Where should stimulus money go?

[Shogun]

You know the liberals won't listen. They don't need to be bothered with parenting and nurturing. There's a company somewhere that's polluting the atmosphere, and that's WAY more important right now.

Do you have relatives above the age of 40 who used to make a living in a factory? Are you telling me that they are going to *POOF* become a fucking java programmer if they "invest in themselves" rather than demand that an elected government protect domestic production from free market capitalists?

I have 40 year olds in class with me right now. I'm almost 30. My current career is not viable for me in the long run, so I took a student loan and enrolled in school to learn a new career. There are a LOT of 40 something's that are going to school either for the first time, or to re-train for something new. In this technology age, life-long education is a foregone conclusion.

And some CAN manage to *poof* become a java programmer after 40 years working a lathe.. But thats simply not what everyone can do. And, I wish you the best of luck in your new career path, but flooding the programming sector with former lathe operators won't do anything beyond drive the value of java programmers down. I realize the global mantra is to use jargon like "information age" and all but it's simply untrue that our former production class is going to find a superman phonebooth to become a bunch of silicon valley techs. Selling out America SOLs for some theoretical bullshit is exactly what I meant when I said that free marketers should complain about the smell after shitting in thier own house.

 

[DiamondDave]

Perhaps, but we ALL vote for the government that we want. You had your turn at the free market wheel and you lost it last November. If the majority wants this nations government to do more than throw our production class under your free market bus then, I guess, you have a reason to look forward to '12. Sorry, we won't sacrifice our American SOl just because you have an economic theory and the ability to ignore the utter failure thereof. We are not talking about a freedom to compete wtih other Americans and the freedom to fail to other Americans; No, WE are talking about being undermined by slave labor wages in semi-third world countries for the sake of America's non-production class. Its the timeless conflict between the Proletariat and Bourgeoisie. And I KNOW you love that nomenclature. Regardless, again, democracy has consequences.. remember that statement? I assure you that the people who went to the polls for the SOLE purpose of changing our economic "free market" clusterfuck do.

No bukko.. that is why we have a constitution and only democratically elected officials within a constitutional republic... to ensure we do not have the tyranny of a 'democracy'

And our constitution was never set up to have an all powerful government taking over for the personal responsibilities for every individual within the country....

hey, you can scream that until you are blue in the face. The constitution does not preserve free market economies. You sure were busy listening to complaints about the "tyranny of the majority" over the last 8 years, eh? I disagree with your last sentence 100%. No one is assuming that the gov is literally wiping asses and getting beers from the fridge just because you want to act like a fucking drama queen when the people vote to preserve our economy after the failure of your economic opinion left office.

So your lazy ass does not agree with the last sentence... so then you think that the government and every other citizen then exists to take care of your personal needs (and no, getting a beer is not a need)... wassa matta?? Widdle piddy shogy to afraid of hard work to take care of yourself if you have a personal setback??

No shogun.. the government was never set up to be your nanny... it was set up to protect and ensure we have the freedoms to make of our lives what we can.. success or failure.. good decision or bad.... it never set up to be a fucking borg collective... it was never set up to be your mommy, to wipe your nose and do everything for you because you think you cannot or that you should not have to work hard for even the necessities in life

 

[Shogun]

Do you have relatives above the age of 40 who used to make a living in a factory? Are you telling me that they are going to *POOF* become a fucking java programmer if they "invest in themselves" rather than demand that an elected government protect domestic production from free market capitalists?

I have 40 year olds in class with me right now. I'm almost 30. My current career is not viable for me in the long run, so I took a student loan and enrolled in school to learn a new career. There are a LOT of 40 something's that are going to school either for the first time, or to re-train for something new. In this technology age, life-long education is a foregone conclusion.

But how can anyone ever survive without big mommy government to pick them up, dust off their bottoms, hand them $10 dollars, give them an ice cream, and go down and scold that big nasty bully of a business that made them feel bad because they no longer had use for their services

Ones like the far left and Shogun love to believe that people truly are incapable of taking care of themselves.. or that even when they can't, it is the absolute duty of a government to take care of all their personal needs, at the expense of everyone else around them...

