where would the Native Americans be if ----

[harmonica]

....how ''different'' would the Native Americans be if they weren't forced on to reservations/the buffalo were not decimated/etc? ...how long would they have kept their culture?

 

[jwoodie]

Do you mean how long they would have continued their stone age existence? Indefinitely, I presume, since they hadn't invented the wheel in 20,000 years.

 

[Crepitus]

....how ''different'' would the Native Americans be if they weren't forced on to reservations/the buffalo were not decimated/etc? ...how long would they have kept their culture?

Well, they probably wouldn't be mostly extinct.....

 

[Correll]

....how ''different'' would the Native Americans be if they weren't forced on to reservations/the buffalo were not decimated/etc? ...how long would they have kept their culture?

A good question.


One thing that comes to mind, is the image of indians hunting Buffalo with rifles. With that technology adoption, their culture was already adapting and changing very fast.

 

[harmonica]

Do you mean how long they would have continued their stone age existence? Indefinitely, I presume, since they hadn't invented the wheel in 20,000 years.

yes---''their culture'' ..like Correll said, they were getting firearms ...I would think maybe with firearms, more tribes would've been decimated by other tribes--but overall, they would still have some of their culture ....

 

[harmonica]

....how ''different'' would the Native Americans be if they weren't forced on to reservations/the buffalo were not decimated/etc? ...how long would they have kept their culture?

A good question.


One thing that comes to mind, is the image of indians hunting Buffalo with rifles. With that technology adoption, their culture was already adapting and changing very fast.

....would they eventually learn that farming/domestic animals were much more efficient for food? etc?..I would think so---but it would take a long time

 

[harmonica]

....how ''different'' would the Native Americans be if they weren't forced on to reservations/the buffalo were not decimated/etc? ...how long would they have kept their culture?

Well, they probably wouldn't be mostly extinct.....

...yes, it is horrible that their culture/etc was ''lost'' ..

 

[Correll]

....how ''different'' would the Native Americans be if they weren't forced on to reservations/the buffalo were not decimated/etc? ...how long would they have kept their culture?

A good question.

One thing that comes to mind, is the image of indians hunting Buffalo with rifles. With that technology adoption, their culture was already adapting and changing very fast.

....would they eventually learn that farming/domestic animals were much more efficient for food? etc?..I would think so---but it would take a long time

There is nothing wrong with hunter gathering. If the buffalo were not decimated by white hunters, they could have been a good source of food for the indians forever.

 

[harmonica]

....how ''different'' would the Native Americans be if they weren't forced on to reservations/the buffalo were not decimated/etc? ...how long would they have kept their culture?

A good question.

One thing that comes to mind, is the image of indians hunting Buffalo with rifles. With that technology adoption, their culture was already adapting and changing very fast.

....would they eventually learn that farming/domestic animals were much more efficient for food? etc?..I would think so---but it would take a long time

There is nothing wrong with hunter gathering. If the buffalo were not decimated by white hunters, they could have been a good source of food for the indians forever.

..sure,..... I'm thinking some of the NAs would observe the farming/etc and would want to try that .....

 

[Correll]

....how ''different'' would the Native Americans be if they weren't forced on to reservations/the buffalo were not decimated/etc? ...how long would they have kept their culture?

A good question.

One thing that comes to mind, is the image of indians hunting Buffalo with rifles. With that technology adoption, their culture was already adapting and changing very fast.

....would they eventually learn that farming/domestic animals were much more efficient for food? etc?..I would think so---but it would take a long time

There is nothing wrong with hunter gathering. If the buffalo were not decimated by white hunters, they could have been a good source of food for the indians forever.

..sure,..... I'm thinking some of the NAs would observe the farming/etc and would want to try that .....

Ranching would be the next obvious step from hunting, I would think. The practice of "using all the buffalo" in their economy, would more easily transfer to "using all the cow".

 

[Likkmee]

 

[jwoodie]

One thing that comes to mind, is the image of indians hunting Buffalo with rifles. With that technology adoption, their culture was already adapting and changing very fast.

How about the image of indians running gambling casinos? Very adaptable!

 

[jwoodie]

...yes, it is horrible that their culture/etc was ''lost'' ..

Especially perpetual warfare, murder, torture, slavery, euthanasia and starvation.

 

[jwoodie]

There is nothing wrong with hunter gathering. If the buffalo were not decimated by white hunters, they could have been a good source of food for the indians forever.

Slash and burn cultivation is what turned the Great Plains from forest to impenetrable sod until Europeans introduced the iron plow.

Prior to the horse being brought over by the Europeans, the indians' primary method of killing buffalo was to stampede herds over cliffs.

The Europeans also brought over new diseases, including malaria, which were responsible for 90% of indian fatalities.

What was so great about their culture before the Europeans arrived??

 

[harmonica]

...yes, it is horrible that their culture/etc was ''lost'' ..

Especially perpetual warfare, murder, torture, slavery, euthanasia and starvation.

