Where's That Executive Order?

Not only is there no executive order, but have you noticed that the day after the elections were over, Trump STOPPED talking about the "invasion caravan"?

Mattis was down there this week, and when he was asked what the mission was there, he didn't have an answer. When he was asked if the concertina wire that the military had already strung on the border was going to stay or be retrieved, he didn't have an answer for that one either.

And....................did you know that the active duty military being deployed to the border are getting 250.00/mo extra in family separation pay? I wonder if Trump thought about that when he sent them?

Extra pay for border deployment? Here’s what troops can expect


On top of that, they will be there for the Thanksgiving holiday. They won't even be able to spend the holiday with their families.

It's as I said a couple weeks ago in my thread about the Posse Comitatus Act. The federal military can't do anything there beyond stand around, waste tax dollars and look cute.

If trump really cared about Americans he would be sending those troops up to help the people in California. Thousands have lost everything but they don't matter to trump. Thousands have no home or even clothes yet trump wastes our tax dollars and leaves those people to fend for themselves.

When the hurricanes hit the south, trump went there and at least pretended he cared and helped. He promised to send FEMA help. He's not even doing that for the Americans in California.

Why should he? Maybe California should start enforcing federal immigration laws and turning their illegals over to ICE. If they did that, then we should spend money to help all of those rich Californians to rebuild so there homes will burn down again in just a few years.
 
Not only is there no executive order, but have you noticed that the day after the elections were over, Trump STOPPED talking about the "invasion caravan"?

Mattis was down there this week, and when he was asked what the mission was there, he didn't have an answer. When he was asked if the concertina wire that the military had already strung on the border was going to stay or be retrieved, he didn't have an answer for that one either.

And....................did you know that the active duty military being deployed to the border are getting 250.00/mo extra in family separation pay? I wonder if Trump thought about that when he sent them?

Extra pay for border deployment? Here’s what troops can expect

Family separation pay? You mean the pay that doesn't kick in until after 30 days? The pay that no one has yet received? You mean that pay?

Never let a titless WAVE deal with your pay. They will screw it up for certain!
 
Not only is there no executive order, but have you noticed that the day after the elections were over, Trump STOPPED talking about the "invasion caravan"?

Mattis was down there this week, and when he was asked what the mission was there, he didn't have an answer. When he was asked if the concertina wire that the military had already strung on the border was going to stay or be retrieved, he didn't have an answer for that one either.

And....................did you know that the active duty military being deployed to the border are getting 250.00/mo extra in family separation pay? I wonder if Trump thought about that when he sent them?

Extra pay for border deployment? Here’s what troops can expect


On top of that, they will be there for the Thanksgiving holiday. They won't even be able to spend the holiday with their families.

It's as I said a couple weeks ago in my thread about the Posse Comitatus Act. The federal military can't do anything there beyond stand around, waste tax dollars and look cute.

If trump really cared about Americans he would be sending those troops up to help the people in California. Thousands have lost everything but they don't matter to trump. Thousands have no home or even clothes yet trump wastes our tax dollars and leaves those people to fend for themselves.

When the hurricanes hit the south, trump went there and at least pretended he cared and helped. He promised to send FEMA help. He's not even doing that for the Americans in California.

Yeah, and my daughter who is deployed overseas will miss Thanksgiving Christmas, New Years and maybe a few more before she gets back. Cry me a river! Did you ever deploy and miss a holiday?

My daughter was 11 years old the first time I was ever home to take her and her 8 year-old little brother trick or treating on Halloween.
 
Just before the election trump was saying that he had the authority to void the 14th amendment with an executive order. Saying that he was going to write that order.

He didn't write that order.

I wonder why?

Could it be that he was full of garbage and he knew it? That he only wanted to "fire up" republicans to vote so that the blue wave he knew was coming wasn't as bad?

That blue wave came. It was bad for trump. He expected to pick up a bunch of seats in the Senate but he only got a couple. He went to Montana many times to get rid of Jon Tester yet Tester still won. Same with a couple other democrats he thought he could get voted out of office. The House of Reps is solidly in the hands of the democrats. The democrats control all legislation in the Senate with the filibuster. The next two years don't look very good for trump.

This man lies and manipulates republicans and the republicans just don't care.