It is amazing what any person can do when they have to.... but you never really get to see that with the nanny state mentality we have so prevalent now

Hey, dude.. if everyone were universally able to conjure a fucking living REGARDLESS of economic input then we'd never even HAVE a poverty class or beggers in Calcutta. I hate to burst your fucking bubble but poverty is not merely a matter of laziness. Even hard working motherfuckers who HAVE invested in themselves are limited by opportunity which IS the direct result of a failing free market economy. Your bumper sticker bourgeois attitude is easy to take from your lofty fucking perch, im sure.

I suggest you go vote a little harder next election.. THAT, or stop pretending that your economic opinion means more than the fucking reality that we all see today.

 

[DiamondDave]

I have 40 year olds in class with me right now. I'm almost 30. My current career is not viable for me in the long run, so I took a student loan and enrolled in school to learn a new career. There are a LOT of 40 something's that are going to school either for the first time, or to re-train for something new. In this technology age, life-long education is a foregone conclusion.

But how can anyone ever survive without big mommy government to pick them up, dust off their bottoms, hand them $10 dollars, give them an ice cream, and go down and scold that big nasty bully of a business that made them feel bad because they no longer had use for their services

Ones like the far left and Shogun love to believe that people truly are incapable of taking care of themselves.. or that even when they can't, it is the absolute duty of a government to take care of all their personal needs, at the expense of everyone else around them...

It is amazing what any person can do when they have to.... but you never really get to see that with the nanny state mentality we have so prevalent now

Hey, dude.. if everyone were universally able to conjure a fucking living REGARDLESS of economic input then we'd never even HAVE a poverty class or beggers in Calcutta. I hate to burst your fucking bubble but poverty is not merely a matter of laziness. Even hard working motherfuckers who HAVE invested in themselves are limited by opportunity which IS the direct result of a failing free market economy. Your bumper sticker bourgeois attitude is easy to take from your lofty fucking perch, im sure.

I suggest you go vote a little harder next election.. THAT, or stop pretending that your economic opinion means more than the fucking reality that we all see today.

Yep.. there will always be poor.. there will always be ones that succeed more than others.... tough shit... such is life.. does not mean that you have the right to forcibly take from another for your need.... you need to work your fingers to the bone to feed and take care of yourself?? Well, bukko, that is your responsibility... you gotta scoop poop, to earn your way, even though you don't want to.... tough shit

And lofty fucking perch? I worked my way up from absofuckinglutely nothing.... and I would not be afraid to have to do it again... unlike ones who think life and society owes them a goddamn living

 

[Ravi]

You on the other hand, support food stamps for people going to school. But I'M the socialist.

Just because I post a topic doesn't mean I agree with it. You are on record many times saying people should pull themselves up by their bootstraps and not relying on the government for help. A student loan is relying on the government to help no matter how hard you spin it.

 

[Shogun]

Shogun, my girlfriend has a 50 year old woman in her LPN class right now. That woman will get a secure job that pays well as soon as she graduates. There's a huge demand for nurses right now. Healthcare is about the only section in my local paper's jobs classifieds that has more than a select few to pick from.

If age is being used as an excuse, I don't have much sympathy.

You expect a nation full of 50-60 year old to go back to college? And, be sure, the security that woman SHOULD be able to find may not be available at the end of the golden brick road. Talk to me after she graduates.

 

[Paulie]

Do you have relatives above the age of 40 who used to make a living in a factory? Are you telling me that they are going to *POOF* become a fucking java programmer if they "invest in themselves" rather than demand that an elected government protect domestic production from free market capitalists?

I have 40 year olds in class with me right now. I'm almost 30. My current career is not viable for me in the long run, so I took a student loan and enrolled in school to learn a new career. There are a LOT of 40 something's that are going to school either for the first time, or to re-train for something new. In this technology age, life-long education is a foregone conclusion.

