Where have all the Conservatives Gone?

[Oddball]

The entire "republican *chuckle* revolution" of '94 (which included John Boehner, BTW) and the election of the Shrub were watershed moments of the neocon movement.

Save for a few picayune policy trifles, virtually every "mainstream" media righty, including many who cynically attempt to claim the 'libertarian" mantle, touts the neocon globalist agenda.

The claim that there is no neocon movement, especially coming from one of its prime sources of information, just doesn't fly.

 

[hortysir]

Oh, I don't mean just people who call themselves conservatives; I mean the people who call themselves the real conservatives, the proudly hardcore

small government conservatives, the ones

1. who think the EPA, and FEMA, and the Department of Energy (for starters) are unconstitutional.

2. who think that if the Constitution doesn't say the government can do it, then the government can't do it.

3. who think the states can take of themselves.

4. who think the federal government over-regulates corporations.

Where did these folks disappear to? Is there an undisclosed location that all the small government laissez-faire states rightsers flee to when real life makes their agenda look ridiculous?

Seems the only so-called conservatives around for the moment are ones who blame the federal government for not doing enough with the oil spill, who blame the federal government for not sufficiently regulating the oil industry, who are attacking the president for not using the power and money of big central government to take care of the states affected.

Seems the only conservatives around for the moment are the ones that the self-proclaimed 'real' conservatives used to hold up as examples of what is wrong with the GOP and the right...

...although some of them bear a striking similarity to the 'real' conservatives. Sometimes it appears as if they are actually the same persons, in disguise. Could that be possible??

Come out come out wherever you are.

We're being drowned out by the extremists (Palin, Rush, Hannity, Beck, et.al.) that are distracting the media to their rantings.
The following quote is proof of it....

Seems our "Drill, baby, Drill" conservatives are AWOL at the moment. Or, like the Alaska Loon, trying to blame environmentalists for being correct about the oil companies priorities.

 

[Oddball]

If Palin, Rush, Hannity, Beck, are "extremists", then I'm Lysander Spooner.

 

[Foxfyre]

The entire "republican *chuckle* revolution" of '94 (which included John Boehner, BTW) and the election of the Shrub were watershed moments of the neocon movement.

Save for a few picayune policy trifles, virtually every "mainstream" media righty, including many who cynically attempt to claim the 'libertarian" mantle, touts the neocon globalist agenda.

The claim that there is no neocon movement, especially coming from one of its prime sources of information, just doesn't fly.

But true conservatives, including the Tea Partiers, have rejected virtually all the neocon policies of Bush, Boehner, et al. Horowitz did not say that there has NEVER been a neocon movement. He is saying that there isn't one now.

Boehner for instance is talking a very different game these days. I honestly don't know Horowitz well enough to know whether he has also amended his emphasis about what is important, etc. John Mccain certainly is doing so though I'm not sure anybody is believing him.

 

[hortysir]

If Palin, Rush, Hannity, Beck, are "extremists", then I'm Lysander Spooner.

I was using the lefty's definition
Rush and Beck are, IMO, the most extreme as they are the ones grabbing the spotlight.
All 4 of 'em, being in the spotlight so much, invariably end up saying something totally stupid and fucking things up for the rest.

 

[Oddball]

The entire "republican *chuckle* revolution" of '94 (which included John Boehner, BTW) and the election of the Shrub were watershed moments of the neocon movement.

Save for a few picayune policy trifles, virtually every "mainstream" media righty, including many who cynically attempt to claim the 'libertarian" mantle, touts the neocon globalist agenda.

The claim that there is no neocon movement, especially coming from one of its prime sources of information, just doesn't fly.

But true conservatives, including the Tea Partiers, have rejected virtually all the neocon policies of Bush, Boehner, et al. Horowitz did not say that there has NEVER been a neocon movement. He is saying that there isn't one now.

Boehner for instance is talking a very different game these days. I honestly don't know Horowitz well enough to know whether he has also amended his emphasis about what is important, etc. John Mccain certainly is doing so though I'm not sure anybody is believing him.

That's kinda the point as well.

Neocons are the sort of Bubba Clintoon political chameleons of the right...More interested in the power as an end unto itself, rather than using that power in accordance as to they campaigned to obtain it.

