Which killed more people, 2 rifles, or one rental truck?

[Asclepias]

With the intent to kill. Lets not pretend to be mentally handicapped. No one is dumb enough to actually think guns were designed for target practice. At least try to be credible.

Not all people who fire a gun intend to kill. I intend never to kill anyone with any gun I own. I do intend to fire at lots of targets and clay pigeons though

The intent belongs to the person not the gun.

Besides the point. They were designed to kill and a chainsaw wasnt.

The purpose of any tool is decided by the user of that tool.

Nope. The purpose of any tool is decided by the person that invented it.

If I use a wrench to drive a nail its purpose as I use it is to drive nails.
If I use a wrench to crack some guy's head open its purpose at the time of use is to crack a skull open

The purpose of any tool is defined by the user of that tool at the time it is being used

If a person uses a rock as a tool who defines what the purpose is? The maker of the rock or the person using the rock?

I could wipe my ass with aluminum foil and call it toilet paper but we know thats not the reason or purpose for its existence. None of that changes what the inventor of the tool designed it for.

 

[Asclepias]

Meaning you want weapons that have better tools for killing.

No I want to be able to hit a target with accuracy at a distance. BB guns can't do that

A gun fires a projectile that is all it does. That a projectile fired from a gun can kill is a moot point.

Shit you can throw a baseball fast enough to kill someone

No it is not. It is the whole point.

Of course it is because the vast and overwhelming majority of gun owner never kill anyone. A guns is designed to fire a projectile. A chainsaw is designed to remove chunks of material both can be used to kill. It all depends on the choice of the person wielding them

You fail to understand that the target is not the choice of the gun it is the choice of the person pulling the trigger.

You fail to understand guns were designed to kill and chainsaws were designed to cut wood. There is a vast difference.

Did you buy your gun?

Yes all of them.

 

[Asclepias]

Why are weapons like this ever sold to anyone in the first place. These are not weapons for hunting deer or 'possums. These are not weapons for those "law abiding citizens" to protect themselves.

The 2nd amendment is not about hunting deer or possums.

You really should educate yourself about that.

We already have a well regulated militia. So why do civilians need guns?

The militia as defined in the Constitution is comprised of and led by the people not the government

Show me this definition in the constitution.

No words are defined in the Constitution it was the vernacular of the times. Just like "well regulated" meant in good working order or disciplined and did not mean government controlled as we take it to mean today

So why did you claim it was "as defined in the constitution" if it wasnt actually defined?

 

[TNHarley]

The guy in Vegas had two illegal rifles.....versus the other 8,000,000 rifles that law abiding people own and didn't use to commit murder...

He used those rifles to murder 58 people...having passed every single gun control measure the anti-gunners wanted...and would have passed a universal background check as well as registering those guns if it had been required...and if he used 30 round magazines, he could have killed just as many people with 10 round magazines....

58 people...

A muslim terrorist in France, who didn't have to pass any background check used a rental truck to murder 89 people.....And wounded 458....

2016 Nice attack - Wikipedia

So...which killed more people....two rifles, or one rental truck?

Which was harder to get, the two rifles or the rental truck?

We need to make that Bump Stock illegal. Yesterday.

Why? Because .000000000001% of the population might abuse them?
Can we be consistent and apply that to everything? I mean, thats the HONEST thing to do, isnt it?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Not all people who fire a gun intend to kill. I intend never to kill anyone with any gun I own. I do intend to fire at lots of targets and clay pigeons though

The intent belongs to the person not the gun.

Besides the point. They were designed to kill and a chainsaw wasnt.

The purpose of any tool is decided by the user of that tool.

Nope. The purpose of any tool is decided by the person that invented it.

If I use a wrench to drive a nail its purpose as I use it is to drive nails.
If I use a wrench to crack some guy's head open its purpose at the time of use is to crack a skull open

The purpose of any tool is defined by the user of that tool at the time it is being used

If a person uses a rock as a tool who defines what the purpose is? The maker of the rock or the person using the rock?

I could wipe my ass with aluminum foil and call it toilet paper but we know thats not the reason or purpose for its existence. None of that changes what the inventor of the tool designed it for.

