbade interracial dating. (The few blacks in the convention hall itself were positioned near celebrities so they'd show up in TV shots.) In 2004, the Bush-Cheney campaign Web site had a page titled "Compassion" devoted mainly to photos of the president with black people, Colin Powell included.

Some of these poses are re-enacted in the "Hurricane Relief" photo gallery currently on display on the White House Web site. But this time the old magic isn't working. The "compassion" photos are outweighed by the cinéma vérité of poor people screaming for their lives. The government effort to keep body recovery efforts in New Orleans as invisible as the coffins from Iraq was abandoned when challenged in court by CNN.

But even now the administration's priority of image over substance is embedded like a cancer in the Katrina relief process. Brazenly enough, Mr. Rove has been officially put in charge of the reconstruction effort. The two top deputies at FEMA remaining after Michael Brown's departure, one of them a former local TV newsman, are not disaster relief specialists but experts in P.R., which they'd practiced as advance men for various Bush campaigns. Thus The Salt Lake Tribune discovered a week after the hurricane that some 1,000 firefighters from Utah and elsewhere were sent not to the Gulf Coast but to Atlanta, to be trained as "community relations officers for FEMA" rather than used as emergency workers to rescue the dying in New Orleans. When 50 of them were finally dispatched to Louisiana, the paper reported, their first assignment was "to stand beside President Bush" as he toured devastated areas.

The cashiering of "Brownie," whom Mr. Bush now purports to know as little as he did "Kenny Boy," changes nothing. The Knight Ridder newspapers found last week that it was the homeland security secretary, Michael Chertoff, not Mr. Brown, who had the greater authority to order federal agencies into service without any request from state or local officials. Mr. Chertoff waited a crucial, unexplained 36 hours before declaring Katrina an "incident of national significance," the trigger needed for federal action. Like Mr. Brown, he was oblivious to the humanitarian disaster unfolding in the convention center, confessing his ignorance of conditions there to NPR on the same day that the FEMA chief famously did so to Ted Koppel. Yet Mr. Bush's "culture of responsibility" does not hold Mr. Chertoff accountable. Quite the contrary: on Thursday the president charged Homeland Security with reviewing "emergency plans in every major city in America." Mr. Chertoff will surely do a heck of a job.

WHEN there's money on the line, cronies always come first in this White House, no matter how great the human suffering. After Katrina, the FEMA Web site directing charitable contributions prominently listed Operation Blessing, a Pat Robertson kitty that, according to I.R.S. documents obtained by ABC News, has given more than half of its yearly cash donations to Mr. Robertson's Christian Broadcasting Network. If FEMA is that cavalier about charitable donations, imagine what it's doing with the $62 billion (so far) of taxpayers' money sent its way for Katrina relief. Actually, you don't have to imagine: we already know some of it was immediately siphoned into no-bid contracts with a major Republican donor, the Fluor Corporation, as well as with a client of the consultant Joe Allbaugh, the Bush 2000 campaign manager who ran FEMA for this White House until Brownie, Mr. Allbaugh's college roommate, was installed in his place.

It was back in 2000 that Mr. Bush, in a debate with Al Gore, bragged about his gubernatorial prowess "on the front line of catastrophic situations," specifically citing a Texas flood, and paid the Clinton administration a rare compliment for putting a professional as effective as James Lee Witt in charge of FEMA. Exactly why Mr. Bush would staff that same agency months later with political hacks is one of many questions that must be answered by the independent investigation he and the Congressional majority are trying every which way to avoid. With or without a 9/11-style commission, the answers will come out. There are too many Americans who are angry and too many reporters who are on the case. (NBC and CNN are both opening full-time bureaus in New Orleans.) You know the world has changed when the widely despised news media have a far higher approval rating (77 percent) than the president (46 percent), as measured last week in a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll.

Like his father before him, Mr. Bush has squandered the huge store of political capital he won in a war. His Thursday-night invocation of "armies of compassion" will prove as worthless as the "thousand points of light" that the first President Bush bestowed upon the poor from on high in New Orleans (at the Superdome, during the 1988 G.O.P. convention). It will be up to other Republicans in Washington to cut through the empty words and image-mongering to demand effective action from Mr. Bush on the Gulf Coast and in Iraq, if only because their own political lives are at stake. It's up to Democrats, though they show scant signs of realizing it, to step into the vacuum and propose an alternative to a fiscally disastrous conservatism that prizes pork over compassion. If the era of Great Society big government is over, the era of big government for special interests is proving a fiasco. Especially when it's presided over by a self-styled C.E.O. with a consistent three-decade record of running private and public enterprises alike into a ditch.

What comes next? Having turned the page on Mr. Bush, the country hungers for a vision that is something other than either liberal boilerplate or Rovian stagecraft. At this point, merely plain old competence, integrity and heart might do.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/18/opinion/18rich.html?hp
Was leaving out the Shaw group intentional or merely an accidental oversight?
How about Lames Lee Witt?
 
ProudDem,

Since the majority of polls seem to show that most Americans place heavier amounts of blame on the local and state authorities than on Bush...don't you think that the Democrats are, as usual, squandering an opportunity to actually come out and DO something for once...rather than proving that all they seem to be interested in is talking about how evil and stupid they think Bush is?