 

[Foxfyre]

The entire "republican *chuckle* revolution" of '94 (which included John Boehner, BTW) and the election of the Shrub were watershed moments of the neocon movement.

Save for a few picayune policy trifles, virtually every "mainstream" media righty, including many who cynically attempt to claim the 'libertarian" mantle, touts the neocon globalist agenda.

The claim that there is no neocon movement, especially coming from one of its prime sources of information, just doesn't fly.

But true conservatives, including the Tea Partiers, have rejected virtually all the neocon policies of Bush, Boehner, et al. Horowitz did not say that there has NEVER been a neocon movement. He is saying that there isn't one now.

Boehner for instance is talking a very different game these days. I honestly don't know Horowitz well enough to know whether he has also amended his emphasis about what is important, etc. John Mccain certainly is doing so though I'm not sure anybody is believing him.

That's kinda the point as well.

Neocons are the sort of Bubba Clintoon political chameleons of the right...More interested in the power as an end unto itself, rather than using that power in accordance as to they campaigned to obtain it.

Well some certainly fit that description. But I don't believe that all do. I think there was a genuine belief that freedom and democracy and 'the American way" could be pushed on people--that people could be persuaded to embrace that. That was the whole emphasis behind the rebuilding of Iraq and was interwoven with humanitarian concerns that in themselves were part of the larger agenda.

There was nothing wrong with the motive.

The problem was whether the philosophy itself was flawed in an unrepairable way.

Only time will tell about that.

 

[antagon]

should we check teh value of the dollar before and after 1913? what about before nixon dropped us completely and after? Ending the federal reserve would be the smartest thing this country could do. Would automatically stop the social program advocates and war hawks in their tracks.

should we check the prominence of the US in the world before and after 1913?

there is nothing smart about dropping the fed or the gold standard, whatsoever. take your 'value of the dollar' as an example of nothing smart. would you prefer a 100-year deflationary trend? what do you think the implications of that would be?

"Prominence of the US in the world" as in the federal gubmint butting its military nose into everyone else's business?

I could live without that.

i bet you could, dude, but instead you live in the united states and just bitch about what providence was earned in part by our military. furthermore, the prominence which i am referring to goes well beyond our armed forces to the nature and success of our economy.

 

[Political Junky]

Michelle Bachmann called for Obama to commandeer ships to go to the Gulf. This is now considered Conservative? Teabaggers seem to love her.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Libruls are so mean spirited; I don't understand their negativity all the time. Here they have the Congress and the Presidency and they are unhappy and complaining about conservatives who are currently powerless to stop their evil ways.

Go ahead and enact all your wacko spending programs and tax hikes. Where are the conservatives? We're sitting on our front porch and we can see November from there.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Oh, I don't mean just people who call themselves conservatives; I mean the people who call themselves the real conservatives, the proudly hardcore

small government conservatives, the ones

1. who think the EPA, and FEMA, and the Department of Energy (for starters) are unconstitutional.

2. who think that if the Constitution doesn't say the government can do it, then the government can't do it.

3. who think the states can take of themselves.

4. who think the federal government over-regulates corporations.

Where did these folks disappear to? Is there an undisclosed location that all the small government laissez-faire states rightsers flee to when real life makes their agenda look ridiculous?

Seems the only so-called conservatives around for the moment are ones who blame the federal government for not doing enough with the oil spill, who blame the federal government for not sufficiently regulating the oil industry, who are attacking the president for not using the power and money of big central government to take care of the states affected.

Seems the only conservatives around for the moment are the ones that the self-proclaimed 'real' conservatives used to hold up as examples of what is wrong with the GOP and the right...

...although some of them bear a striking similarity to the 'real' conservatives. Sometimes it appears as if they are actually the same persons, in disguise. Could that be possible??

Come out come out wherever you are.

Yeah we're still here . We wouldn't be using oil for much of anything @ this point in history if we had our way. you be using nuclear energy to run your stuff.

 

[Modbert]

Libruls are so mean spirited;

LOL wut?

