Where have all the Conservatives Gone?

[NYcarbineer]

Oh, I don't mean just people who call themselves conservatives; I mean the people who call themselves the real conservatives, the proudly hardcore

small government conservatives, the ones

1. who think the EPA, and FEMA, and the Department of Energy (for starters) are unconstitutional.

2. who think that if the Constitution doesn't say the government can do it, then the government can't do it.

3. who think the states can take of themselves.

4. who think the federal government over-regulates corporations.

Where did these folks disappear to? Is there an undisclosed location that all the small government laissez-faire states rightsers flee to when real life makes their agenda look ridiculous?

Seems the only so-called conservatives around for the moment are ones who blame the federal government for not doing enough with the oil spill, who blame the federal government for not sufficiently regulating the oil industry, who are attacking the president for not using the power and money of big central government to take care of the states affected.

Seems the only conservatives around for the moment are the ones that the self-proclaimed 'real' conservatives used to hold up as examples of what is wrong with the GOP and the right...

...although some of them bear a striking similarity to the 'real' conservatives. Sometimes it appears as if they are actually the same persons, in disguise. Could that be possible??

Come out come out wherever you are.

 

[Old Rocks]

Seems our "Drill, baby, Drill" conservatives are AWOL at the moment. Or, like the Alaska Loon, trying to blame environmentalists for being correct about the oil companies priorities.

 

[Oddball]

I and others like me never went anywhere....Just most of us shun the term "conservative" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean anymore) since the leftist neocon turds hijacked the handle.

Next silly question?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I and others like me never went anywhere....Just most of us shun the term "conservative" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean anymore) since the leftist neocon turds hijacked the handle.

There's a HUGE difference, between "conservatives".....and, Conservatives.​

 

[Oddball]

There's also a huge difference between coherent and incoherent.

You have a lock on the latter.

 

[sangha]

I and others like me never went anywhere....Just most of us shun the term "conservative" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean anymore) since the leftist neocon turds hijacked the handle.

Next silly question?

Since you're just as ignorant as any conservative (ie "neo-cons" are not liberals, they are rightwingers. Cheney is a neo-con. Rumsfeld is a neo-con. You are a moron) why shouldn't we consider you a conservative?

 

[Oddball]

Who farted?

 

[RadiomanATL]

1. who think the EPA, and FEMA, and the Department of Energy (for starters) are unconstitutional.

2. who think that if the Constitution doesn't say the government can do it, then the government can't do it.

3. who think the states can take of themselves.

4. who think the federal government over-regulates corporations.

1. IMO, they are not unconstitutional

2. Thats exactly the way the constitution was designed.

3. Too broad a statement. Depends on the situation.

4. Too broad a statement. Depends on the regulations.

 

[AllieBaba]

I and others like me never went anywhere....Just most of us shun the term "conservative" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean anymore) since the leftist neocon turds hijacked the handle.

Next silly question?

Since you're just as ignorant as any conservative (ie "neo-cons" are not liberals, they are rightwingers. Cheney is a neo-con. Rumsfeld is a neo-con. You are a moron) why shouldn't we consider you a conservative?

You fucking idiot.

"Neo-con" refers to liberals who embrace some right wing values...such as military power.

Morons like yourself have taken the definition and instead of just applying it where it is appropriate, out of laziness and ignorance, have started using it to define something completely different.

It's liberal eubonics. You've done it to the terms "marriage", "force", "freedom", "truth", "fact" and "intelligence" as well. Because you're so fucking stupid, lazy and dishonest, you've completely destroyed the language and ruined our ability to intelligently converse with one another, as any word at any time can mean something completely different than what it actually does mean!

It's all about relativity to you guys. That's the way tyrants think and work.

 

[nraforlife]

Oh, I don't mean just people who call themselves conservatives; I mean the people who call themselves the real conservatives, the proudly hardcore

small government conservatives, the ones

1. who think the EPA, and FEMA, and the Department of Energy (for starters) are unconstitutional.

2. who think that if the Constitution doesn't say the government can do it, then the government can't do it.

3. who think the states can take of themselves.

4. who think the federal government over-regulates corporations.

Where did these folks disappear to? Is there an undisclosed location that all the small government laissez-faire states rightsers flee to when real life makes their agenda look ridiculous?

Seems the only so-called conservatives around for the moment are ones who blame the federal government for not doing enough with the oil spill, who blame the federal government for not sufficiently regulating the oil industry, who are attacking the president for not using the power and money of big central government to take care of the states affected.

Seems the only conservatives around for the moment are the ones that the self-proclaimed 'real' conservatives used to hold up as examples of what is wrong with the GOP and the right...

...although some of them bear a striking similarity to the 'real' conservatives. Sometimes it appears as if they are actually the same persons, in disguise. Could that be possible??