It matters not what the inventor intended. The use defines the purpose.

 

[Skull Pilot]

The 2nd amendment is not about hunting deer or possums.

You really should educate yourself about that.

We already have a well regulated militia. So why do civilians need guns?

The militia as defined in the Constitution is comprised of and led by the people not the government

Show me this definition in the constitution.

No words are defined in the Constitution it was the vernacular of the times. Just like "well regulated" meant in good working order or disciplined and did not mean government controlled as we take it to mean today

So why did you claim it was "as defined in the constitution" if it wasnt actually defined?

Forgive me lack of clarity of the statement.

Militia as defined at the time of the writing of the Constitution. Well regulated as defined in the vernacular at the time of the writing of the Constitution etc

 

[Asclepias]

Besides the point. They were designed to kill and a chainsaw wasnt.

The purpose of any tool is decided by the user of that tool.

Nope. The purpose of any tool is decided by the person that invented it.

If I use a wrench to drive a nail its purpose as I use it is to drive nails.
If I use a wrench to crack some guy's head open its purpose at the time of use is to crack a skull open

The purpose of any tool is defined by the user of that tool at the time it is being used

If a person uses a rock as a tool who defines what the purpose is? The maker of the rock or the person using the rock?

I could wipe my ass with aluminum foil and call it toilet paper but we know thats not the reason or purpose for its existence. None of that changes what the inventor of the tool designed it for.

It matters not what the inventor intended. The use defines the purpose.

Nope. The inventor/original designer defines the purpose.

 

[Skull Pilot]

The purpose of any tool is decided by the user of that tool.

Nope. The purpose of any tool is decided by the person that invented it.

If I use a wrench to drive a nail its purpose as I use it is to drive nails.
If I use a wrench to crack some guy's head open its purpose at the time of use is to crack a skull open

The purpose of any tool is defined by the user of that tool at the time it is being used

If a person uses a rock as a tool who defines what the purpose is? The maker of the rock or the person using the rock?

I could wipe my ass with aluminum foil and call it toilet paper but we know thats not the reason or purpose for its existence. None of that changes what the inventor of the tool designed it for.

It matters not what the inventor intended. The use defines the purpose.

Nope. The inventor/original designer defines the purpose.

We disagree.

 

[Asclepias]

Nope. The purpose of any tool is decided by the person that invented it.

If I use a wrench to drive a nail its purpose as I use it is to drive nails.
If I use a wrench to crack some guy's head open its purpose at the time of use is to crack a skull open

The purpose of any tool is defined by the user of that tool at the time it is being used

If a person uses a rock as a tool who defines what the purpose is? The maker of the rock or the person using the rock?

I could wipe my ass with aluminum foil and call it toilet paper but we know thats not the reason or purpose for its existence. None of that changes what the inventor of the tool designed it for.

It matters not what the inventor intended. The use defines the purpose.

Nope. The inventor/original designer defines the purpose.

We disagree.

But we do agree that you are wrong.

 

[Skull Pilot]

If I use a wrench to drive a nail its purpose as I use it is to drive nails.
If I use a wrench to crack some guy's head open its purpose at the time of use is to crack a skull open

The purpose of any tool is defined by the user of that tool at the time it is being used

If a person uses a rock as a tool who defines what the purpose is? The maker of the rock or the person using the rock?

I could wipe my ass with aluminum foil and call it toilet paper but we know thats not the reason or purpose for its existence. None of that changes what the inventor of the tool designed it for.

It matters not what the inventor intended. The use defines the purpose.

Nope. The inventor/original designer defines the purpose.

We disagree.

But we do agree that you are wrong.

We disagree on that too.

 

[OldLady]

No I want to be able to hit a target with accuracy at a distance. BB guns can't do that

A gun fires a projectile that is all it does. That a projectile fired from a gun can kill is a moot point.

Shit you can throw a baseball fast enough to kill someone

No it is not. It is the whole point.

