Where do you want to put The Wall?

[longknife]

I can see the trolls are out in force

 

[Wry Catcher]

Herr drumpf has said he wants to take land away from Americans as well as Mexicans. Some Americans agree, though not the ones who would lose their homes!

Then there's the cost - Quoted at $4million per mile or more. No problem though, cuz Mexico is paying. Right? The president of the US promised that. Many many many many many many many times. All lies and coincidentally, the same number of times he lied about Mexico paying for it. He also said he loves debt and that's the truth of this - just charge it to our elderly and our descendants.

Many of the most ignorant will say foolish things like "round them up and deport them". Obviously, they don't think that rash statement through. Those same people will also say they are against driver's licenses or other ways of actually tracking undocumented/illegals. Go figure.

So, now that we've covered that, let's get to location, location, location ...

No, the Rio Grande aka Rio Bravo does not belong only to the US. Nor does it belong wholly to Mexico. There are treaties to consider and no, the US does not get to just steal the river, even though drumpf will likely say otherwise.

Almost 1900 miles long, the river flows through three US states and two countries. Its still the third largest US river but has been dammed and polluted until most of what it once was is gone. It is sometimes dry and sometimes floods. There are times when Mexico does not share and times when the US does not.

There's actually a lot of moving parts to this question so ===

Happy reading ... What do you think?

Rio Grande/Rio Bravo

http://www.ibwc.state.gov/CRP/riogrande.htm

Rio Grande - Wikipedia

The wall: Building a continuous US-Mexico barrier would be a tall order

I saw someone talking about this a couple days ago.

The Rio Grande IS the border between the US and Mexico. If the US builds a wall on it's side, which legally is the only way it can otherwise trying to build a wall on the Mexican side would be tantamount to declaring war on Mexico and seizing their land along the whole 1,300 mile river border, then the US cedes the Rio Grande to Mexico.

You just have to love when reality stands in front of drumpf, pulls it's right hand back around it's right shoulder, and backhand bitch slaps drumpf with the weight of humanity behind it.

Thanks, reality is a real impediment to trump and his supporters.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I can see the trolls are out in force

You see with biased vision, and it ain't 20-20.

 

[Correll]

Herr drumpf has said he wants to take land away from Americans as well as Mexicans. Some Americans agree, though not the ones who would lose their homes!

Then there's the cost - Quoted at $4million per mile or more. No problem though, cuz Mexico is paying. Right? The president of the US promised that. Many many many many many many many times. All lies and coincidentally, the same number of times he lied about Mexico paying for it. He also said he loves debt and that's the truth of this - just charge it to our elderly and our descendants.

Many of the most ignorant will say foolish things like "round them up and deport them". Obviously, they don't think that rash statement through. Those same people will also say they are against driver's licenses or other ways of actually tracking undocumented/illegals. Go figure.

So, now that we've covered that, let's get to location, location, location ...

No, the Rio Grande aka Rio Bravo does not belong only to the US. Nor does it belong wholly to Mexico. There are treaties to consider and no, the US does not get to just steal the river, even though drumpf will likely say otherwise.

Almost 1900 miles long, the river flows through three US states and two countries. Its still the third largest US river but has been dammed and polluted until most of what it once was is gone. It is sometimes dry and sometimes floods. There are times when Mexico does not share and times when the US does not.

There's actually a lot of moving parts to this question so ===

Happy reading ... What do you think?

Rio Grande/Rio Bravo

http://www.ibwc.state.gov/CRP/riogrande.htm

Rio Grande - Wikipedia

The wall: Building a continuous US-Mexico barrier would be a tall order

Over 100 years ago the Panama Canal was built without the tools available to today's civil engineers. Given the amount of sunlight on our southern border, solar energy alone would reduce the cost to build a canal from the mouth of the Rio Grande River to the Tijuana River, a joint project of the US and Mexico (think a decade + of jobs).

A canal wide enough to transport commodities and deep enough for Ocean Going Vessels, potentially allowing for US Navy surface force vessels to transit from our east to west coast, saving thousands of sea miles in the process.

Is it feasible? Is it practical? If so, it makes more sense than building a wall which can be climbed with a ladder or tunneled under as has been done many times by drug traffickers.

Crazy talk.

THe need to build tunnels would reduce the flow of illegals to a trickle, greatly easing the job of catching and deporting them.

"Crazy talk"? Really, I bet your great-great grandfather, when seeing his first automobile yelled out, "get a horse"; and his father's great-great grandfather believed the Erie Canal was a boondoggle and an impossible feat; and your father felt JFK's Moon Policy was impossible too.

Crazy talk, not; these were considered crazy too, by those who lacked imagination and belief in the know how of American ingenuity.

Canals are not new high tech wonders.

LOL, you ignorance is only surpassed by your lack of imagination.

Dig This: The Panama Canal Expansion Used Enough Steel To Build 22 Eiffel Towers

Jobs for American steel workers

Lucky for us 19th century engineers solved the problems in building a canal:

: Building a Canal

A bit of history with low tech wonders, and what was accomplished without huge earthmovers:

Panama Canal: The Big Dig of Central America

Here is what they didn't have 100 years ago:

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Here's how to make America great with a win-win policy for the US and Mexico.

We are NOT building a canal across the US/Mexican border. With Containerization, rail, and the panama canal shipping costs are low enough that there would be little return on such a huge massive undertaking.


We DO need a Wall to benefit the US, by protection us from Third World Immigration.

 

[beagle9]

I assure you I am not the clueless one here.
You are just a cheap labor hog who didn't answer my question because you can't without showing what a pig you are.

A market friendly visa will solve our illegal problem on a permanent basis via capitalism, and generate revenue to lower our tax burden.

It has been failing since 1998 when Clinton quadrupled the number of Business Visas.
Why do you think it will work now?
Thankfully, AG Jeff Sessions disagrees with you.

the point is, to solve our illegal problem on a permanent basis via capitalism, even if it requires the amusement park business model. the amusement park sector does not have much of an illegal problem, and generates revenue.

The POINT is to judge policy based on a Cost/Benefit comparison.

You refuse to do that.


You are dishonest.

No, that is not the point. I was very clear in the poll and in my op -

Where do you believe we should put the wall? In Mexico or in the US?

Why?

. It's a dumb question... Period.