Come out come out wherever you are.

There are very few conservatives (aka paleocons) here or anywhere else in America (maybe 1 - 3% of the population at most) The neocon who have grabbed the 'conservative' mantle are in fact mensheviks who love State Power when it is used for their purposes .......Wars for and aid to Israel. Their sheeple followers in the evangelical churches would be appalled if ever required to live under the Original Constitution. Like their counterpart sheeple on the democrat (aka bolshevik) side they LOVE their own particular Bread and Circuses.


Regarding this bullet- 4. who think the federal government over-regulates corporations. in truth no traditional conservative believes 14th Amendment corporations have any place in society.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I and others like me never went anywhere....Just most of us shun the term "conservative" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean anymore) since the leftist neocon turds hijacked the handle.

Next silly question?

Well, it seems that the terms have lost a bit of their meaning, as you guys are using them is ways that render them indeterminate.


How about we expand the idea beyond this country, and define the sides sans Constitution.
There is a world view that defines the sides, and one could apply the parameters the Dr. Thomas Sowell's "A Conflict of Visions," an attempt to explore the philosophy of historical conservatism and liberalism. Conservatism has a tradition of operating by a vision of humans that he calls 'constrained.' Some characteristics of this view are:

(1) Humans have generally selfish natures.
(2) Human reason, while valuable, is quite limited.
(3) Because of this, society grows by evolution, not central deliberate planning.
(4) Social decisions generally involve not 'solutions' but 'trade-offs' (how much good for how much downside?)
(5) Procedural fairness, rather than results-based fairness, is the key to a just society.

Liberal tradition operates on a vision of humankind that is 'unconstrained.' Features include:

(1)Human selfishness is a quality that can be overcome by reason and education.
(2) Human reason, when used properly, can trump human impulses, emotions, and feelings.
(3)The planned society is best. Non-planned societies = chaos.
(4) While policy trade-offs might be a good short term solution, reason can discover true solutions that are equitable to all.
(5)Procedural fairness is not fair so long as disperate outcomes result.

According to Sowell, neither is totally correct, and it is up to the individual to choose, wisely, one would hope, the best explantion and pathway for humanity.

 

[rdean]

Oh, I don't mean just people who call themselves conservatives; I mean the people who call themselves the real conservatives, the proudly hardcore

small government conservatives, the ones

1. who think the EPA, and FEMA, and the Department of Energy (for starters) are unconstitutional.

2. who think that if the Constitution doesn't say the government can do it, then the government can't do it.

3. who think the states can take of themselves.

4. who think the federal government over-regulates corporations.

Where did these folks disappear to? Is there an undisclosed location that all the small government laissez-faire states rightsers flee to when real life makes their agenda look ridiculous?

Seems the only so-called conservatives around for the moment are ones who blame the federal government for not doing enough with the oil spill, who blame the federal government for not sufficiently regulating the oil industry, who are attacking the president for not using the power and money of big central government to take care of the states affected.

Seems the only conservatives around for the moment are the ones that the self-proclaimed 'real' conservatives used to hold up as examples of what is wrong with the GOP and the right...

...although some of them bear a striking similarity to the 'real' conservatives. Sometimes it appears as if they are actually the same persons, in disguise. Could that be possible??

Come out come out wherever you are.

who think the EPA, and FEMA, and the Department of Energy (for starters) are unconstitutional.

When the Constitution was written, was there "deep offshore drilling"? Everyplace was a "national park" because it was nearly all wilderness. People didn't use electricity.

Does everything have to be explained to you nitwits?

Worse, when Republicans replaced "regulations" with "voluntary compliance" and that led to the deaths of dozens of miners, then it becomes clear why we need these safety regulations.

Tell me you are so stupid, that you would get rid of all speed limits and put your family into a car made without any safety regulations. Go ahead. Tell me.

Does everything have to be explained?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Where have the Moderate Democrats gone? You remember them, they would never go along with Pelosi in trying to defund the troops in the middle of a live shooting war, they would never go along with ObamaCare.

Oh where oh where are the non-National Socialists Democrats? Was Vince Foster the last one to try to stand against his Party?

 

[rdean]

Who farted?

Three posts by you and your last one summed up all three.

 

[Oddball]

Oh, I don't mean just people who call themselves conservatives; I mean the people who call themselves the real conservatives, the proudly hardcore

small government conservatives, the ones

1. who think the EPA, and FEMA, and the Department of Energy (for starters) are unconstitutional.

2. who think that if the Constitution doesn't say the government can do it, then the government can't do it.

3. who think the states can take of themselves.

4. who think the federal government over-regulates corporations.

Where did these folks disappear to? Is there an undisclosed location that all the small government laissez-faire states rightsers flee to when real life makes their agenda look ridiculous?