Don't get me wrong...I am not saying that Bush doesn't have things to answer for...what I am saying is that once again the Democrats have two choices:

1) State that Bush's choices regarding his FEMA director were tragic and people died because of it...and that the Democratic Party makes these proposals: (list the well-thoughout, meaningful, POSSIBLE ideas that the Dems have come up with for addressing the problems that this disaster revealed) and we hope that the President will reach across the aisle and work with us, not against us, as we strive to rebuild New Orleans, the Gulf Coast, and start to deal with the problems Katrina has revealed still exist in this nation: racism, poverty...that this Administration has not dealt with thus far (see...even though I added in a big bust on the administration...I still stated that the Dems had ides that would work...and would be willing to work with the President to do it.)

or

2) Bush is an idiot. He is a criminal. Bush hates black people. This is entirely Bush's fault. If you criticize the local or state government I will punch you in the face.


As usual, Democrats continue to chose #2. They have spoke publically about exactly ZERO ideas on how to do things better...but they never fail to come out to publically say something idiotic and useless about how everything under the sun is Bush's fault.


This is my major gripe with Democrats in general during Bush's Administration. They are all too willing to say something inflammatory and unprofessional (I'm sorry...but a US Senator saying she will punch people for exercising their freedom of speech is unprofessional...she has every right to say it...but it is unprofessional) about the President of the United States...but when it comes to addressing how they would do it differently...mums the word.
 
rtwngAvngr said:
They're desperately overreaching on this one. That's my concern.

It's the SOS, and GEM is right ... again. Must be the Wheaties this morning.

The Dems don't want to fix a thing, nor accept the fact that two of their own screwed up royally. They just want to twist the facts to sling mud at Bush.

Downright stupid.
 
It's up to Democrats, though they show scant signs of realizing it, to step into the vacuum and propose an alternative to a fiscally disastrous conservatism that prizes pork over compassion.

WELL??? lets see it---who do YOU think these contracts should be going too?
 
Gem said:
ProudDem,

Since the majority of polls seem to show that most Americans place heavier amounts of blame on the local and state authorities than on Bush...don't you think that the Democrats are, as usual, squandering an opportunity to actually come out and DO something for once...rather than proving that all they seem to be interested in is talking about how evil and stupid they think Bush is?

Don't get me wrong...I am not saying that Bush doesn't have things to answer for...what I am saying is that once again the Democrats have two choices:

1) State that Bush's choices regarding his FEMA director were tragic and people died because of it...and that the Democratic Party makes these proposals: (list the well-thoughout, meaningful, POSSIBLE ideas that the Dems have come up with for addressing the problems that this disaster revealed) and we hope that the President will reach across the aisle and work with us, not against us, as we strive to rebuild New Orleans, the Gulf Coast, and start to deal with the problems Katrina has revealed still exist in this nation: racism, poverty...that this Administration has not dealt with thus far (see...even though I added in a big bust on the administration...I still stated that the Dems had ides that would work...and would be willing to work with the President to do it.)

or

2) Bush is an idiot. He is a criminal. Bush hates black people. This is entirely Bush's fault. If you criticize the local or state government I will punch you in the face.


As usual, Democrats continue to chose #2. They have spoke publically about exactly ZERO ideas on how to do things better...but they never fail to come out to publically say something idiotic and useless about how everything under the sun is Bush's fault.


This is my major gripe with Democrats in general during Bush's Administration. They are all too willing to say something inflammatory and unprofessional (I'm sorry...but a US Senator saying she will punch people for exercising their freedom of speech is unprofessional...she has every right to say it...but it is unprofessional) about the President of the United States...but when it comes to addressing how they would do it differently...mums the word.

I understand your gripe. I have been so disappointed in the democrats's behavior for quite some time. I think bashing Bush's reaction to the hurricane should be left to people like Frank Rich. He's not a politician trying to gain points. I do think that it would behoove democrats if they looked for ways to help in the aftermath, including not trashing Bush.

While Bush nominated Brown for FEMA, apparently, his confirmation hearing lasted less than an hour (I believe it was something like 40 minutes). Why weren't the democrats asking questions about his experience, since he clearly had very little experience to head FEMA? Thus, Bush is not solely at fault. It is up to the Senate to probe the nominee to see if that person is qualified for the job. Regardless, that's now a thing of the past.

Gem, I don't think 2 wrongs make a right, but I remember well how much bashing the republicans did when Clinton was in office. Yeah, he screwed up with the Monica Lewinsky scandal, but the republicans were relentless. The democrats's current behavior isn't any worse or better.

I forget which US Senator made that statement. Oh, was it Landreu (no idea how to spell her name). Totally unprofessional. Talk about how something devastates you--not how you're going hurt someone.

I forget which one of you said that the facts were incorrect or skewed. Can you tell me which facts you are addressing?
 
I care about all folks.

Take that Frank Rich. Whoever the heck you are. You shouldn't be so racist.
 
Avatar4321 said:
I care about all folks.

Take that Frank Rich. Whoever the heck you are. You shouldn't be so racist.