And some CAN manage to *poof* become a java programmer after 40 years working a lathe.. But thats simply not what everyone can do. And, I wish you the best of luck in your new career path, but flooding the programming sector with former lathe operators won't do anything beyond drive the value of java programmers down. I realize the global mantra is to use jargon like "information age" and all but it's simply untrue that our former production class is going to find a superman phonebooth to become a bunch of silicon valley techs. Selling out America SOLs for some theoretical bullshit is exactly what I meant when I said that free marketers should complain about the smell after shitting in thier own house.

You're minimizing things by only mentioning Java programming. There's a plethora of re-training opportunities for people of all ages and all backgrounds.

The human mind is capable of so much, beyond most people's comprehension. To assume a 50 year old can't retrain into something else simply because they're 50 is not giving human beings much credit.

I'd probably hire a 50 year old who just received a degree in a new field, over a pimple-faced 22 year old who's probably never worked a meaningful job yet in his life, and most likely might still be into the party scene.

I'd probably offer the older person more benefit of the doubt, especially considering the possibility of a resume complete with an adult lifetime full of responsible and respectable job history.

There could be many benefits to being older in the labor pool. I'm not saying it in an absolute sense, believe me, but I certainly wouldn't write off a 40 or 50 something just based on age.

And that 50 year old nursing school student I mentioned already knows she's got a job available when she graduates. She worked at a hospital as an orderly, and that hospital knows she's re-training and is expecting to have her back when she finishes. It's only 10 months worth of school, and her salary is going to increase 300%. Granted, they already know her capabilities, but nurses are in shortage right now, and I seriously doubt that age is going to any kind of significant factor. Nurses work until retirement age. 50 years old is a fucking spring chicken as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Paulie]

You on the other hand, support food stamps for people going to school. But I'M the socialist.

Just because I post a topic doesn't mean I agree with it. You are on record many times saying people should pull themselves up by their bootstraps and not relying on the government for help. A student loan is relying on the government to help no matter how hard you spin it.

You're spinning ME, Rav. Just because I'm a libertarian doesn't mean I don't agree with the government helping out where it would be most profittable. Loaning students money to get a higher education is a good investment. It's win-win. You make a profit from the loan, and you get a skilled worker to add to the labor pool, and ultimately, the tax rolls. It isn't handing free money out to people who refuse to work. It's getting paid back PLUS a profit. I don't disagree with every single dollar the government spends, no matter how much you wish I did so you could validate your new sig.

You paint me with too broad of a brush. You're so desperate to catch me on something contradictory, that you've actually stooped to putting a spun generalization about me in your sig. I'm kind of flattered you like me that much, really. If I was single, I'd probably try and take our message board relationship to the next step and ask you out on a cyber date.

 

[Shogun]

I have 40 year olds in class with me right now. I'm almost 30. My current career is not viable for me in the long run, so I took a student loan and enrolled in school to learn a new career. There are a LOT of 40 something's that are going to school either for the first time, or to re-train for something new. In this technology age, life-long education is a foregone conclusion.

And some CAN manage to *poof* become a java programmer after 40 years working a lathe.. But thats simply not what everyone can do. And, I wish you the best of luck in your new career path, but flooding the programming sector with former lathe operators won't do anything beyond drive the value of java programmers down. I realize the global mantra is to use jargon like "information age" and all but it's simply untrue that our former production class is going to find a superman phonebooth to become a bunch of silicon valley techs. Selling out America SOLs for some theoretical bullshit is exactly what I meant when I said that free marketers should complain about the smell after shitting in thier own house.

You're minimizing things by only mentioning Java programming. There's a plethora of re-training opportunities for people of all ages and all backgrounds.

The human mind is capable of so much, beyond most people's comprehension. To assume a 50 year old can't retrain into something else simply because they're 50 is not giving human beings much credit.

I'd probably hire a 50 year old who just received a degree in a new field, over a pimple-faced 22 year old who's probably never worked a meaningful job yet in his life, and most likely might still be into the party scene.

I'd probably offer the older person more benefit of the doubt, especially considering the possibility of a resume complete with an adult lifetime full of responsible and respectable job history.

