Where Do We Come From?

[PoliticalChic]

While investigating this topic I went to our favorite site, wikipedia. In full disclosure, I've not only contributed to the site, but have had some communication with same while I was involved in a political campaign.

I have found that our pal wikipedia leans Left, and regularly veers away from a traditional and/or religious view.



Case in point....take a look at their poke at the Abrahamic story.....and then at several other sources including the encyclopedia britancia...

OK...here's wikipedia:

5. " In the Hebrew Bible, the prophet Abraham is stated to have originally been from "Ur of the Chaldees" (Ur Kaśdim); if this city is to be identified with the ancient Sumerian city state of Ur, it would be within what would many centuries later become the Chaldean homeland south of the Euphrates, although it must be pointed out that the Chaldeans certainly did not exist in Mesopotamia (or anywhere else in historical record) at the time that Abraham is believed to have existed (circa 1800-1700 BC), arriving some eight or nine hundred years later.[9]This fact casts serious doubt on the chronological accuracy andhistoricityof the Abrahamic story."
Chaldea - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


So....should we throw out the traditional 'Abrahamic story'?

wikipedia takes the secular view of all things at all times, similar to the teaching in most schools and universities.....which might explain the sneering tone that several in this very thread have taken.



What if I can provide a very different view....based on scholarship?

What religious belief should wikipedia have?

Who said anything about a religious belief?

A very different view from that of wikipedia.

6. "There is a large body of religious literature besides the Book of Genesis which deals with the periodbefore the Deluge. Sources such as thethree books of Enoch, the Book of Jubilees, the Gnostic teachings,the Dead Sea scrolls, the Haggadah or the oral tradition of the Jews, the Rabbinical writings, the works ofJosephus, and many works of the Pseudepigrapha.

Much of what is not intelligible in these ancient religious writings is explained in part in the large library of available Sumerian, Babylonian and other cuneiform inscriptions. It will be demonstrated that the Scriptures and Sumerian literature, regarded in a historical context, andstripped of their spiritual and mythological verbiage, support and augment each other remarkably. For it is clear thatSumerwas the fountainhead for the events and stories of the Old Testament and other Western religious writings.

Much as Biblical apologists have tried to avoid or cloud the issue of the origin of the Old Testament, the historical facts clearly show that its antecedents are in the valley of Mesopotamia.

The Sumerian culture, which can be traced as far back as the beginning of the Fourth Millennium BC, was the source of all the myths of Middle Eastern civilizations that followed, such as the Akkadian, Babylonian, and Assyrian people who inherited much of the Sumerian culture. This culture was subsequently transferred to the west to the lands of Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, and Anatolia." Boulay Chapter 4


Well....there is some validation there......

More coming.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Hmmmm.....

Some more...

7. " Tradition seems particularly firm on this point. The Hebrew text, in fact, locates the departure specifically at Ur Kasdim, the Kasdim being none other than the Kaldu of the cuneiform texts at Mari. It is manifestly a migration of which one tribe is the center. The leader of the movement is designated by name: Terah, who "takes them out" from Ur, Abram his son, Lot the son of Haran, another son of Terah, and their wives, the best known being Sarai, the wife of Abram. The existence of another son of Terah, Nahor, who appears later, is noted.

Most scholars agree that Ur Kasdim was the Sumerian city of Ur, today Tall al-Muqayyar (or Mughair), about 200 miles (300 km) southeast of Baghdad in lower Mesopotamia, which was excavated from 1922 to 1934. It is certain that the cradle of the ancestors was the seat of a vigorous polytheism whose memory had not been lost and whose uncontested master in Ur was Nanna (or Sin), the Sumero-Akkadian moon god. "They served other gods," Joshua, Moses' successor, recalled, speaking to their descendants at Shechem." The Genesis narrative in the light of recent scholarship


"Most scholars agree that Ur Kasdim was the Sumerian city of Ur, today....."


But.....but....wikipedia said quite the opposite.

Now.....why would they do that?

 

[Steven_R]

You're conflating two separate issues. One is the Agrarian Revolution in the Fertile Crescent and the Cradle of Civilization. The other is mythological texts from the region.

The simple fact is that while writing was being developed in Mesopotamia and the first written accounts of a world wide flood were being put down, writing was also being developed in the Indus River Civilization and they don't mention that flood, Noah, an ark, a single God, the Tower of Babel, Adam, the Garden of Eden, or any of the other writing that became the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament.

So which is more likely, that oral traditions and local myths were put down in the Middle East (including all the stories in the Bible) or that it all really happened, but the people writing in what is now Western India just forgot all about it or deliberately didn't write them down?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

When should we get concerned about PoliticalSpice talking to herself

Of course I do.....when I need expert advice.

