Where is the F--king leadership?

1. What's the basis for believing those nations are pissed off?
2. Poland isn't a long-time US ally. Hell, it's been an enemy within the past two decades.

Poles, Czechs: U.S. Missile Defense Shift A "Betrayal"

From a leftist blog, no less.

Obama has fucked our credibility to the point that noone will trust us. There are those who may have disliked Bush, but at least you knew what he stood for, and he kept his word.

Besides failing horrifically on Iran, he has now admitted Gitmo won't be closed by year end - so where is the leftwing media backlash for that?

First, Huffington Post isn't a blog.
Second, the article you linked to was not written a Huffington Post writer, it was written by the Associated Press.
Third, the article is just a mash of statements by right-wing Czech politicans and right-wing Polish newspaper who opposed the decision. Czechs and Poles overall, however, were very much opposed to the program and are glad to see it go.
 
One of the most important things he has done is to tell the rest of the world is that he is not BushCheney.

Along with pissing off longtime, strong allies, like the UK, France, South Korea, Czech Republic, Poland, Israel...anyone else I leave off the list?

And that's the same crap the democruds have attacked the republicans for, just sitting on the sideline declaring what they are not, rather than what they are for.

How long is he going to stand up and pontificate without taking action against iran? N Korea? Or the disaster of an economy?

I think those allies appreciated the straight talk. You really don't understand the damage BushCheney did to America's international interests.

Iran and North Korea. Complex foreign policy issues indeed. The important point though is that Obama when he speaks on these issues is dealing with them as foreign policy issues and not trying to send a "FIGJAM" message to the folks back in Peoria.
 
funny this one surrounded his self with losers who quit from tax evasion :lol:

Nam, the guy you support had seven years to catch the murderer of 3000 Americans, on American soil. He was too interested in starting a war based on lies in Iraq. And overseeing the destruction, not only of our economy, but that of the world. All for the profits of his extremely rich oil buddies, some of whose names end in Bin Laden.

President Barack Hussien Obama is put the peices back together, domestically, and in foriegn policy. You cannot rememdy eight years of incompetance, corruption, greed, and ignorance in the space of a few months.

By October 2010, you will be able to see positive results in all of these fields. Then you will be whining about how it was all arranged for the mid-term elections:lol:
 
First, Huffington Post isn't a blog.

Even better.

Second, the article you linked to was not written a Huffington Post writer, it was written by the Associated Press.

Better still.

Third, the article is just a mash of statements by right-wing Czech politicans and right-wing Polish newspaper who opposed the decision. Czechs and Poles overall, however, were very much opposed to the program and are glad to see it go.

LOL, so everyone in either country's government who is mentioned is "right-wing" - so their opinion is invalid to you?

And in a democracy, generally speaking I would take the opinions of leadership over that of the average "joe" who knows and understands nothing of missile defense.

Bottom line, in stead of trying to score brownie points for your dipshit president, you should be looking at the larger issue - that the US asked these nations' governments to expend significant political capital to help initiate the missile def system, and then we turned around and stabbed them in the back, merely to placate.

Do you see a pattern here, with this, the chinese lambasting Obama in his most recent visit, the moving of the KSM trial to a criminal court - these are signs of weakness and placating the WORST elements of society here and abroad.

He is doing his best it would seem to A) guarantee he is a one-term president B) he will end the chances of a democratic being re-elected to the WH for another 25 years.

His moves are so incredibly weak you'd think he, Pelosi, and Reid were plants by Republicans to ensure they are re-elected to power for the next 50 years...
 
One of the most important things he has done is to tell the rest of the world is that he is not BushCheney.

Along with pissing off longtime, strong allies, like the UK, France, South Korea, Czech Republic, Poland, Israel...anyone else I leave off the list?

And that's the same crap the democruds have attacked the republicans for, just sitting on the sideline declaring what they are not, rather than what they are for.

How long is he going to stand up and pontificate without taking action against iran? N Korea? Or the disaster of an economy?

I think those allies appreciated the straight talk. You really don't understand the damage BushCheney did to America's international interests.


Iran and North Korea. Complex foreign policy issues indeed. The important point though is that Obama when he speaks on these issues is dealing with them as foreign policy issues and not trying to send a "FIGJAM" message to the folks back in Peoria.

Appreciated us so much they will probably pull out of Afghanistan.
 
First, Huffington Post isn't a blog.

Even better.

Second, the article you linked to was not written a Huffington Post writer, it was written by the Associated Press.

Better still.

Third, the article is just a mash of statements by right-wing Czech politicans and right-wing Polish newspaper who opposed the decision. Czechs and Poles overall, however, were very much opposed to the program and are glad to see it go.