There could be many benefits to being older in the labor pool. I'm not saying it in an absolute sense, believe me, but I certainly wouldn't write off a 40 or 50 something just based on age.

And that 50 year old nursing school student I mentioned already knows she's got a job available when she graduates. She worked at a hospital as an orderly, and that hospital knows she's re-training and is expecting to have her back when she finishes. It's only 10 months worth of school, and her salary is going to increase 300%. Granted, they already know her capabilities, but nurses are in shortage right now, and I seriously doubt that age is going to any kind of significant factor. Nurses work until retirement age. 50 years old is a fucking spring chicken as far as I'm concerned.

Dude, going to nursing shcool is no more a panacea than ANY educational program is even if it provides something to do in between unemployment. Java Programmers are just one example. If whatever school you are going to floods the post-education market with former lathe workers then, guess what, there STILL remains a finite number of opportunities. And, around here in the midwest health businesses have been LAYING OFF Medical staff. So, praytell, what happens to your example when she graduates and finds no open doors in THIS profession just like her last one? And, I don't know hwere YOU have been lately but businesses don't tend to hire as many older workers than younger workers. Thats just asinine.

 

[Paulie]

And some CAN manage to *poof* become a java programmer after 40 years working a lathe.. But thats simply not what everyone can do. And, I wish you the best of luck in your new career path, but flooding the programming sector with former lathe operators won't do anything beyond drive the value of java programmers down. I realize the global mantra is to use jargon like "information age" and all but it's simply untrue that our former production class is going to find a superman phonebooth to become a bunch of silicon valley techs. Selling out America SOLs for some theoretical bullshit is exactly what I meant when I said that free marketers should complain about the smell after shitting in thier own house.

You're minimizing things by only mentioning Java programming. There's a plethora of re-training opportunities for people of all ages and all backgrounds.

The human mind is capable of so much, beyond most people's comprehension. To assume a 50 year old can't retrain into something else simply because they're 50 is not giving human beings much credit.

I'd probably hire a 50 year old who just received a degree in a new field, over a pimple-faced 22 year old who's probably never worked a meaningful job yet in his life, and most likely might still be into the party scene.

I'd probably offer the older person more benefit of the doubt, especially considering the possibility of a resume complete with an adult lifetime full of responsible and respectable job history.

There could be many benefits to being older in the labor pool. I'm not saying it in an absolute sense, believe me, but I certainly wouldn't write off a 40 or 50 something just based on age.

And that 50 year old nursing school student I mentioned already knows she's got a job available when she graduates. She worked at a hospital as an orderly, and that hospital knows she's re-training and is expecting to have her back when she finishes. It's only 10 months worth of school, and her salary is going to increase 300%. Granted, they already know her capabilities, but nurses are in shortage right now, and I seriously doubt that age is going to any kind of significant factor. Nurses work until retirement age. 50 years old is a fucking spring chicken as far as I'm concerned.

Dude, going to nursing shcool is no more a panacea than ANY educational program is even if it provides something to do in between unemployment. Java Programmers are just one example. If whatever school you are going to floods the post-education market with former lathe workers then, guess what, there STILL remains a finite number of opportunities. And, around here in the midwest health businesses have been LAYING OFF Medical staff. So, praytell, what happens to your example when she graduates and finds no open doors in THIS profession just like her last one? And, I don't know hwere YOU have been lately but businesses don't tend to hire as many older workers than younger workers. Thats just asinine.

Listen I agree with you that it sucks that machinists are losing work because we don't manufacture anymore in this country. I'm a big opponent of the shift from production to consumption. But to sit and cry about the lost opportunities instead of trying to adapt to the changes is pathetic. If you can operate machinery, you could go to a Tech school and learn auto mechanics. It's similar, and it's a good profession that isn't going anywhere.

When the economy was prospering, the newspaper was full of jobs. We're in a downturn right now, and jobs are scarce. That doesn't mean it ought to be used to mitigate the importance of continued learning. The economy will pick up again, and jobs will be there. Who benefits the most? The ones who are educated and have that degree. There are millions of jobs to eventually be gotten back, so why not go to school now and update your qualifications? You may just strike oil.