The 14th Amendment is never going away.

No matter how much trump lies and says he's going to get rid of it.

All he was doing is lying to you to get people out to vote. Nothing more and it didn't work the way he wanted it to work.

There's nothing in the 14th which establishes birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants who another country can claim allegiance.

Nothing at all.

Here's the thing. It's not always about just trying to hurry up and get elected.

It's about changing the course of history. Ya know? It's about changing and controlling the terms of controversy. It's about winning the conversation.

So, finally we're talking about something very, very important that needs to be resolved.

Birthright citizenship for children of parents of whom another country can claim allegiance has never been adjudicated. Nor is it any place to be found in the 14th.

It's not going away. It's out there now.
I don't see what's wrong with the President's idea. If neither parent is documented, they aren't supposed to be here in the first place, and why should the children be given citizenship? That's nuts. The biggest problem with enforcing it that I see is, parents will have to show proof of citizenship in order to get a birth certificate for the child, and a lot of kids will start being born in the bedroom instead of in the hospital, which is probably not the healthiest thing for them.

So you’re arrested. You have to prove your citizenship. Can you? Hope so.


But now those who have their citizenship questioned have to prove their parent’s citizenship? Do you have your parent’s birth certificates handy?


What if the father is a citizen of the US and the mother was not. Does citizenship carry over then? Given the number of deadbeat dads (and moms)…can you locate your biological father with whom you may be estranged and get them to cough up their birth certificate to keep you in this nation?


And then there is the little matter of where do you get deported to? A kid who is 14 or a man who is 35 or whatever….you never been to Guatemala in your life but somehow because your parents didn’t have papers means that you’re now on the next flight south?

The floor is yours.
 
Just before the election trump was saying that he had the authority to void the 14th amendment with an executive order. Saying that he was going to write that order.

He didn't write that order.

I wonder why?

Could it be that he was full of garbage and he knew it? That he only wanted to "fire up" republicans to vote so that the blue wave he knew was coming wasn't as bad?

That blue wave came. It was bad for trump. He expected to pick up a bunch of seats in the Senate but he only got a couple. He went to Montana many times to get rid of Jon Tester yet Tester still won. Same with a couple other democrats he thought he could get voted out of office. The House of Reps is solidly in the hands of the democrats. The democrats control all legislation in the Senate with the filibuster. The next two years don't look very good for trump.

This man lies and manipulates republicans and the republicans just don't care.

The 14th Amendment is never going away.

No matter how much trump lies and says he's going to get rid of it.

All he was doing is lying to you to get people out to vote. Nothing more and it didn't work the way he wanted it to work.

Signed 2 days after election.
President Trump Signs Executive Order Denying Asylum to Illegal Border Crossers - Live Trading News

President Trump Signs Executive Order Denying Asylum to Illegal Border Crossers

Friday, US President Donald Trump invoked extraordinary national security powers to deny asylum to migrants who enter the country illegally, tightening the border as caravans of Central Americans slowly approach the United States.

President Trump is using the same powers he used to push through a version of the travel ban that was upheld by the Supreme Court. The proclamation puts into place regulations adopted Thursday that circumvent laws stating that anyone is eligible for asylum no matter how he or she enters the country.

“We need people in our country but they have to come in legally and they have to have merit,” President Trump said Friday as he prepared to depart for Paris.

Addresses exactly zero parts of the 14th amendment. Nice try though.
 
Just before the election trump was saying that he had the authority to void the 14th amendment with an executive order. Saying that he was going to write that order.

He didn't write that order.

I wonder why?

Could it be that he was full of garbage and he knew it? That he only wanted to "fire up" republicans to vote so that the blue wave he knew was coming wasn't as bad?

That blue wave came. It was bad for trump. He expected to pick up a bunch of seats in the Senate but he only got a couple. He went to Montana many times to get rid of Jon Tester yet Tester still won. Same with a couple other democrats he thought he could get voted out of office. The House of Reps is solidly in the hands of the democrats. The democrats control all legislation in the Senate with the filibuster. The next two years don't look very good for trump.

This man lies and manipulates republicans and the republicans just don't care.

The 14th Amendment is never going away.

No matter how much trump lies and says he's going to get rid of it.

