Where does the March Toward Marxism End? Does it End?

[Norman]

Any article which quotes extensively for the Great Thomas Jefferson, as the one below does...is worth reading.

Where Does It End?

"Whenever a major country is in decline and approaching collapse, a contingent arises that does everything it can to speed up the process toward collapse." {Here, the Democratic/Marxist Party}
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Well, truth be told, no matter how inspired or sincere the founding fathers of any nation may be, those who would usurp them are always many in number and, in most cases, are prepared to do whatever it takes to slowly take power and return to tyrannical rule.

As Thomas Jefferson said,


"Even under the best forms of Government, those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny."

Can the march toward Marxism which the Democratic Party is now sponsoring...and which leads naturally to Stalinism...ever be reversed?

The nest few years will tell the story. America is in crisis.

Drain the Swamp
Build the Wall
Fuck the New York Media.

++++++++++

Graveyard.

And if everything goes well, it's the Marixist ideas that will end up there for an eternity to come.

If not, it will be our graves.

 

[Richard-H]

Who is 'free'? Seriously!

The bank owns my house, the bank owns my car. If I don't work my family & I will become homeless and starve. If I get laid off, I lose my house and car. Despite the fact that my wife and I have been working for almost 30 years each.

THIS IS FREEDOM?????

We are nothing but SLAVE to the wealthy (abiet, well treated slaves). Free economic opportunity is limited only to those who become members of fraternal organizations - and are subject to their rules and hierarchical organization.

I do not fear the government - it's the organization that protects me and my family from becoming absolute slaves to the wealthy and guarantees that I have a least SOME rights.

Yes, we need proper checks on the government, but infinitely more than that, we need the government to have proper checks on the wealthy!

THIS is what we have become? We are completely ignorant of nature?

Go live in Alaska, off the grid, where the entire world is yours.

You still have to work or you will starve. Wild animals have to work or starve.

Where the fuck has this completely backward way of thinking come from?

So your suggesting that the people who do all the work that creates wealth should leave the society that they built in order to have freedom?

If anyone has an ass backwards way of thinking, it's you.

I know many ex-patriot army vets that have done just what you suggest. The very people who fought for your 'freedom' found no place in the society that they fought so hard to protect. While worthless people that make no contribution whatsoever suck up all the money and enjoy the best that this society has to offer.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

So your suggesting that the people who do all the work that creates wealth should leave the society that they built in order to have freedom?

Well, you got the point, didn't you?

Jeez.

What you don't understand is risk/reward. You have your secure little job. You take no risks and expect others to do it for you. Others do all your thinking for you and you expect to get paid for it. WRONG!!!

You think employment is slavery, but do nothing about it yourself, like become your own boss. Instead, you want government to do it for you. You want someone like me to bust ass, take risks, and develop my own business, then take all the reward I get from my hard work and risk.

Your idea of freedom is theft.

 

[Richard-H]

So your suggesting that the people who do all the work that creates wealth should leave the society that they built in order to have freedom?

Well, you got the point, didn't you?

Jeez.

What you don't understand is risk/reward. You have your secure little job. You take no risks and expect others to do it for you. Others do all your thinking for you and you expect to get paid for it. WRONG!!!

You think employment is slavery, but do nothing about it yourself, like become your own boss. Instead, you want government to do it for you. You want someone like me to bust ass, take risks, and develop my own business, then take all the reward I get from my hard work and risk.

Your idea of freedom is theft.

Pure BULLSHIT!

I acknowledge that investment deserves to be rewarded. However, the risk is grossly exaggerated (unless you're a flaming idiot), and the balance between the rewards for investment vs. the rewards for productive work is way out of wack.

Bosses work to suck up all the money they can. They are strictly self serving. When work gets hard for them they hire people like myself to do that hard work.

Employees do 99% the hard work that creates wealth. In fact employees ALWAYS create more wealth than they receive, otherwise their employer would not hire them or would lay them off.

'Profit' means getting more from a venture than you put into it. The difference between the two is the difference between the wealth created by employees and that which they receive. The latter difference has become obscene.

 

[Richard-H]

So your suggesting that the people who do all the work that creates wealth should leave the society that they built in order to have freedom?

Well, you got the point, didn't you?

Jeez.

What you don't understand is risk/reward. You have your secure little job. You take no risks and expect others to do it for you. Others do all your thinking for you and you expect to get paid for it. WRONG!!!