I don't know, dude. I'm not as negative as you I guess. I look for the potentials in a situation. If I'm 50, I can sit around crying about manufacturing being outsourced, or I can adapt to the changes and update myself. Complaining and crying doesnt pay my bills.

 

[Shogun]

You're minimizing things by only mentioning Java programming. There's a plethora of re-training opportunities for people of all ages and all backgrounds.

The human mind is capable of so much, beyond most people's comprehension. To assume a 50 year old can't retrain into something else simply because they're 50 is not giving human beings much credit.

I'd probably hire a 50 year old who just received a degree in a new field, over a pimple-faced 22 year old who's probably never worked a meaningful job yet in his life, and most likely might still be into the party scene.

I'd probably offer the older person more benefit of the doubt, especially considering the possibility of a resume complete with an adult lifetime full of responsible and respectable job history.

There could be many benefits to being older in the labor pool. I'm not saying it in an absolute sense, believe me, but I certainly wouldn't write off a 40 or 50 something just based on age.

And that 50 year old nursing school student I mentioned already knows she's got a job available when she graduates. She worked at a hospital as an orderly, and that hospital knows she's re-training and is expecting to have her back when she finishes. It's only 10 months worth of school, and her salary is going to increase 300%. Granted, they already know her capabilities, but nurses are in shortage right now, and I seriously doubt that age is going to any kind of significant factor. Nurses work until retirement age. 50 years old is a fucking spring chicken as far as I'm concerned.

Dude, going to nursing shcool is no more a panacea than ANY educational program is even if it provides something to do in between unemployment. Java Programmers are just one example. If whatever school you are going to floods the post-education market with former lathe workers then, guess what, there STILL remains a finite number of opportunities. And, around here in the midwest health businesses have been LAYING OFF Medical staff. So, praytell, what happens to your example when she graduates and finds no open doors in THIS profession just like her last one? And, I don't know hwere YOU have been lately but businesses don't tend to hire as many older workers than younger workers. Thats just asinine.

Listen I agree with you that it sucks that machinists are losing work because we don't manufacture anymore in this country. I'm a big opponent of the shift from production to consumption. But to sit and cry about the lost opportunities instead of trying to adapt to the changes is pathetic. If you can operate machinery, you could go to a Tech school and learn auto mechanics. It's similar, and it's a good profession that isn't going anywhere.

When the economy was prospering, the newspaper was full of jobs. We're in a downturn right now, and jobs are scarce. That doesn't mean it ought to be used to mitigate the importance of continued learning. The economy will pick up again, and jobs will be there. Who benefits the most? The ones who are educated and have that degree. There are millions of jobs to eventually be gotten back, so why not go to school now and update your qualifications? You may just strike oil.

I don't know, dude. I'm not as negative as you I guess. I look for the potentials in a situation. If I'm 50, I can sit around crying about manufacturing being outsourced, or I can adapt to the changes and update myself. Complaining and crying doesnt pay my bills.

You are mistaken.. no one is sitting around merely complaining. Indeed, we are voting free marketers out of office and THAT, my friend, is why your side feels the need to complain about "tyranny of the majoirty" in threads like this. Again, finite opportunities won't multiply exponentially just because lots of desperate people go to nursing school.


I guess i'm a bit more realisitic than you, dude. Which, to be honest, is aldready indicative given which one of us believes in the free market fallacy and which of us is not aobut to hop on a WSJ bumper sticker bandwagon.

 

[Ravi]

You on the other hand, support food stamps for people going to school. But I'M the socialist.

Just because I post a topic doesn't mean I agree with it. You are on record many times saying people should pull themselves up by their bootstraps and not relying on the government for help. A student loan is relying on the government to help no matter how hard you spin it.