All he was doing is lying to you to get people out to vote. Nothing more and it didn't work the way he wanted it to work.

Signed 2 days after election.
President Trump Signs Executive Order Denying Asylum to Illegal Border Crossers - Live Trading News

President Trump Signs Executive Order Denying Asylum to Illegal Border Crossers

Friday, US President Donald Trump invoked extraordinary national security powers to deny asylum to migrants who enter the country illegally, tightening the border as caravans of Central Americans slowly approach the United States.

President Trump is using the same powers he used to push through a version of the travel ban that was upheld by the Supreme Court. The proclamation puts into place regulations adopted Thursday that circumvent laws stating that anyone is eligible for asylum no matter how he or she enters the country.

“We need people in our country but they have to come in legally and they have to have merit,” President Trump said Friday as he prepared to depart for Paris.

Addresses exactly zero parts of the 14th amendment. Nice try though.

It's the media that pushed that narrative on the 14th amendment.

He did what he said he was going to do.
It was reported correctly on C-Span and Fox.
 
Just before the election trump was saying that he had the authority to void the 14th amendment with an executive order. Saying that he was going to write that order.

He didn't write that order.

I wonder why?

Could it be that he was full of garbage and he knew it? That he only wanted to "fire up" republicans to vote so that the blue wave he knew was coming wasn't as bad?

That blue wave came. It was bad for trump. He expected to pick up a bunch of seats in the Senate but he only got a couple. He went to Montana many times to get rid of Jon Tester yet Tester still won. Same with a couple other democrats he thought he could get voted out of office. The House of Reps is solidly in the hands of the democrats. The democrats control all legislation in the Senate with the filibuster. The next two years don't look very good for trump.

This man lies and manipulates republicans and the republicans just don't care.

The 14th Amendment is never going away.

No matter how much trump lies and says he's going to get rid of it.

All he was doing is lying to you to get people out to vote. Nothing more and it didn't work the way he wanted it to work.

Signed 2 days after election.
President Trump Signs Executive Order Denying Asylum to Illegal Border Crossers - Live Trading News

President Trump Signs Executive Order Denying Asylum to Illegal Border Crossers

Friday, US President Donald Trump invoked extraordinary national security powers to deny asylum to migrants who enter the country illegally, tightening the border as caravans of Central Americans slowly approach the United States.

President Trump is using the same powers he used to push through a version of the travel ban that was upheld by the Supreme Court. The proclamation puts into place regulations adopted Thursday that circumvent laws stating that anyone is eligible for asylum no matter how he or she enters the country.

“We need people in our country but they have to come in legally and they have to have merit,” President Trump said Friday as he prepared to depart for Paris.

Addresses exactly zero parts of the 14th amendment. Nice try though.

It's the media that pushed that narrative on the 14th amendment.

He did what he said he was going to do.
It was reported correctly on C-Span and Fox.

Perhaps you can argue with the blob who contradicts the nonsense you’re spewing….
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He’s pushing the narrative.

Irregardless; the ending of asylum and the 14th amendment are two different issues.

**Edit. Or at least he was to satisfy simple minded blob supporters (i.e. all of them).
 
Just before the election trump was saying that he had the authority to void the 14th amendment with an executive order. Saying that he was going to write that order.

He didn't write that order.

I wonder why?

Could it be that he was full of garbage and he knew it? That he only wanted to "fire up" republicans to vote so that the blue wave he knew was coming wasn't as bad?

That blue wave came. It was bad for trump. He expected to pick up a bunch of seats in the Senate but he only got a couple. He went to Montana many times to get rid of Jon Tester yet Tester still won. Same with a couple other democrats he thought he could get voted out of office. The House of Reps is solidly in the hands of the democrats. The democrats control all legislation in the Senate with the filibuster. The next two years don't look very good for trump.

This man lies and manipulates republicans and the republicans just don't care.

The 14th Amendment is never going away.

No matter how much trump lies and says he's going to get rid of it.

All he was doing is lying to you to get people out to vote. Nothing more and it didn't work the way he wanted it to work.