You think employment is slavery, but do nothing about it yourself, like become your own boss. Instead, you want government to do it for you. You want someone like me to bust ass, take risks, and develop my own business, then take all the reward I get from my hard work and risk.

Your idea of freedom is theft.

BTW - My idea of freedom is people being paid on par with the real value of their productive work, not being subject to being taken advantage of by people who are economically advantaged.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Bosses work to suck up all the money they can. They are strictly self serving. When work gets hard for them they hire people like myself to do that hard work.

The boss took risk to create the business that generates all that hard work for the risk-adverse to do for the amount of money it takes to get them to work.

You want to be paid a value that is unrealistic. You are under the delusion that the value of work is much greater than it really is. You forget that someone else will do your job for less money, which determines how much you should get paid.

No amount of communist government is going to change that. Floor sweepers will still be worth less than engineers.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

BTW - My idea of freedom is people being paid on par with the real value of their productive work, not being subject to being taken advantage of by people who are economically advantaged.

The real value of a person's work is the amount someone else will pay for said work. That goes for employees and bosses alike.

 

[initforme]

People do want their secure little jobs. They are called the middle class. The ones who benefit the least from this great new tax bill. The ones who pay into social security only to have wackos say hey that's socialism blah blah ad nauseum. I suppose it would make some far eighties happy if the birth rates dropped to zero for about 10 years in a row. That means less unemployment less people getting assistance. Less workers...etc. Then they would complain there's nobody to fight their wars....comical. Some just cannot stand the thought of a hard worker getting a little help without crying like a little kid about socialism etc.

 

[Richard-H]

Bosses work to suck up all the money they can. They are strictly self serving. When work gets hard for them they hire people like myself to do that hard work.

The boss took risk to create the business that generates all that hard work for the risk-adverse to do for the amount of money it takes to get them to work.

You want to be paid a value that is unrealistic. You are under the delusion that the value of work is much greater than it really is. You forget that someone else will do your job for less money, which determines how much you should get paid.

No amount of communist government is going to change that. Floor sweepers will still be worth less than engineers.

I want to get paid according to the value of my work. That is not unrealistic, and yes, it means that engineers get paid more than janitors because the value of their work is greater than janitors. However, that does not mean that janitors work is not valuable. If it was not there would be no janitors.

Someone else being being willing to work for less money than me because they are more desperate than me only shows that the system you believe in is based on the economically advantaged taking advantage of the economically disadvantaged. By your system an engineer would get paid next to nothing - despite the value of his work - if all engineers were driven into poverty and were desperate enough.

Many employers purposely keep the most valuable employees at the lowest wages they possibly can so that the employees have no possible chance economic freedom or advancement. The more valuable you are the more the employer wants to keep you down.

 

[Richard-H]

BTW - My idea of freedom is people being paid on par with the real value of their productive work, not being subject to being taken advantage of by people who are economically advantaged.

The real value of a person's work is the amount someone else will pay for said work. That goes for employees and bosses alike.

Then the real value of someones work would be the amount that the market is willing to pay for the product produced. If I build a widget that sells for $100, I should get most of that $100, not be paid $5 while my boss gets $95. Regardless of the fact that some desperate person would be willing to build that widget for $4.

The boss deserves some reasonable return on investment and for his risk, bit beyond that reasonable return the lions share should go to the people that actually produce the product that the customer is paying for.

And no, what I'm saying is not communist or socialist. It's the way a true free market should work.

If I contribute hard work, skill and knowledge to the production of a product and my employer contributes investment in tools and materials, we should be dividing the profits.

It should not be that if I or anyone else is economically desperate the employer gets to pay me next to nothing.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

I want to get paid according to the value of my work. That is not unrealistic, and yes, it means that engineers get paid more than janitors because the value of their work is greater than janitors. However, that does not mean that janitors work is not valuable. If it was not there would be no janitors.

Someone else being being willing to work for less money than me because they are more desperate than me only shows that the system you believe in is based on the economically advantaged taking advantage of the economically disadvantaged. By your system an engineer would get paid next to nothing - despite the value of his work - if all engineers were driven into poverty and were desperate enough.

Many employers purposely keep the most valuable employees at the lowest wages they possibly can so that the employees have no possible chance economic freedom or advancement. The more valuable you are the more the employer wants to keep you down.

