where would the Native Americans be if ----

[Yarddog]

Do you mean how long they would have continued their stone age existence? Indefinitely, I presume, since they hadn't invented the wheel in 20,000 years.

yes---''their culture'' ..like Correll said, they were getting firearms ...I would think maybe with firearms, more tribes would've been decimated by other tribes--but overall, they would still have some of their culture ....

Well, it depends on which Indians we are talking about. They can't all be lumped together. There was a huge difference for example between the Iriquois Nation and the Comanche for one. One group was very well organized and was able to make peace and trade with others, while the other group was brutally savage preying on everyone around them whether they be other tribes, Mexicans, Spaniards or Texans, giving little interest to outside relations and seemed to enjoy inflicting torture.

 

[Gdjjr]

. Not the one based on movies

Dances With Wolves is one of my favorite movies

Reading about Leonard Peltier is one of my favorite passtimes

 

[luchitociencia]

. Not the one based on movies

Dances With Wolves is one of my favorite movies

Reading about Leonard Peltier is one of my favorite passtimes

One of the most common scenarios in Western movies is the cowboys arriving to town, and using the reins as ropes to tight the horse to a rail in front of the store or hotel...

If this was true, then after having a drink at the bar or sleep at the hotel or buying cigarettes from the store, they will come out to the street to see their horse alone and running away reaching the borders of the town.

In those years, you arrived to town, and take the horse to be under shadow, be cleaned, have water and food, at the back of the houses. Of course you can also tight the horse rein to the rail but the horse will find the way to release it.

But you might be right, if some movies might reflect how life was in those days, still the movies will add the "flavor" asked by the producers.

 

[Gdjjr]

One of the most common scenarios in Western movies is the cowboys arriving to town, and using the reins as ropes to tight the horse to a rail in front of the store or hotel...

We're talking about Indians-

BTW, cowboys didn't go to a store to buy their cigarettes- they rolled their own or smoked a pipe or cigars, maybe grape vines if times were really tough- some used parched corn as coffee beans too- they didn't wear denim either- and their chaps were learned dress from vaqueros- (Mexican Cowboys)- their lariats were made of leather and their hats were mostly floppy beaver felt made from beaver pelts- some were fortunate enough to have palm leaf straw but they obviously didn't last long- Texas Rangers were, for the most part, a bunch of rag tag out of work farmers and many were actually criminals- "real" cowboys didn't live long but their legacy has- westerener and cowboy ain't always the same- real cowboys drove cattle from one place to another- westerners went from one place to another, sometimes on horse back- but, the "cowboy image" lived on- Indians had heroes too- Crazy Horse was a messiah like person- Sitting Bull was very wise- tribes had internal conflicts as do ALL people, it was just handled differently than europeans- Geronimo was a heathen- but changed-
A brief history The Native American Story | Texas State History Museum

And there's this Quanah Parker - Wikipedia

 

[whitehall]

It was an historic clash of cultures typical of what we have seen on this planet since humans drove out the neanderthals. Why dwell on it? Native American Indians manage to massacre the wallets of the white eyes every day in Indian casinos today.

 

[luchitociencia]

I think the topic is about what could happen with native Indians living first their way of life


changing into a new way of life, different way of dressing, housing...



and without their partial extermination and/or sending them to reservations,
to become part of the American society...

...like modern Pocahontas

 

[Correll]

There is nothing wrong with hunter gathering. If the buffalo were not decimated by white hunters, they could have been a good source of food for the indians forever.

Slash and burn cultivation is what turned the Great Plains from forest to impenetrable sod until Europeans introduced the iron plow.

Prior to the horse being brought over by the Europeans, the indians' primary method of killing buffalo was to stampede herds over cliffs.

The Europeans also brought over new diseases, including malaria, which were responsible for 90% of indian fatalities.

What was so great about their culture before the Europeans arrived??

Jeez, good point about the horses. Forgot about that.