Signed 2 days after election.
President Trump Signs Executive Order Denying Asylum to Illegal Border Crossers - Live Trading News

President Trump Signs Executive Order Denying Asylum to Illegal Border Crossers

Friday, US President Donald Trump invoked extraordinary national security powers to deny asylum to migrants who enter the country illegally, tightening the border as caravans of Central Americans slowly approach the United States.

President Trump is using the same powers he used to push through a version of the travel ban that was upheld by the Supreme Court. The proclamation puts into place regulations adopted Thursday that circumvent laws stating that anyone is eligible for asylum no matter how he or she enters the country.

“We need people in our country but they have to come in legally and they have to have merit,” President Trump said Friday as he prepared to depart for Paris.

Addresses exactly zero parts of the 14th amendment. Nice try though.

It's the media that pushed that narrative on the 14th amendment.

He did what he said he was going to do.
It was reported correctly on C-Span and Fox.

Perhaps you can argue with the blob who contradicts the nonsense you’re spewing….
View attachment 228822

He’s pushing the narrative.

Irregardless; the ending of asylum and the 14th amendment are two different issues.

**Edit. Or at least he was to satisfy simple minded blob supporters (i.e. all of them).

It has to be done by congress on the birth right issue.
 
Just before the election trump was saying that he had the authority to void the 14th amendment with an executive order. Saying that he was going to write that order.

He didn't write that order.

I wonder why?

Could it be that he was full of garbage and he knew it? That he only wanted to "fire up" republicans to vote so that the blue wave he knew was coming wasn't as bad?

That blue wave came. It was bad for trump. He expected to pick up a bunch of seats in the Senate but he only got a couple. He went to Montana many times to get rid of Jon Tester yet Tester still won. Same with a couple other democrats he thought he could get voted out of office. The House of Reps is solidly in the hands of the democrats. The democrats control all legislation in the Senate with the filibuster. The next two years don't look very good for trump.

This man lies and manipulates republicans and the republicans just don't care.

The 14th Amendment is never going away.

No matter how much trump lies and says he's going to get rid of it.

All he was doing is lying to you to get people out to vote. Nothing more and it didn't work the way he wanted it to work.

Signed 2 days after election.
President Trump Signs Executive Order Denying Asylum to Illegal Border Crossers - Live Trading News

President Trump Signs Executive Order Denying Asylum to Illegal Border Crossers

Friday, US President Donald Trump invoked extraordinary national security powers to deny asylum to migrants who enter the country illegally, tightening the border as caravans of Central Americans slowly approach the United States.

President Trump is using the same powers he used to push through a version of the travel ban that was upheld by the Supreme Court. The proclamation puts into place regulations adopted Thursday that circumvent laws stating that anyone is eligible for asylum no matter how he or she enters the country.

“We need people in our country but they have to come in legally and they have to have merit,” President Trump said Friday as he prepared to depart for Paris.

Addresses exactly zero parts of the 14th amendment. Nice try though.

It's the media that pushed that narrative on the 14th amendment.

He did what he said he was going to do.
It was reported correctly on C-Span and Fox.

Perhaps you can argue with the blob who contradicts the nonsense you’re spewing….
View attachment 228822

He’s pushing the narrative.

Irregardless; the ending of asylum and the 14th amendment are two different issues.

**Edit. Or at least he was to satisfy simple minded blob supporters (i.e. all of them).

It has to be done by congress on the birth right issue.

No kidding. Trump doesn’t seem to know that. Neither does his supporters.
Hence you see no follow through on his threat. Despite what you alleged earlier in this thread. You should apologize.
 
Just before the election trump was saying that he had the authority to void the 14th amendment with an executive order. Saying that he was going to write that order.

He didn't write that order.

I wonder why?

Could it be that he was full of garbage and he knew it? That he only wanted to "fire up" republicans to vote so that the blue wave he knew was coming wasn't as bad?

That blue wave came. It was bad for trump. He expected to pick up a bunch of seats in the Senate but he only got a couple. He went to Montana many times to get rid of Jon Tester yet Tester still won. Same with a couple other democrats he thought he could get voted out of office. The House of Reps is solidly in the hands of the democrats. The democrats control all legislation in the Senate with the filibuster. The next two years don't look very good for trump.

This man lies and manipulates republicans and the republicans just don't care.

The 14th Amendment is never going away.

No matter how much trump lies and says he's going to get rid of it.