Seems the only so-called conservatives around for the moment are ones who blame the federal government for not doing enough with the oil spill, who blame the federal government for not sufficiently regulating the oil industry, who are attacking the president for not using the power and money of big central government to take care of the states affected.

Seems the only conservatives around for the moment are the ones that the self-proclaimed 'real' conservatives used to hold up as examples of what is wrong with the GOP and the right...

...although some of them bear a striking similarity to the 'real' conservatives. Sometimes it appears as if they are actually the same persons, in disguise. Could that be possible??

Come out come out wherever you are.

who think the EPA, and FEMA, and the Department of Energy (for starters) are unconstitutional.

When the Constitution was written, was there "deep offshore drilling"? Everyplace was a "national park" because it was nearly all wilderness. People didn't use electricity.

Does everything have to be explained to you nitwits?

Worse, when Republicans replaced "regulations" with "voluntary compliance" and that led to the deaths of dozens of miners, then it becomes clear why we need these safety regulations.

Tell me you are so stupid, that you would get rid of all speed limits and put your family into a car made without any safety regulations. Go ahead. Tell me.

Does everything have to be explained?

More of them deep-thinking "ideas", no doubt.

 

[rdean]

Where have the Moderate Democrats gone? You remember them, they would never go along with Pelosi in trying to defund the troops in the middle of a live shooting war, they would never go along with ObamaCare.

Oh where oh where are the non-National Socialists Democrats? Was Vince Foster the last one to try to stand against his Party?

Conservatives and Republicans don't understand Democrats. They are not used to working with people of different races, sexual orientation, different religions and different philosophies.

Because conservatives and Republicans are mostly one race and one religion. Add all the fear of "different" and the lack of interest in education, and they will never work together.

Republicans refuse any type of self examination or reflection. Why would they be interested in learning about other people?

 

[Cuyo]

Where have the Moderate Democrats gone? You remember them, they would never go along with Pelosi in trying to defund the troops in the middle of a live shooting war, they would never go along with ObamaCare.

Oh where oh where are the non-National Socialists Democrats? Was Vince Foster the last one to try to stand against his Party?

THAT is a lapse in your perception. Democrats are as moderate as ever. HCR is dead center. Any other perception of socialism is a reverberation of something some liar put in your ear.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Where have the Moderate Democrats gone? You remember them, they would never go along with Pelosi in trying to defund the troops in the middle of a live shooting war, they would never go along with ObamaCare.

Oh where oh where are the non-National Socialists Democrats? Was Vince Foster the last one to try to stand against his Party?

Conservatives and Republicans don't understand Democrats. They are not used to working with people of different races, sexual orientation, different religions and different philosophies.

Because conservatives and Republicans are mostly one race and one religion. Add all the fear of "different" and the lack of interest in education, and they will never work together.

Republicans refuse any type of self examination or reflection. Why would they be interested in learning about other people?

Modern American Democrats cover the entire political spectrum: Klansman, Tax Cheats, Liars, Morons, Nitwits, Fools, Assholes, Jihadists, Insurgents, everybody with a political philosophy from Stalin to Mao.

What a wonderful Party you got there

 

[Cuyo]

Where have the Moderate Democrats gone? You remember them, they would never go along with Pelosi in trying to defund the troops in the middle of a live shooting war, they would never go along with ObamaCare.

Oh where oh where are the non-National Socialists Democrats? Was Vince Foster the last one to try to stand against his Party?

Conservatives and Republicans don't understand Democrats. They are not used to working with people of different races, sexual orientation, different religions and different philosophies.

Because conservatives and Republicans are mostly one race and one religion. Add all the fear of "different" and the lack of interest in education, and they will never work together.

Republicans refuse any type of self examination or reflection. Why would they be interested in learning about other people?

Modern American Democrats cover the entire political spectrum: Klansman, Tax Cheats, Liars, Morons, Nitwits, Fools, Assholes, Jihadists, Insurgents, everybody with a political philosophy from Stalin to Mao.

What a wonderful Party you got there

Well. I gather you don't get offended when someone calls you a partisan.

 

[Oddball]

Where have the Moderate Democrats gone? You remember them, they would never go along with Pelosi in trying to defund the troops in the middle of a live shooting war, they would never go along with ObamaCare.

Oh where oh where are the non-National Socialists Democrats? Was Vince Foster the last one to try to stand against his Party?

Conservatives and Republicans don't understand Democrats. They are not used to working with people of different races, sexual orientation, different religions and different philosophies.

Because conservatives and Republicans are mostly one race and one religion. Add all the fear of "different" and the lack of interest in education, and they will never work together.

Republicans refuse any type of self examination or reflection. Why would they be interested in learning about other people?

The first rule of painting with the broad brush: Make sure you hold it with the bristles pointed away from you.