LOL, so everyone in either country's government who is mentioned is "right-wing" - so their opinion is invalid to you?

And in a democracy, generally speaking I would take the opinions of leadership over that of the average "joe" who knows and understands nothing of missile defense.

Bottom line, in stead of trying to score brownie points for your dipshit president, you should be looking at the larger issue - that the US asked these nations' governments to expend significant political capital to help initiate the missile def system, and then we turned around and stabbed them in the back, merely to placate.

We didn't "stab them in the back". The program was very unpopular in both nations. Furthermore, in neither case was the person quoted in the article a member of the nation's leadership. The Polish politician quoted in the article is a lame duck waiting out his term in office, having already lost control of the legislature in 2007 to a party which campaigned heavily on withdraw of Polish forces from Iraq and against the missile defense deal. The same party, in new polling out today, who gain even more seats if the election were held now. The Czech politician quoted as been out office since 2003.

Do you see a pattern here, with this, the chinese lambasting Obama in his most recent visit, the moving of the KSM trial to a criminal court - these are signs of weakness and placating the WORST elements of society here and abroad.

Putting a suspect on trial is a sign of weakness? That's laughable.
 
We didn't "stab them in the back". The program was very unpopular in both nations.

Says who? I do not know how old you are, but I easily remember the protests by far leftists/socialists/communists and college students against Reagan's tough stand and missile placement in europe in the 1980s, and while these demonstrations attracted the leftist media attention as usual, not only did they not represent the bulk of europeans, but they were dead wrong.

Furthermore, in neither case was the person quoted in the article a member of the nation's leadership. The Polish politician quoted in the article is a lame duck waiting out his term in office, having already lost control of the legislature in 2007 to a party which campaigned heavily on withdraw of Polish forces from Iraq and against the missile defense deal. The same party, in new polling out today, who gain even more seats if the election were held now. The Czech politician quoted as been out office since 2003.

All of this is nonsense; the parliaments CURRENTLY IN OFFICE passed laws AFAIK accepting the deployment, and if the public was as hostile as you claim, then they would have had to really work hard to get the bills passed - even proving my point further.

These parlimentarians worked hard to support the initiative, then they got stabbed in the back.

Putting a suspect on trial is a sign of weakness? That's laughable.

No, putting them on trial IN A CIVILIAN COURT with civilian rules is the issue. You need to read more on the difference between civilian criminal court and military before making that statement, as you clearly do no know the difference.
 
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We didn't "stab them in the back". The program was very unpopular in both nations.

Says who? I do not know how old you are, but I easily remember the protests by far leftists/socialists/communists and college students against Reagan's tough stand and missile placement in europe in the 1980s, and while these demonstrations attracted the leftist media attention as usual, not only did they not represent the bulk of europeans, but they were dead wrong.

Public option data from both countries.

Unlike its conservative predecessor, the Tusk government hasn't made the weapons system a central foreign policy issue. In fact, Tusk may even support Obama's decision. Ultimately, Tusk wants to get re-elected as president, and the missile shield has proven extremely unpopular with voters. More than half of Poles surveyed say they are against it, with only 29 percent supporting the shield.

Poles React: Warsaw Fears Washington Losing Interest in Eastern Allies - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

Topolanek, whose government signed treaties with the Bush administration to build the radar system and took a lot of heat from a majority of Czechs who opposed the plan, said the Obama administration's moves toward Russia raise questions about "whether the United States is stepping back from the region of Central and Eastern Europe in exchange for better relations with Russia."

Czech PM, NATO Back New Missile Defense - CBS News

And guess what? Both nations were very happy with plans to place other assets inside their borders.
Czech PM, NATO Back New Missile Defense - CBS News
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/22/world/europe/22biden.html?_r=1

Furthermore, in neither case was the person quoted in the article a member of the nation's leadership. The Polish politician quoted in the article is a lame duck waiting out his term in office, having already lost control of the legislature in 2007 to a party which campaigned heavily on withdraw of Polish forces from Iraq and against the missile defense deal. The same party, in new polling out today, who gain even more seats if the election were held now. The Czech politician quoted as been out office since 2003.

All of this is nonsense; the parliaments CURRENTLY IN OFFICE passed laws AFAIK accepting the deployment, and if the public was as hostile as you claim, then they would have had to really work hard to get the bills passed - even proving my point further.

These parlimentarians worked hard to support the initiative, then they got stabbed in the back.

False. Most of the negotiations occurred with the previous Polish adminstration.

Putting a suspect on trial is a sign of weakness? That's laughable.

No, putting them on trial IN A CIVILIAN COURT with civilian rules is the issue. You need to read more on the difference between civilian criminal court and military before making that statement, as you clearly do no know the difference.