All he was doing is lying to you to get people out to vote. Nothing more and it didn't work the way he wanted it to work.

There's nothing in the 14th which establishes birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants who another country can claim allegiance.

Nothing at all.

Here's the thing. It's not always about just trying to hurry up and get elected.

It's about changing the course of history. Ya know? It's about changing and controlling the terms of controversy. It's about winning the conversation.

So, finally we're talking about something very, very important that needs to be resolved.

Birthright citizenship for children of parents of whom another country can claim allegiance has never been adjudicated. Nor is it any place to be found in the 14th.

It's not going away. It's out there now.
I don't see what's wrong with the President's idea. If neither parent is documented, they aren't supposed to be here in the first place, and why should the children be given citizenship? That's nuts. The biggest problem with enforcing it that I see is, parents will have to show proof of citizenship in order to get a birth certificate for the child, and a lot of kids will start being born in the bedroom instead of in the hospital, which is probably not the healthiest thing for them.
This is why Trump is wrong:

In America we acknowledge and respect the doctrine of inalienable rights – rights that can neither be taken nor bestowed by any government, constitution, or man; rights that manifest as the consequence of our humanity, rights immune from attack by men.

When a child is born in the United States his inalienable rights are recognized and protected by the Constitution, beyond the reach of bureaucrats, politicians, and citizens motivated by fear, ignorance, and hate.

Indeed, the ignorant, wrongheaded notion that because a citizen’s parents were not citizens themselves, or otherwise entered the country absent authorization, and consequently not citizens, was the ‘reasoning’ used by the Dred Scott Court majority to justify denying black Americans their citizenship, their humanity, and to codify their status as slaves.

The 14th Amendment was ratified to nullify Dred Scott – its Citizenship Clause is worded precisely to ensure no misunderstanding that a child born in the United States is a citizen of the United States, regardless whether his ancestors or parents were slaves or undocumented immigrants.

Hopefully now you understand why Trump is wrong.
 
Signed 2 days after election.
President Trump Signs Executive Order Denying Asylum to Illegal Border Crossers - Live Trading News

President Trump Signs Executive Order Denying Asylum to Illegal Border Crossers

Friday, US President Donald Trump invoked extraordinary national security powers to deny asylum to migrants who enter the country illegally, tightening the border as caravans of Central Americans slowly approach the United States.

President Trump is using the same powers he used to push through a version of the travel ban that was upheld by the Supreme Court. The proclamation puts into place regulations adopted Thursday that circumvent laws stating that anyone is eligible for asylum no matter how he or she enters the country.

“We need people in our country but they have to come in legally and they have to have merit,” President Trump said Friday as he prepared to depart for Paris.

Addresses exactly zero parts of the 14th amendment. Nice try though.

It's the media that pushed that narrative on the 14th amendment.

He did what he said he was going to do.
It was reported correctly on C-Span and Fox.

Perhaps you can argue with the blob who contradicts the nonsense you’re spewing….
View attachment 228822

He’s pushing the narrative.

Irregardless; the ending of asylum and the 14th amendment are two different issues.

**Edit. Or at least he was to satisfy simple minded blob supporters (i.e. all of them).

It has to be done by congress on the birth right issue.

No kidding. Trump doesn’t seem to know that. Neither does his supporters.
Hence you see no follow through on his threat. Despite what you alleged earlier in this thread. You should apologize.

Yes he does and yes his supporters do.
Much better than I've seen with some of the left on this board on knowing the Constitution and how our Government works.
Apologize for what?
 
Addresses exactly zero parts of the 14th amendment. Nice try though.

It's the media that pushed that narrative on the 14th amendment.

He did what he said he was going to do.
It was reported correctly on C-Span and Fox.

Perhaps you can argue with the blob who contradicts the nonsense you’re spewing….
View attachment 228822

He’s pushing the narrative.

Irregardless; the ending of asylum and the 14th amendment are two different issues.

**Edit. Or at least he was to satisfy simple minded blob supporters (i.e. all of them).

It has to be done by congress on the birth right issue.

No kidding. Trump doesn’t seem to know that. Neither does his supporters.
Hence you see no follow through on his threat. Despite what you alleged earlier in this thread. You should apologize.