You're spinning ME, Rav. Just because I'm a libertarian doesn't mean I don't agree with the government helping out where it would be most profittable. Loaning students money to get a higher education is a good investment. It's win-win. You make a profit from the loan, and you get a skilled worker to add to the labor pool, and ultimately, the tax rolls. It isn't handing free money out to people who refuse to work. It's getting paid back PLUS a profit. I don't disagree with every single dollar the government spends, no matter how much you wish I did so you could validate your new sig.

You paint me with too broad of a brush. You're so desperate to catch me on something contradictory, that you've actually stooped to putting a spun generalization about me in your sig. I'm kind of flattered you like me that much, really. If I was single, I'd probably try and take our message board relationship to the next step and ask you out on a cyber date.

Don't be too flattered. It's kind of a hobby of mine to point out that the majority of libertarians believe that the government has no business helping its citizens unless those citizens happen to be the libertarian making the claim.

 

[Paulie]

Just because I post a topic doesn't mean I agree with it. You are on record many times saying people should pull themselves up by their bootstraps and not relying on the government for help. A student loan is relying on the government to help no matter how hard you spin it.

You're spinning ME, Rav. Just because I'm a libertarian doesn't mean I don't agree with the government helping out where it would be most profittable. Loaning students money to get a higher education is a good investment. It's win-win. You make a profit from the loan, and you get a skilled worker to add to the labor pool, and ultimately, the tax rolls. It isn't handing free money out to people who refuse to work. It's getting paid back PLUS a profit. I don't disagree with every single dollar the government spends, no matter how much you wish I did so you could validate your new sig.

You paint me with too broad of a brush. You're so desperate to catch me on something contradictory, that you've actually stooped to putting a spun generalization about me in your sig. I'm kind of flattered you like me that much, really. If I was single, I'd probably try and take our message board relationship to the next step and ask you out on a cyber date.

Don't be too flattered. It's kind of a hobby of mine to point out that the majority of libertarians believe that the government has no business helping its citizens unless those citizens happen to be the libertarian making the claim.

That makes no sense. I advocate student loans for anyone who wishes to receive a higher education. I don't fucking care if you're a libertarian or not.

You keep trying Rav, but you keep failing. And FUCK if it isn't making you look dumber by the post.

 

[Paulie]

Dude, going to nursing shcool is no more a panacea than ANY educational program is even if it provides something to do in between unemployment. Java Programmers are just one example. If whatever school you are going to floods the post-education market with former lathe workers then, guess what, there STILL remains a finite number of opportunities. And, around here in the midwest health businesses have been LAYING OFF Medical staff. So, praytell, what happens to your example when she graduates and finds no open doors in THIS profession just like her last one? And, I don't know hwere YOU have been lately but businesses don't tend to hire as many older workers than younger workers. Thats just asinine.

Listen I agree with you that it sucks that machinists are losing work because we don't manufacture anymore in this country. I'm a big opponent of the shift from production to consumption. But to sit and cry about the lost opportunities instead of trying to adapt to the changes is pathetic. If you can operate machinery, you could go to a Tech school and learn auto mechanics. It's similar, and it's a good profession that isn't going anywhere.

When the economy was prospering, the newspaper was full of jobs. We're in a downturn right now, and jobs are scarce. That doesn't mean it ought to be used to mitigate the importance of continued learning. The economy will pick up again, and jobs will be there. Who benefits the most? The ones who are educated and have that degree. There are millions of jobs to eventually be gotten back, so why not go to school now and update your qualifications? You may just strike oil.

I don't know, dude. I'm not as negative as you I guess. I look for the potentials in a situation. If I'm 50, I can sit around crying about manufacturing being outsourced, or I can adapt to the changes and update myself. Complaining and crying doesnt pay my bills.

You are mistaken.. no one is sitting around merely complaining. Indeed, we are voting free marketers out of office and THAT, my friend, is why your side feels the need to complain about "tyranny of the majoirty" in threads like this. Again, finite opportunities won't multiply exponentially just because lots of desperate people go to nursing school.


I guess i'm a bit more realisitic than you, dude. Which, to be honest, is aldready indicative given which one of us believes in the free market fallacy and which of us is not aobut to hop on a WSJ bumper sticker bandwagon.