Where Do We Come From?

While I often wonder where some of you came from, I come from my mother's vagina.

 

[PoliticalChic]

And Encyclopedia Britannica weighs in....

a. "The Genesis narrative in the light of recent scholarship

The saga of Abraham unfolds between two landmarks, the exodus from “Ur of the Chaldeans” (Ur Kasdim) of the family, or clan, of Terah and “the purchase of” (or “the burials in”) the cave of Machpelah. Tradition seems particularly firm on this point. The Hebrew text, in fact, locates the departure specifically at Ur Kasdim, the Kasdim being none other than the Kaldu of the cuneiform texts at Mari. It is manifestly a migration of which one tribe is the centre. The leader of the movement is designated by name: Terah, who “takes them out” from Ur, Abram his son, Lot the son of Haran, another son of Terah, and their wives, the best known being Sarai, the wife of Abram. The existence of another son of Terah, Nahor, who appears later, is noted.


Most scholars agree that Ur Kasdim was the Sumerian city of Ur, today Tall al-Muqayyar (or Mughair), about 200 miles (300 km) southeast of Baghdad in lower Mesopotamia, which was excavated from 1922 to 1934. It is certain that the cradle of the ancestors was the seat of a vigorous polytheism whose memory had not been lost and whose uncontested master in Ur was Nanna (orSin), the Sumero-Akkadian moon god. “They served other gods,”Joshua, Moses’ successor, recalled, speaking to their descendants at Shechem.


After the migration from Ur (c. 2000bc), the reasons for which are unknown, the first important stopping place was Harran, where the caravan remained for some time. The city has been definitely located in upper Mesopotamia, between the Tigris and the Euphrates rivers, in the Balikh valley and can be found on the site of the modern Harran in Turkey. It has been shown that Harran was apilgrimagecity, for it was a centre of the Sin cult and consequently closely related to the moon-god cult of Ur. The Mari tablets have shed new light on the patriarchal period, specifically in terms of the city of Harran. " Abraham biography - Hebrew patriarch The Genesis narrative in the light of recent scholarship Encyclopedia Britannica



"Most scholars agree that Ur Kasdim was the Sumerian city of Ur, today ...."
And more geography that seems not to be in doubt.
"The city has been definitely located in upper Mesopotamia, between the Tigris and the Euphrates rivers,...."

Yet, wikipedia statements give quite a different cast to same.



The astute understand the reasons behind this.


Antonio Gramsci, Italian Marxist theoretician and founding member and one-time leader of the Communist Party of Italy.
Gramschi’s motto is that of liberals today: “that all life is "political."

 

[PoliticalChic]

When should we get concerned about PoliticalSpice talking to herself

Of course I do.....when I need expert advice.

Where Do We Come From?

While I often wonder where some of you came from, I come from my mother's vagina.

A classy guy like you.....

.....surprised you didn't include pictures.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Now we have a nimrod as president.

except every president we have had starting in 1981 has been a nimrod so what else is new?

 

[deltex1]

Now we have a nimrod as president.

except every president we have had starting in 1981 has been a nimrod so what else is new?

There are nimrods...and then there are NIMRODS. WE GOTS US A NIMROD, YO!

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Now we have a nimrod as president.

except every president we have had starting in 1981 has been a nimrod so what else is new?

There are nimrods...and then there are NIMRODS. WE GOTS US A NIMROD, YO!

No argument there.The next president that gets in as hard as it might be to believe will be an even bigger nimrod than him believe it or not because whether the sheople here in america want to deal with or not the FACTS are every president thats been in office starting in 1981 has been worse and more corrupt than the previous one with the one that got in in 1981 being far worse than the one we had from 77 to 81 so we can expect that to continue as long as we have this ONE PARTY SYSTEM of demopublicans and reprocrats.

 

[deltex1]

You're saying Reagan was worse than Carter and Obama? You flunked.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Mesopotamia.

The Fertile Crescent, between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers.