Gawd, I love Frank Rich. He is a brilliant and creative writer.
 
ProudDem Wrote:
The democrats's current behavior isn't any worse or better.

Actually, I'm going to have to disagree with you here (I'm sure youre surprised ;) ).

If the Dems found the behavior of the Clinton bashers so attrocious then the only thing their behavior over the last 5 years shows is that I should NEVER vote Democrat because it is painfully obvious they don't learn from previous mistakes (or worse yet...they'll talk a good game about ethics and morals and decency...but when it looks like scrapping those might win them points politically they are all to eager to do just that).

There are Americans in need who are being left helpless and alone in part because the Democrats in Congress can't stop climbing over eachother for a moment in front of the camera to call Bush an idiot rather than trying to actually help the people they supposedly care about.

I think that the vicious rhetoric we have seen thrown at this President got its start during the Clinton years. I feel that in many ways the Democrats are "getting back" at the Republicans for hounding their President by hounding the Republican's President.

There is so much wrong with doing that I could talk about it for ages...but for now, I will just pick the one area that we are discussing and how it could end up seriously hurting the Dems.

When the Republicans were yelling about Clinton's blowjobs...Americans were not sufferring ways as horriffic and obvious as a hurricane. Americans were not at war like we are now. The average American is starting to think, "Jesus, yeah, the Republicans were all over Clinton's case about the blowjob...but at least people weren't drowning or starving or being blown up while they did it! The Democrats insist on continuing to bash Bush while people are dying rather than trying to work with him or coming up with alternatives! What sick, sleazy politicians!"

Normal people like you and me, ProudDem, would gladly put aside our political differences to work together to help people in need. We would trade political jokes while cleaning up the hurricane zone and afterwards we'd share a glass of wine (or beer, your choice!) and wonder why it has to be so damn hard for the politicians to do this!

When the average uninformed American sees school buses flooded in a parking lot that weren't used to evacuate poor people even though the New Orleans mayor's own evacuation plan included using busses to get people out of harms way...they say, "sure...he should hold some of the blame too..." and then when they here all the politicians on the Democratic side of the spectrum saying "BLAME BUSH!" they are turned off by the crass politics.

The Democrats have a real opportunity to lead here...to make the upcoming elections in the Senate and even the 2008 Presidency a sweep-up for the left...but they are squandering it...and if I were you ProudDem, I'd be pissed about their inability to stop bashing Bush long enough to do what they supposedly do best...help people.
 
Avatar4321 said:
I won't disagree that he is a very good fictional writer.

Avatar, why don't you provide me with what is fictional in that article? I would LOVE to see what you come up with.
 
ProudDem said:
Avatar, why don't you provide me with what is fictional in that article? I would LOVE to see what you come up with.

I would call it extremely biased and using the "wrongdoing exposed frame" in which corruption or injustice is revealed, which is a common frame used by today's editorial writers. I wouldn't call it brilliant or creative, just repetitive.
 
ProudDem said:
Avatar, why don't you provide me with what is fictional in that article? I would LOVE to see what you come up with.

How about trying to shit the blame from Blanco and Nagin to Bush for their incompetent handling of the evacuation? How about blaming the fact the levees broke on the Fed gov't when money was given to LA to repair/upgrade them?

How about "this is the worst storm in history," when clearly it was not.

The problem is, you socialist Americans think Big Brother needs to think for you and coddle you from cradle to grave, and you Bush-hating extremists know now bounds when it comes to trying to deflect blame from your cohorts onto Bush.
 
ProudDem said:
Avatar, why don't you provide me with what is fictional in that article? I would LOVE to see what you come up with.

You are the one who claimed he was a creative writer. I just agreed with you. You are aware that creative writing is a term for for those who write fictional pieces of literature or poetry, don't you?

As for what is fictional, how about the fictional underlying idea that Bush somehow dislikes black people? how about the fiction that Bush is somehow responsible for the lack of response by the local leaders?

How about the fiction that somehow Katrina has spelled the end of the Bush administration? You have no idea what is about to happen do you?
 
GunnyL said:
How about trying to shit the blame from Blanco and Nagin to Bush for their incompetent handling of the evacuation? How about blaming the fact the levees broke on the Fed gov't when money was given to LA to repair/upgrade them?
That is a matter of opinion, Gunny. That doesn't mean your interpretation is wrong, but it also doesn't mean that Rich's interpretation is wrong.

How about "this is the worst storm in history," when clearly it was not.

Okay. Wow, this is a really important fact in the article.

The problem is, you socialist Americans think Big Brother needs to think for you and coddle you from cradle to grave, and you Bush-hating extremists know now bounds when it comes to trying to deflect blame from your cohorts onto Bush.

So you were able to only attack two facts? Hmmmmm.
 
kurtsprincess said:
I would call it extremely biased and using the "wrongdoing exposed frame" in which corruption or injustice is revealed, which is a common frame used by today's editorial writers. I wouldn't call it brilliant or creative, just repetitive.

Well, when I said "creative," I meant that he had a way with words. It is extremely biased, but that's why I love him so much. He points out facts that people have forgotten or some that people don't even know.
 

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