Of course it is because the vast and overwhelming majority of gun owner never kill anyone. A guns is designed to fire a projectile. A chainsaw is designed to remove chunks of material both can be used to kill. It all depends on the choice of the person wielding them

You fail to understand that the target is not the choice of the gun it is the choice of the person pulling the trigger.

You fail to understand guns were designed to kill and chainsaws were designed to cut wood. There is a vast difference.

Did you buy your gun?

Yes all of them.

Jesus Christ. Last time I heard you talk about this at Christmastime, you didn't own any. How many did you GET?

 

[Asclepias]

No it is not. It is the whole point.

Of course it is because the vast and overwhelming majority of gun owner never kill anyone. A guns is designed to fire a projectile. A chainsaw is designed to remove chunks of material both can be used to kill. It all depends on the choice of the person wielding them

You fail to understand that the target is not the choice of the gun it is the choice of the person pulling the trigger.

You fail to understand guns were designed to kill and chainsaws were designed to cut wood. There is a vast difference.

Did you buy your gun?

Yes all of them.

Jesus Christ. Last time I heard you talk about this at Christmastime, you didn't own any. How many did you GET?

You must have me mixed up with someone else. I've always had guns. I have enough to protect my family.

 

[RealDave]

The guy in Vegas had two illegal rifles.....versus the other 8,000,000 rifles that law abiding people own and didn't use to commit murder...

He used those rifles to murder 58 people...having passed every single gun control measure the anti-gunners wanted...and would have passed a universal background check as well as registering those guns if it had been required...and if he used 30 round magazines, he could have killed just as many people with 10 round magazines....

58 people...

A muslim terrorist in France, who didn't have to pass any background check used a rental truck to murder 89 people.....And wounded 458....

2016 Nice attack - Wikipedia

So...which killed more people....two rifles, or one rental truck?

Which was harder to get, the two rifles or the rental truck?

a rental truck serves a purpose other than killing.

guns do not.

You continue to make an ass out of yourself with these stupid childish arguments.

Google is your friend asshat. There are many, many legitimate recreational uses for guns other than killing. Fell free to look it up and educate yourself.

Getting drunk & shooting guns?
Real users, not entertaining feeblle minded jacksasses.
Lets allow people to have fun shooting guns & who gives a fuck how many people die.

 

[xotoxi]

The guy in Vegas had two illegal rifles.....versus the other 8,000,000 rifles that law abiding people own and didn't use to commit murder...

He used those rifles to murder 58 people...having passed every single gun control measure the anti-gunners wanted...and would have passed a universal background check as well as registering those guns if it had been required...and if he used 30 round magazines, he could have killed just as many people with 10 round magazines....

58 people...

A muslim terrorist in France, who didn't have to pass any background check used a rental truck to murder 89 people.....And wounded 458....

2016 Nice attack - Wikipedia

So...which killed more people....two rifles, or one rental truck?

Which was harder to get, the two rifles or the rental truck?

Guns and trucks don't kill people.

People kill people.

 

[RealDave]

Also if that is the case why make guns that kill people. A BB gun is designed to propel a projectile at a high velocity at the target of the shooter's choice. There would be no need to sell a firearm beyond that power if that were the only reason for it's design. They were designed for killing.

A BB gun can kill a person under the right circumstances.

BBs are not accurate and have very limited range

Meaning you want weapons that have better tools for killing.

No I want to be able to hit a target with accuracy at a distance. BB guns can't do that

A gun fires a projectile that is all it does. That a projectile fired from a gun can kill is a moot point.

Shit you can throw a baseball fast enough to kill someone

No it is not. It is the whole point.

Of course it is because the vast and overwhelming majority of gun owner never kill anyone. A guns is designed to fire a projectile. A chainsaw is designed to remove chunks of material both can be used to kill. It all depends on the choice of the person wielding them

You fail to understand that the target is not the choice of the gun it is the choice of the person pulling the trigger.

A chainsaw is used to cut wood. A viable reason.

Am assault type weapon does what? Besides puff out the chests of the morons that tote them in public.

 

[RealDave]

The guy in Vegas had two illegal rifles.....versus the other 8,000,000 rifles that law abiding people own and didn't use to commit murder...

