Where Were You 40 Years Ago Today?

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    On May 5, 1970, the National Guard opened fired on student protestors at Kent State University and killed four kids, wounding another eight. Today's Memorial Service on the Kent State campus included eulogies and memories of the dead:

    In addition to the four killed, eight more were wounded.

    Wounded (and approximate distance from the National Guard):

    Joseph Lewis Jr. 71 ft (22 m); hit twice in the right abdomen and left lower leg
    John R. Cleary 110 ft (34 m); upper left chest wound
    Thomas Mark Grace 225 ft (69 m); struck in left ankle
    Alan Michael Canfora 225 ft (69 m); hit in his right wrist
    Dean R. Kahler 300 ft (91 m); back wound fracturing the vertebrae - permanently paralyzed from the chest down
    Douglas Alan Wrentmore 329 ft (100 m); hit in his right knee
    James Dennis Russell 375 ft (114 m); hit in his right thigh from a bullet and in the right forehead by birdshot - both wounds minor (died 2007)
    Robert Follis Stamps 495 ft (151 m); hit in his right buttock (died June 11, 2008)
    Donald Scott MacKenzie 750 ft (230 m); neck wound

    One Guardsman, Sgt. Lawrence Shafer, was wounded badly enough to need medical attention before the Guard opened fire.

    Observance of 40th anniversary of Kent State shootings is part political rally, part remembrance | cleveland.com

    Kent State shootings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    When I heard the news of the Massacure, I was still in high school but I was already a seasoned protestor. Civil Rights, End the War in Vietnam, Free Soviet Jews, Women's Liberation...you name the social injustice of the era, and I was protesting it. So were all my friends.

    I still remember my first thought when I heard:

    Oh God. I knew that they were angry at us. But not enough to kill us.

    What are your memories of the Kent State Massacure? Or if you are too young, how were you taught to view this event?

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    The photographer who took this picture won the Pulitzer prize that year for it.
     
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    Put a gun in the hand of someone that's not trained is a bad idea.

    National Guardsmen are an accident waiting to happen.
     
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    I read the article.....funny thing is some of those guardsmen had a short-hair wig on because they were civilians serving part-time. They were really just long-hairs being forced to wear a uniform and hold a gun. Probably never fired the damned thing before.
     
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    I'd like to see you support this contention -- that Guardsmen lack tactical training -- with factoids. It sure seems odd to me, if you are correct, that they haven't massacred any other Americans in the past FORTY years

    Is that what you were taught in school about the Massacure?
     
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    I've trained alot with them throughout my military career.

    This was probably just a case of someone who wasn't properly trained.

    Give someone a gun that hasn't fired it is bad enough...give someone a gun under those conditions when people are screaming at you and spitting at you...you tend to take it personal not to mention being scared yourself....well you figure it out.

    This was not a planned thing.
     
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    I was very young and watching this unfold on TV knowing that something very terrible had just happened. Saw the shock of horror on mom's face and knew it was something that was even more terrible than I at my young age could fanthom. I remember mom's comment: 'This will never be the same country again - my heart goes out to their parents'.
     
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    Here's the URL for the President's Report on Civil Unrest on Campus:

    FG 288 (President's Commission on Campus Unrest)

    Because there was no trial of any sort, the truth has alwys been somewhat hidden from view, even though the Guardsmen were given a shoot to kill order immediately before the Massacre. The verbal command was captured in an audio recording:

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mid-j9Ki49s]YouTube - KSU Rare Audio Recording from May 4th 1970 - 12:24pm[/ame]

    Those of us who opposed the War in Vietnam include many, like myself, who believe the Guardsmen were ordered to shoot to kill the students. There certainly is no other American President as loathsome in my view as Nixon.
     
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    My understanding is that the National Guard is under the direction of the Governor of that state.

    The President can't order anyone to shoot if he's not in the chain of command.
     
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    It was May 4th not 5th but why bother with accuracy?
     
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    Yes, why bother....May 4th/5th - it was still a tragedy.
     

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