Yes he does and yes his supporters do.
Much better than I've seen with some of the left on this board on knowing the Constitution and how our Government works.
Apologize for what?

You sound like an idiot.

Here is what your blob said:

Trump told "Axios on HBO" that he has run the idea of ending birthright citizenship by his counsel and plans to proceed with the highly controversial move, which certainly will face legal challenges.

  • "It was always told to me that you needed a constitutional amendment. Guess what? You don't," Trump said, declaring he can do it by executive order.
  • When told that's very much in dispute, Trump replied: "You can definitely do it with an Act of Congress. But now they're saying I can do it just with an executive order.”
Here is what you’re saying

"It has to be done by congress on the birth right issue.”

So what is your story now? Can Trump end birthright citizenship via EO?

If not, why do you and his supporters think he can?

You should apologize for alleging he issued the EO ending birthright citizen ship earlier in this thread. Bringing up his denial of asylum was a nice try to cloud the issue. It didn’t work but it did make it painfully vivid that you and other Trump supporters are clueless; as you continue to prove.
 
Seems the other way around to me.
He did the EO like he said he would.
The main stream media made the birther issue.
He's saying something needs to be done about anchor babies and thinks it can be done by Executive Order or congress.
Anchor babies has nothing to do with birthright citizenship.
The baby should not automatically become a citizen to an illegal citizen.

The 14th amendment addresses the equal protection and rights of former slaves.
Not illegals giving birth in America.
 
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What ever happened to that Executive Order on anchor babies we heard about right before the election? It takes about 30 seconds to write that out.
 
Seems the other way around to me.
He did the EO like he said he would.
The main stream media made the birther issue.
He's saying something needs to be done about anchor babies and thinks it can be done by Executive Order or congress.
Anchor babies has nothing to do with birthright citizenship.
The baby should not automatically become a citizen to an illegal citizen.

The 14th amendment addresses the equal protection and rights of former slaves.
Not illegals giving birth in America.

He said he was going to issue an EO ending birthright citizenship.
He has done no such thing.
The media (main stream or otherwise) has not changed his words one iota.
The EO he did sign regarding asylum has zero place in this thread
Your defense of the blob on this matter is just you telling a bunch of lies.
Your defense of the blob in general is bewildering since he doesn’t respect you enough to tell you the truth.
 
Not only is there no executive order, but have you noticed that the day after the elections were over, Trump STOPPED talking about the "invasion caravan"?

Mattis was down there this week, and when he was asked what the mission was there, he didn't have an answer. When he was asked if the concertina wire that the military had already strung on the border was going to stay or be retrieved, he didn't have an answer for that one either.

And....................did you know that the active duty military being deployed to the border are getting 250.00/mo extra in family separation pay? I wonder if Trump thought about that when he sent them?

Extra pay for border deployment? Here’s what troops can expect
If they weren't getting the extra money I'm sure you'd claim he was fucking the troops over.
BTW, James Mattis doesn't feel that the media needs to know everything about the mission. That's just like tipping off the enemy. The enemy being the Democrats and their corrupt media.
 
Seems the other way around to me.
He did the EO like he said he would.
The main stream media made the birther issue.
He's saying something needs to be done about anchor babies and thinks it can be done by Executive Order or congress.
Anchor babies has nothing to do with birthright citizenship.
The baby should not automatically become a citizen to an illegal citizen.

The 14th amendment addresses the equal protection and rights of former slaves.
Not illegals giving birth in America.

He said he was going to issue an EO ending birthright citizenship.
He has done no such thing.
The media (main stream or otherwise) has not changed his words one iota.
The EO he did sign regarding asylum has zero place in this thread
Your defense of the blob on this matter is just you telling a bunch of lies.
Your defense of the blob in general is bewildering since he doesn’t respect you enough to tell you the truth.

He has done nothing so far about the anchor baby issue yet.
It doesn't mean nothing will be done.
You have to deal with them coming in illegally first which is what he is trying to do with his EO , with a congress that won't work together.
Same problem that Obama had by the way.
Now the next step is illegals who give birth here.
It has nothing to do with the 14th amendment.
The best solution is congress .
If President Trump can't get them to do something he's looking into an Executive Order.
 

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