Oh, it's the big, bad bourgeoisie, right?

Once again, you are ignoring universal principles and human nature.

Employees have a choice. The fact that they are too stupid or chickenshit to make that choice is the reason they belong in their current position.

The smartest and best become employers. The dumbest and weakest are employees.

The only difference between that and your beloved marxism, is that government is the bourgeoisie, and there is no choice. You will still get underpaid, only now, you have no way to break free.

Society must work this way. It is the only way. You are delusional if you think it will work your communist way. It never has and never will.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

It should not be that if I or anyone else is economically desperate the employer gets to pay me next to nothing.

Your type is the same that allows illegal mexican trash into our country to do jobs at a substantially lower wage, fucking up wages for Americans. I have no sympathy.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Any article which quotes extensively for the Great Thomas Jefferson, as the one below does...is worth reading.

Where Does It End?

"Whenever a major country is in decline and approaching collapse, a contingent arises that does everything it can to speed up the process toward collapse." {Here, the Democratic/Marxist Party}
***
Well, truth be told, no matter how inspired or sincere the founding fathers of any nation may be, those who would usurp them are always many in number and, in most cases, are prepared to do whatever it takes to slowly take power and return to tyrannical rule.

As Thomas Jefferson said,


"Even under the best forms of Government, those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny."

Can the march toward Marxism which the Democratic Party is now sponsoring...and which leads naturally to Stalinism...ever be reversed?

The nest few years will tell the story. America is in crisis.

Drain the Swamp
Build the Wall
Fuck the New York Media.

++++++++++

Unfortunately we aren't on a Marxist path. What is described in the article, Marx would very much warn against.

The propagation of ignorance is a huge problem in this country.

The ignorance and stupidity common to most on the right is a huge problem in this country.

 

[Nosmo King]

You shallow half-wit Bolsheviks keep posting these nonsensical playground taunts...it just keeps the original post...to which you have no response...at the top, so more people with good sense will have a chance to read it.

Don't you recognize what is going on here? The responses to your bloviating OP are not nonsensical playground taunts. They are rightfully rejecting the premise you proffered.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Unfortunately we aren't on a Marxist path.

Well, praise Allah, Buddha, and Sweat Baby Jesus for that. As long as we keep our guns, no commie bullshit will thrive.

To hear Trumpbots talk, not only is it thriving, it's devouring everything in its path.

Trump voters/supporters are among the most ignorant of conservatives.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

The ignorance and stupidity common to most on the right is a huge problem in this country.

At the same time, the ignorance and stupidity of the communist left in thinking communism or it's bastard brother, socialism, will work here when it has never worked in its history, is a huge problem.

 

[Nosmo King]

The ignorance and stupidity common to most on the right is a huge problem in this country.

At the same time, the ignorance and stupidity of the communist left in thinking communism or it's bastard brother, socialism, will work here when it has never worked in its history, is a huge problem.

Do we operate under laissez faire Capitalism here in America? Nope! There are regulations on Capitalist activity and that, by definition, is Socialism. And it works fine most of the time.

 

[regent]

The Alien and Sedition acts were put into place by the first conservative party in America. It was the end of that party and the period after its demise was called the Era of Good Feeling.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Do we operate under laissez faire Capitalism here in America? Nope! There are regulations on Capitalist activity and that, by definition, is Socialism. And it works fine most of the time.

That, by definition, is NOT socialism.

Marriam-Webster

Definition of socialism
: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

 

[Syriusly]

Any article which quotes extensively for the Great Thomas Jefferson, as the one below does...is worth reading.

Where Does It End?

"Whenever a major country is in decline and approaching collapse, a contingent arises that does everything it can to speed up the process toward collapse." {Here, the Democratic/Marxist Party}
***
Well, truth be told, no matter how inspired or sincere the founding fathers of any nation may be, those who would usurp them are always many in number and, in most cases, are prepared to do whatever it takes to slowly take power and return to tyrannical rule.

As Thomas Jefferson said,


"Even under the best forms of Government, those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny."

Can the march toward Marxism which the Democratic Party is now sponsoring...and which leads naturally to Stalinism...ever be reversed?

The nest few years will tell the story. America is in crisis.

Drain the Swamp
Build the Wall
Fuck the New York Media.

++++++++++

LOL- what march towards Marxism?

Marxism is dead.

Time for the Right Wing nut jobs to find new whipping boys.