Opportunities are always going to be finite. The realistic way of looking at it is to adapt to the changes as best you can, rather than wallow in the self-pity inducement.

From what I'm gathering, you think in an absolute sense, that because you're a machinist who's lost his job marketability due to the loss of manufacturing in this country, you are screwed for life.

I think otherwise. I think you still have options before you grab the gun and stick it into your mouth.

And by the way, here's some LPN opportunities in and around Kansas City:

213 jobs found within 30 miles of Kansas City, MO

 

[Shogun]

Listen I agree with you that it sucks that machinists are losing work because we don't manufacture anymore in this country. I'm a big opponent of the shift from production to consumption. But to sit and cry about the lost opportunities instead of trying to adapt to the changes is pathetic. If you can operate machinery, you could go to a Tech school and learn auto mechanics. It's similar, and it's a good profession that isn't going anywhere.

When the economy was prospering, the newspaper was full of jobs. We're in a downturn right now, and jobs are scarce. That doesn't mean it ought to be used to mitigate the importance of continued learning. The economy will pick up again, and jobs will be there. Who benefits the most? The ones who are educated and have that degree. There are millions of jobs to eventually be gotten back, so why not go to school now and update your qualifications? You may just strike oil.

I don't know, dude. I'm not as negative as you I guess. I look for the potentials in a situation. If I'm 50, I can sit around crying about manufacturing being outsourced, or I can adapt to the changes and update myself. Complaining and crying doesnt pay my bills.

You are mistaken.. no one is sitting around merely complaining. Indeed, we are voting free marketers out of office and THAT, my friend, is why your side feels the need to complain about "tyranny of the majoirty" in threads like this. Again, finite opportunities won't multiply exponentially just because lots of desperate people go to nursing school.


I guess i'm a bit more realisitic than you, dude. Which, to be honest, is aldready indicative given which one of us believes in the free market fallacy and which of us is not aobut to hop on a WSJ bumper sticker bandwagon.

Opportunities are always going to be finite. The realistic way of looking at it is to adapt to the changes as best you can, rather than wallow in the self-pity inducement.

From what I'm gathering, you think in an absolute sense, that because you're a machinist who's lost his job marketability due to the loss of manufacturing in this country, you are screwed for life.

I think otherwise. I think you still have options before you grab the gun and stick it into your mouth.

And by the way, here's some LPN opportunities in and around Kansas City:

213 jobs found within 30 miles of Kansas City, MO

No, the realistic way is to stop selling out our nation so that a small fraction of our free market WSJ citizens can feel smart while our economy mimicks the fucking hindenburg. And no, individually people dowhat they have to do. But, pretending thatgoing to nursing school is going to save your ass when a million motherfuckers have the SAME PLAN is just outright stupid. Having options doesn't speak on the reduced American SOL which is the product of your economic opinion. Sure, sure.. former business owners can always go stock shelves at wal mart for minimum wage. If THAT is the kind of economy you want then I suggest you work harder to get your like minded peeps to vote next time around. As it is, the people see how your dangled carrot is rotten and have refused to give a fuck what some talking head thinks about a free market.

Again, THIS is why you people avoid talking baout trade deficits like it's the fucking black death al over again.

 

[Shogun]

ps, NOW take a gander at the population of KC and surrounding areas and tell me you think 213 jobs are sufficient. Hell, I had more than that in my graduation class in HIGH SCHOOL.

 

[sealybobo]

WASHINGTON - Congressional Republicans tested President Barack Obama's bipartisan ambitions Tuesday during meetings in the Capitol, where he heard out opposition lawmakers disenchanted with the new administration's plans to spend $825 billion to rescue the economy. (REPUBLICANS WILL OBSTRUCT PROGRESS EVERY CHANCE THEY GET. JUST LIKE RUSH LIMBAUGH, THEY WANT OBAMA AND THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS TO FAIL. THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT THE RICHEST 10% OF US)

At every opportunity, Obama has taken his case for the unprecedented spending and tax cut measure to the American public, trying to chip away at the doubts of Republicans in both the House and Senate. They complain the measure should be tilted more heavily toward tax cutting.

