Which country has a model capitalistic healthcare system?

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  1. Toronado3800
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    Just curious who we should model ourselves after.


    America in the past is an answer but beware if you talk about the previous fifty years of our system that was some weird backend redistribution socialist network where freeloaders had the opportunity to be treated and I (maybe you also) paid for it.
     
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    None of the above. Most other nations are indulging the slide into corporatism and I do not think we should follow them.
     
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    The previous 50 years have had Medicare/Medicaid screwing with the marketplace....Speaking of freeloaders.

    I also notice that since the passage of Obolshevikcare, the focus from the left has shifted from the pooooor "50 million uninsured" to calling everyone who doesn't have insurance as "freeloaders"...Never mind the fact that the uninsured pay for medical care out-of-pocket at urgent care clinics every day of the week.
     
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    I dunno. In my extended family there were aunts who paid $ 20 a month on medical bills since the 80s.

    I also know a young lady who had her gallbladder removed totally on your dime. She has crud credit now but no looming debtors prison.

    Honestly I understand the economy of scale aspect of making everyone carry health insurance. Then there is the emergency aspect similar to social security where if you end up sick or crippled tomorrow you will not be an absolute beggar or much of a drag on your family.

    Still though, Ireland, the Caymen Islands, anyplace have a good model of a capitalistic system?
     
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    Medicare/Medicaid and the myriad of other state programs for the indigent are largely on my dime too...What else is new?
     
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    do you mean the REPUBLICAN/MITTENS endorsed "go to the ER and wait" SOCIALISTIC system of health care? Why should I have to pay for your health care? Why should I have to pay for illegals' healthcare?

    I've always said it was health care for lazy rw freeloaders. Pay for your own healthcare. And, don't bother telling me all about how YOU pay for your own because somebody out there is NOT paying for their own and ObamaCare would be a good start to ending that. (Yes, that's right - some of you freeloaders will slip through.)

    Gotta love the hypocrisy of you rw's. In the "atlas shrugged" thread

    http://www.usmessageboard.com/media...face-of-american-politics-62.html#post6240483

    rw's are saying how Ayn Rand was right to take advantage of Medicare and Soc Sec because SHE PAID INTO IT AND WAS ENTITLED TO IT.

    You might want to check out the difference between SS, Medicare and Medicaid. Or not. I know how you prize your ignorance so that's your decision.
     
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    I know a woman who spent the week before xmas in University Medical Center in Tucson, had emergency surgery and was discharged on xmas day.

    She says she never received a bill.

    Meanwhile, another person I know, a Canadian, pays $60 a month for health insurance, was injured in a car accident and got top notch care.

    People around the world wonder at the stupidity of the US because we let insurance companies and big drug companies control our health care.

    I doubt any system is perfect but ours is anti-patient and pro-big business. We get crappy care and pay more for it than many other countries.
     
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    Yep. Shame we didn't change that when we had the chance.
     
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    ObamaCare has already made substantial changes for the better. Let's hope the Rs don't get in the way of more.
     
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    I don't see how. Certainly not when it comes to addressing the "anti-patient and pro-big business" problem. It doubles down on that aspect, legally forcing us to support the very corporations who have created the health care mess in the first place. That's one sick, twisted version of 'reform' in my view.
     

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