He used those rifles to murder 58 people...having passed every single gun control measure the anti-gunners wanted...and would have passed a universal background check as well as registering those guns if it had been required...and if he used 30 round magazines, he could have killed just as many people with 10 round magazines....

58 people...

A muslim terrorist in France, who didn't have to pass any background check used a rental truck to murder 89 people.....And wounded 458....

2016 Nice attack - Wikipedia

So...which killed more people....two rifles, or one rental truck?

Which was harder to get, the two rifles or the rental truck?

Guns and trucks don't kill people.

People kill people.

You get the rental truck. I get the automatic rifles with piles of ammo.

Let;s see who ends up dead.

 

[xotoxi]

The guy in Vegas had two illegal rifles.....versus the other 8,000,000 rifles that law abiding people own and didn't use to commit murder...

He used those rifles to murder 58 people...having passed every single gun control measure the anti-gunners wanted...and would have passed a universal background check as well as registering those guns if it had been required...and if he used 30 round magazines, he could have killed just as many people with 10 round magazines....

58 people...

A muslim terrorist in France, who didn't have to pass any background check used a rental truck to murder 89 people.....And wounded 458....

2016 Nice attack - Wikipedia

So...which killed more people....two rifles, or one rental truck?

Which was harder to get, the two rifles or the rental truck?

Guns and trucks don't kill people.

People kill people.

You get the rental truck. I get the automatic rifles with piles of ammo.

Let;s see who ends up dead.

You will end up with sore arms, ringing ears, and a pile of empty shells.

I will end up several hundred miles away.

 

[Tuatara]

Besides the point. They were designed to kill and a chainsaw wasnt.

The purpose of any tool is decided by the user of that tool.

Nope. The purpose of any tool is decided by the person that invented it.

If I use a wrench to drive a nail its purpose as I use it is to drive nails.
If I use a wrench to crack some guy's head open its purpose at the time of use is to crack a skull open

The purpose of any tool is defined by the user of that tool at the time it is being used

If a person uses a rock as a tool who defines what the purpose is? The maker of the rock or the person using the rock?

I could wipe my ass with aluminum foil and call it toilet paper but we know thats not the reason or purpose for its existence. None of that changes what the inventor of the tool designed it for.

It matters not what the inventor intended. The use defines the purpose.

This is stupid. It's like someone arguing guns are for sticking up yer arse because that is what they do with it.

 

[Asclepias]

The purpose of any tool is decided by the user of that tool.

Nope. The purpose of any tool is decided by the person that invented it.

If I use a wrench to drive a nail its purpose as I use it is to drive nails.
If I use a wrench to crack some guy's head open its purpose at the time of use is to crack a skull open

The purpose of any tool is defined by the user of that tool at the time it is being used

If a person uses a rock as a tool who defines what the purpose is? The maker of the rock or the person using the rock?

I could wipe my ass with aluminum foil and call it toilet paper but we know thats not the reason or purpose for its existence. None of that changes what the inventor of the tool designed it for.

It matters not what the inventor intended. The use defines the purpose.

This is stupid. It's like someone arguing guns are for sticking up yer arse because that is what they do with it.

maybe he has a point. Some guys use their guns as virtual dicks because their real ones are too small. I see guys like that at the range all the time.

 

[Cosmos]

The guy in Vegas had two illegal rifles.....versus the other 8,000,000 rifles that law abiding people own and didn't use to commit murder...

He used those rifles to murder 58 people...having passed every single gun control measure the anti-gunners wanted...and would have passed a universal background check as well as registering those guns if it had been required...and if he used 30 round magazines, he could have killed just as many people with 10 round magazines....

58 people...

A muslim terrorist in France, who didn't have to pass any background check used a rental truck to murder 89 people.....And wounded 458....

2016 Nice attack - Wikipedia

So...which killed more people....two rifles, or one rental truck?

Which was harder to get, the two rifles or the rental truck?

Big deal. Conservative icon Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people with a rental truck.

Oklahoma City bombing - Wikipedia

"Conservative icon"?

I don't think so.