WOW! THE REPUBLICANS THINK MORE TAX BREAKS ARE THE SOLUTION. GO FIGURE. PERHAPS THEY SHOULD JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP AND DO WHAT THEY ARE TOLD. WE VOTED IN NOVEMBER FOR THEM TO STOP MAKING POLICIES BECAUSE THEY WERE HORRIBLE AT IT!!!! SO WHO GIVES A FUCK WHAT THEY THINK NOW. OBAMA NEEDS TO TELL THEM TO GET ON BOARD OR GO TO HELL. WE'RE GOING TO PASS HIS SPENDING BILL WITH OR WITHOUT HIM.

BUT I'M SURE OBAMA WILL GIVE THEM THE PORK AND TAX BREAKS THEY NO DOUBT ARE DEMANDING.

 

[sealybobo]

The statistics every day underscore the urgency of the economic situation, and the American people expect action," the new Democratic president said in brief remarks before heading into a private meeting with Senate Republicans. "I don't expect 100 percent agreement from my Republican colleagues, but I do hope we can put politics aside."

Obama's decision to meet lawmakers on their home turf is symbolic of his desire for bipartisan backing for the stimulus plan even though fellow Democrats hold sufficient majorities in both houses to pass the measure, regardless.

Obama pushes economic plan in Congress - White House- msnbc.com

So we don't need the GOP. Obama is just trying to "work with" the GOP. Let us see if that is possible. I don't think it is, because the GOP doesn't want anything the Dems want.

They want the economy to work only for the rich, the Dems want it to work for everyone.

The Dems want good paying jobs. The GOP want tax breaks for the corporations that are moving overseas.

Etc

 

[WillowTree]

The statistics every day underscore the urgency of the economic situation, and the American people expect action," the new Democratic president said in brief remarks before heading into a private meeting with Senate Republicans. "I don't expect 100 percent agreement from my Republican colleagues, but I do hope we can put politics aside."

Obama's decision to meet lawmakers on their home turf is symbolic of his desire for bipartisan backing for the stimulus plan even though fellow Democrats hold sufficient majorities in both houses to pass the measure, regardless.

Obama pushes economic plan in Congress - White House- msnbc.com

So we don't need the GOP. Obama is just trying to "work with" the GOP. Let us see if that is possible. I don't think it is, because the GOP doesn't want anything the Dems want.

They want the economy to work only for the rich, the Dems want it to work for everyone.

The Dems want good paying jobs. The GOP want tax breaks for the corporations that are moving overseas.

Etc

Every member of the GOP worth his salt will vote no. Let the Dems do it on their own. Let them own it.

 

[sealybobo]

The statistics every day underscore the urgency of the economic situation, and the American people expect action," the new Democratic president said in brief remarks before heading into a private meeting with Senate Republicans. "I don't expect 100 percent agreement from my Republican colleagues, but I do hope we can put politics aside."

Obama's decision to meet lawmakers on their home turf is symbolic of his desire for bipartisan backing for the stimulus plan even though fellow Democrats hold sufficient majorities in both houses to pass the measure, regardless.

Obama pushes economic plan in Congress - White House- msnbc.com

So we don't need the GOP. Obama is just trying to "work with" the GOP. Let us see if that is possible. I don't think it is, because the GOP doesn't want anything the Dems want.

They want the economy to work only for the rich, the Dems want it to work for everyone.

The Dems want good paying jobs. The GOP want tax breaks for the corporations that are moving overseas.

Etc

Every member of the GOP worth his salt will vote no. Let the Dems do it on their own. Let them own it.

I guess what you and the GOP need to understand is that as hard as you work against us, is just how hard we will make it on you.

And we own this bitch for at least 2 years, so its going to be a looooong 2 years. Heck, make it 4, no, 8 years.

For you and Bitch McConnell, its going to be a long 8 years.

And get used to hearing the name Bitch McConnell, because he's the new Bush. The new Corporate Fascist figure head. Him and Boehner.