I know the difference, and I also know to think that it shows weakness is pretty moronic.
 
Public option data from both countries.

Which can easily be manipulated.

And guess what? Both nations were very happy with plans to place other assets inside their borders.

From your own link:

" But in the Czech Republic, biting comments from former but still influential political figures tainted the atmosphere ahead of Biden's arrival.

Biden "should clearly explain the reasons that led the Obama administration to its decision not to build a radar in the Czech Republic," Former Prime Minister Mirek Topolanek said in a statement prior to the vice president's arrival..

Topolanek, whose government signed treaties with the Bush administration to build the radar system and took a lot of heat from a majority of Czechs who opposed the plan, said the Obama administration's moves toward Russia raise questions about "whether the United States is stepping back from the region of Central and Eastern Europe in exchange for better relations with Russia."

Former Czech President Vaclav Havel told the U.S.-funded Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty that he expected Biden to "make it clear that America is interested in us, that someone else has not pushed us out of America's field of vision."


I know the difference, and I also know to think that it shows weakness is pretty moronic.

Clearly you do not, since the defendants could force the prosecutor to show evidence, which is required in a criminal trial - and the feds will be forced to do so if they wish to continue the trial. You clearly are not an attorney nor have a legal background.

You are pressing for the "openness" of a civilian trial, yet fail to grasp how doing so creates the very problems we are trying to avoid: the dissemination of intelligence gathering methods.

You cannot have both, an open civilian trial, yet prosecution with closed evidentiary proceedings.

Further, Bin Laden himself has been quoted as having culled important information from the 1993 Ramzi Youssef trial in applying future methods.

There is no justifiable reasons outside of pandering to this shit of the earth - the far left garbage - for even opening a potential can of worms here. There is nothing to be gained - and a whole lot that could be lost.
 
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Obama has destroyed the mythology of Islamic extremism. After he made his speech in Cairo, Hezbollah lost the election in Lebanon, Pakistan attacked the Taliban, and the Mullahs had to fight down a revolution in Iran. That's leadership.

The morons on the right wouldn't know leadership if it bit them in the ass.

Says the mindless lefty drone.
 
Public option data from both countries.

Which can easily be manipulated.

And guess what? Both nations were very happy with plans to place other assets inside their borders.

From your own link:

" But in the Czech Republic, biting comments from former but still influential political figures tainted the atmosphere ahead of Biden's arrival.

Biden "should clearly explain the reasons that led the Obama administration to its decision not to build a radar in the Czech Republic," Former Prime Minister Mirek Topolanek said in a statement prior to the vice president's arrival..

Topolanek, whose government signed treaties with the Bush administration to build the radar system and took a lot of heat from a majority of Czechs who opposed the plan, said the Obama administration's moves toward Russia raise questions about "whether the United States is stepping back from the region of Central and Eastern Europe in exchange for better relations with Russia."

Former Czech President Vaclav Havel told the U.S.-funded Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty that he expected Biden to "make it clear that America is interested in us, that someone else has not pushed us out of America's field of vision."

Thanks for proving my point, dumbass.

I know the difference, and I also know to think that it shows weakness is pretty moronic.

Clearly you do not, since the defendants could force the prosecutor to show evidence, which is required in a criminal trial - and the feds will be forced to do so if they wish to continue the trial. You clearly are not an attorney nor have a legal background.

Coming from someone who thinks he's an attorney because he's watched a few episodes of Matlock, that's pretty darn funny.

You are pressing for the "openness" of a civilian trial, yet fail to grasp how doing so creates the very problems we are trying to avoid: the dissemination of intelligence gathering methods.

You cannot have both, an open civilian trial, yet prosecution with closed evidentiary proceedings.

Further, Bin Laden himself has been quoted as having culled important information from the 1993 Ramzi Youssef trial in applying future methods.

There is no justifiable reasons outside of pandering to this shit of the earth - the far left garbage - for even opening a potential can of worms here. There is nothing to be gained - and a whole lot that could be lost.

You really know nothing about the legal system.
 
Thanks for proving my point, dumbass.

What point was that **** scumbag? I was trying to keep this civil, but now you've opended the fucking door, and I will light you up if you want to pull that shit, moron.

The politicians can easily be re-elected fucktard, and the country's populace, whether they liked the defense plan or not, will remember we did a 180 on them - or are you too fucking stupid to grasp that point?

Coming from someone who thinks he's an attorney because he's watched a few episodes of Matlock, that's pretty darn funny.

Excellent non response from a moron, get back onto the topic or fuck off, trolling douchebag.

You really know nothing about the legal system.

Ugh, a moron troll, clearly I was wasting my time with a typical leftist troll asshole. Fuck off idiot.
 

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