.....it was different from the whites.....the whites were not perfect either

 

[harmonica]

....how ''different'' would the Native Americans be if they weren't forced on to reservations/the buffalo were not decimated/etc? ...how long would they have kept their culture?

A good question.

One thing that comes to mind, is the image of indians hunting Buffalo with rifles. With that technology adoption, their culture was already adapting and changing very fast.

....would they eventually learn that farming/domestic animals were much more efficient for food? etc?..I would think so---but it would take a long time

There is nothing wrong with hunter gathering. If the buffalo were not decimated by white hunters, they could have been a good source of food for the indians forever.

..sure,..... I'm thinking some of the NAs would observe the farming/etc and would want to try that .....

Ranching would be the next obvious step from hunting, I would think. The practice of "using all the buffalo" in their economy, would more easily transfer to "using all the cow".

maybe they wouldn't have ''improved'' --''quickly''...?

 

[luchitociencia]

I think it would come to an eventual war after years.

I think of the Israelite in Egypt. Nomad tribes with no much knowledge moving and living inside an empire which enjoyed of superior culture, and extraordinary architectural knowledge. Even the biblical god trying to destroy such an empire because they claimed they "built" the Nile river (and studies in the past backed up the possibility of the Nile being made artificially to facilitate better irrigation).

While there are not records of Egyptians obtaining something good from the Israelite culture, the Israelite left that empire hiding idols in their packets. As read in the scriptures, the prophet reprimanding them for keeping those idols.

Generations later, about 200 years after their entrance, the population of the foreign was immense and at one point hard to to be "controlled". Then the measure taken was to stop their increasing population.

In the US, having the native tribes to enjoy freely the land, it might change the whole scenario in history. Both cultures sharing their way of life. The culture with more knowledge providing resources for peace purposes. The most educate the natives might become, the less chances to have fights between the populations.

On the other hand, the strong possibility of natives never recognizing the already settling of the Europeans in this land. This could carry the sparks of wars forever. This is like foreign people taking you out of your house, you are alive and always ready to try the recovering of your property.

The fight for the best places near rivers and water wells could never end.

Then, the new colonists decided to reduce the population of natives as the best solution for "peace". It was the same decision made by the pharaoh of Egypt with the Israelite, killing their newborns..

The difference between these two events, is that in Egypt there were no killings of adult people but just slavery.

Here in America the European never were successful in making the native as slaves, they always were rebellious, they always tried to kill "the invaders".

This is the reason why people from Africa was brought to America. The new slaves had no choice but to serve, they didn't feel like fighting for a land that was not theirs.

Eventually, or the natives should have ended with a complete State(s) for them or ended as being reduced and living in reservations as today.

The land is enormous... but greed is infinite.

 

[harmonica]

I think it would come to an eventual war after years.

I think of the Israelite in Egypt. Nomad tribes with no much knowledge moving and living inside an empire which enjoyed of superior culture, and extraordinary architectural knowledge. Even the biblical god trying to destroy such an empire because they claimed they "built" the Nile river (and studies in the past backed up the possibility of the Nile being made artificially to facilitate better irrigation).

While there are not records of Egyptians obtaining something good from the Israelite culture, the Israelite left that empire hiding idols in their packets. As read in the scriptures, the prophet reprimanding them for keeping those idols.

Generations later, about 200 years after their entrance, the population of the foreign was immense and at one point hard to to be "controlled". Then the measure taken was to stop their increasing population.

In the US, having the native tribes to enjoy freely the land, it might change the whole scenario in history. Both cultures sharing their way of life. The culture with more knowledge providing resources for peace purposes. The most educate the natives might become, the less chances to have fights between the populations.

On the other hand, the strong possibility of natives never recognizing the already settling of the Europeans in this land. This could carry the sparks of wars forever. This is like foreign people taking you out of your house, you are alive and always ready to try the recovering of your property.

The fight for the best places near rivers and water wells could never end.

Then, the new colonists decided to reduce the population of natives as the best solution for "peace". It was the same decision made by the pharaoh of Egypt with the Israelite, killing their newborns..

The difference between these two events, is that in Egypt there were no killings of adult people but just slavery.

Here in America the European never were successful in making the native as slaves, they always were rebellious, they always tried to kill "the invaders".

This is the reason why people from Africa was brought to America. The new slaves had no choice but to serve, they didn't feel like fighting for a land that was not theirs.

Eventually, or the natives should have ended with a complete State(s) for them or ended as being reduced and living in reservations as today.

The land is enormous... but greed is infinite.

a separate state--- interesting.....maybe for some...they were all over .....

 

[Gdjjr]

All is speculation- that said, necessity is the mother of invention.

 

[luchitociencia]

All is speculation- that said, necessity is the mother of invention.

Yes, that is true. Speculation.

That is the purpose of the first message, a question of what should be IF.

Then, the play of assumptions will run according to the way of life of those times. Not the one based on movies but in historical records.

Just a pastime.