 

[Harry Dresden]

I and others like me never went anywhere....Just most of us shun the term "conservative" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean anymore) since the leftist neocon turds hijacked the handle.

Next silly question?

Since you're just as ignorant as any conservative (ie "neo-cons" are not liberals, they are rightwingers. Cheney is a neo-con. Rumsfeld is a neo-con. You are a moron) why shouldn't we consider you a conservative?

another Deanbot.....disagree with me.....you must be a conservative or a right winger.....hey Sangdean....is it fair to say since you disagree with that rascally "Conservative" Dude.....that you can be considered a FAR-Left Winger?.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Does everything have to be explained?

DUUUH yea explain it to me Dean....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Where have the Moderate Democrats gone? You remember them, they would never go along with Pelosi in trying to defund the troops in the middle of a live shooting war, they would never go along with ObamaCare.

Oh where oh where are the non-National Socialists Democrats? Was Vince Foster the last one to try to stand against his Party?

Conservatives and Republicans don't understand Democrats. They are not used to working with people of different races, sexual orientation, different religions and different philosophies.

Because conservatives and Republicans are mostly one race and one religion. Add all the fear of "different" and the lack of interest in education, and they will never work together.

Republicans refuse any type of self examination or reflection. Why would they be interested in learning about other people?

and lets not forget ...lets all say it together now.....6% OF ALL SCIENTISTS ARE REPUBLICAN......thank you class.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Such a brilliant plan!! The rightwing golden rule, that everything bad can somehow be the fault of liberals,

well your buddy Dean has a golden rule also..... that everything bad can somehow be the fault of ALL Conservatives...ALL Republicans.....Democrats somehow have NEVER done any wrong EVER.....do you agree with this assessment Carb?......because i sure as hell dont agree with your above statement........and Rdean and his Posse consider me a FAR-Right Winger......

 

[Harry Dresden]

Conservatives have no ideas, no character, and no moral center. That's why they can lie with such ease

.....oh Dean has got a good catch here.....did Dean personally recruit you or did you just show up?.....

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Libruls are so mean spirited; I don't understand their negativity all the time. Here they have the Congress and the Presidency and they are unhappy and complaining about conservatives who are currently powerless to stop their evil ways.

Go ahead and enact all your wacko spending programs and tax hikes. Where are the conservatives? We're sitting on our front porch and we can see November from there.

Libs are bitter and frustrated clutching their lattes and reading from "Audacity of Hope" and Mao's "Little Red Book"

Basically they're fucking miserable people with no joy in their lives. This comes from embracing a loser philosophy, a philosophy where you must pull everyone else to bring yourself up. It's sad and pathetic.

 

[theHawk]

Oh, I don't mean just people who call themselves conservatives; I mean the people who call themselves the real conservatives, the proudly hardcore

small government conservatives, the ones

1. who think the EPA, and FEMA, and the Department of Energy (for starters) are unconstitutional.

2. who think that if the Constitution doesn't say the government can do it, then the government can't do it.

3. who think the states can take of themselves.

4. who think the federal government over-regulates corporations.

Where did these folks disappear to? Is there an undisclosed location that all the small government laissez-faire states rightsers flee to when real life makes their agenda look ridiculous?

Seems the only so-called conservatives around for the moment are ones who blame the federal government for not doing enough with the oil spill, who blame the federal government for not sufficiently regulating the oil industry, who are attacking the president for not using the power and money of big central government to take care of the states affected.

Seems the only conservatives around for the moment are the ones that the self-proclaimed 'real' conservatives used to hold up as examples of what is wrong with the GOP and the right...

...although some of them bear a striking similarity to the 'real' conservatives. Sometimes it appears as if they are actually the same persons, in disguise. Could that be possible??

Come out come out wherever you are.

I'm right here.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I support the Constitution and support the concept that it is a living document, able to be seen in the light of today withing the framwork of history;

Then you don't support the Constitution.

The concept of "living rules" means in fact that there are NO rules....Anarchy.

Dude, with doo-doo respect, you don't know shit.

yea your right ...Dude is clueless and you know what you are talking about.....like how ALL of Californias problems are because of the minority of Republicans in the State....and the Democrats were helpless and had no say........whatever you say Wry Dean....