And yes, nothing really "great" about their culture before hand. But the speculative question was asked, where could they have been if some of the events were different.

 

[Picaro]

What was so great about their culture before the Europeans arrived??

Pretty much nothing was great about it; they were lazy, dim-witted, and violent. Torturing captives was their favorite entertainment, and they loved devising ways to make it last as long as possible. They were a stagnant degenerate 'culture', like one finds in isolated hill tribes and jungles in Asia.

And, they aren't 'extinct'; there are as many around as existed before the Europeans came. They're far better off on reservations, which is why reservations were invented. If whites were as racist as Asians, Arabs, Africans, Indians, etc., they would simply have been exterminated and forgotten, like blacks in the ME were, and nobody would be sniveling over them as some kind of 'loss'. Many tribes would have been exterminated by the Sioux and Comanche empires if it weren't for the US cavalry and Army, for that matter. The Blackhawks and Iroquois eliminated countless tribes in their wars and 'Federations'. As for the so-called 'Civilized Tribes', they weren't much better.

the whole narrative of them being poor hapless victims horribly mis-treated by Evul Whitey is just stupid stoner hippie rubbish from Hollywood and the 1960's. So, the correct answer is they would be exactly the same now as they were before 1600 A.D., smelly, violent, and stupid.

 

[cnm]

Just like Texans.

 

[Picaro]

Just like Texans.

So why do so many 'natives', latinos, and blacks live in the west and South if it's such a horrible racist place you ignorant gimps try and make it out to be? Of course for, deviants and dopeheads like yourself, only ghettos are desirable.

But then Texas is one of the more diverse states in the Union, and few natives here are third generation, mostly fat dumb Yankees from the mid-west and the northeast, I guess smelly, violent and stupid is the fastest growing segment here, just not as bad as California yet.

 

[cnm]

So why do so many 'natives', latinos, and blacks live in the west and South if it's such a horrible racist place you ignorant gimps try and make it out to be?

Smelly, violent and stupid like the other Texans?

 

[Gdjjr]

It was an historic clash of cultures typical of what we have seen on this planet since humans drove out the neanderthals. Why dwell on it?

I "dwell on it" sometimes- like when idiots (christians mostly) get all sanctimonious about jews- and I will continue to.
I don't claim to be smart so I ask anyone to explain how exactly the so-called holacaust was any worse than what christians did here- I've yet to see a legitimate answer.

Native American Indians manage to massacre the wallets of the white eyes every day

Jews do too-

 

[jwoodie]

What about the Neanderthals? I demand reparations!

 

[Picaro]

So why do so many 'natives', latinos, and blacks live in the west and South if it's such a horrible racist place you ignorant gimps try and make it out to be?

Smelly, violent and stupid like the other Texans?

No, more like you and your disease ridden deviants.

 

[Scamp]

Look what Multiculturalism did to the American Indians.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Hmm.. So they wouldn't be twiddling with tech which socially isolates us, which causes cancer & pollutes the environment?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Look what Multiculturalism did to the American Indians.

The majority of them marry non-Natives.

So Multiculuralism is pushing them towards extinction....

 

[luchitociencia]

Look what Multiculturalism did to the American Indians.

The majority of them marry non-Natives.

So Multiculuralism is pushing them towards extinction....

At the cost of weaker new generations of humans.

Mixing races make weaker off springs.

 

[luchitociencia]

This is just hypothetical

If the colonists made a deal with the aborigines and the land was divided and they were given, lets say, what today is the State of Texas, New Mexico and Colorado. After the Independence the new US government made the same deal and they obtained their own country, will you try to invade their lands in today's America? Why?

 

[zaangalewa]

Do you mean how long they would have continued their stone age existence? Indefinitely, I presume, since they hadn't invented the wheel in 20,000 years.

And you think you had invented the wheel earlier? With this kind of stone age racism, which did not even exist during the stone ages?