1. According to the Bible, Noah survived the great flood, and we find Noah's great-grandson, Nimrod, building the Tower of Babel.

a. "The first mention of Nimrod is in the Table of Nations.[3]He is described as the son of Cush, grandson of Ham, and great-grandson of Noah; and as "mighty in the earth" and "a mighty hunter before the Lord". This is repeated in the First Book of Chronicles 1:10, and the "Land of Nimrod" used as a synonym for Assyria or Mesopotamia, is mentioned in the Book of Micah5:6" Nimrod - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


b. "The Generations of Noah or Table of Nations(Genesis 10 of the Hebrew Bible) is a traditional ethnology representing the expansion of humankind from the descendants of Noah and their dispersion into many lands after the Flood.[1]The 70 names in the list express symbolically the unity of the human race, corresponding to the 70 descendants of Israel who go down into Egypt with Jacob at Genesis 46:27, and the 70 elders of Israel who visit God with Moses at the covenant ceremony in Exodus 24:1-9.[2]

As Christianity took over the Roman world, it adopted the idea that all the world's peoples were descended from Noah."
Generations of Noah - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




2. Nimrod's was the first kingdom in Mesopotamia, and included the metropolis of Ur, a city of the Chaldeans.

According to the historian Josephus, the Chaldeans were originally called the Arphaxadites, having descended from Shem's son Arphaxad..."This is the accountof Shem’s family line.

Two years after the flood, when Shem was 100 years old, he became the father of Arphaxad." Genesis 11:10. And Abram, later Abraham, father of three great religions, lived in Ur and was a descendent of Arphaxad.





3. The Chaldeans were quite an advanced civilization. "They have a 5,500-year history dating back to Mesopotamia—the cradle of civilization—which is present day Iraq. According to the Old Testament (Gen. 11:31), Abraham was from the city of Ur—which is identified as “Ur of the Chaldeans,” the city of his ancestors....the first civilization to:

· Invent the wheel

· Discover how to make glass

· Discover astronomy

· Use a writing system (cuneiform)

· Invent the yearly calendar, composed of 360 days and 12 months (and the 60-second minute and 60-minute hour)

· Use weights and measures, which were standardized in Babylon around 2,500 B.C.

· Hammurabi’s Code, which was a revolutionary step in the development of fairness and equality under the law.

· In 600 B.C., Nebuchadnezzar built the “Hanging Gardens of Babylon” (one of the original Seven Wonders of the Ancient World) to console his queen who missed the mountains and greenery of her native Media."
A Rich History Chaldean Community Foundation

I enjoy reading your threads, Political Chic, because you dive into the subject with plenty of research of your own and you are, in my opinion, the most intelligent writer on USMB. Your choice of topics are usually very interesting and this thread you've made is no exception. I'd like to respond with some of my own research on the subject, albeit late! I hope you'll read it and consider some thoughts that came to me while reading it. I will also cite my sources.

First from the King James Bible in Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

That is where man came from. Created by God. In the Image of God, from the earth. Interesting in Genesis 1:26,27 it is written:

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness, and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Genesis 1:26,27

Now returning to where we came from. The earth. It is an interesting to note that the following elements are found to be the same in the human body and soil..... which backs up the Bible. Sodium, chlorine, phosphorus, potassium, sulpher, iodine, copper, iron, cobalt, manganese, fluorine, zinc, molybdenem and 3 others which have later been defined: chronium, selenium and silicon. See the source Nutrition for Today by Alfen-Slater and Aftergood.

Now in order to understand where we are today we do need to understand the past. In fact, one person of history said that the further we can see back to the past the further we can see into the future. Was it Churchill? I cannot recall. In any case, it is important to understand the history so before getting into Nimrod and the towel of Babel, let's go back to when Satan was cast out of heaven.

First, I'll quote from a Jack Chick publication - Angel of Light - page 9 - God created all the angels - including Lucifer. The light of God shone through Lucifer's body making him an angel of light. Lucifer was perfect in wisdom and beauty. Lucifer shielded God's throne. He was the top angel in heaven. See Ezekiel 28:11-19 . The very first sin in history was when Lucifer wanted to be a god. This is covered in the King James Bible Isaiah 14:12-14

It is written:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How are thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God. I will sit also upon the mountain of the congregation, in the sides of the north. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the most high. Isaiah 14: 12-14

Lucifer became power mad. He conned 1/3 of the angels in heaven into joining him. His plan was to take control of heaven. Why not? Wasn't he perfect? He forgot one thing.....He wasn't the Creator of the universe. Then God moved. They were booted out of heaven and given a new location: the planet earth and the atmosphere around it. Lucifer was given new names: Satan (the accuser) the devil (little god) the prince and power of the air, and god of this world, the dragon, etc.

The only way we learn about Satan is through the Bible (God's Holy Word). And Satan hates the Bible because it blows his cover. He has tried his best to destroy it but he couldn't so he starts religious movements which change the Bible message. Let's see how cleverly that is done. One example:

A quote from Journal of Discourses by Brigham Young Volume 1 page 50

"When our Father Adam came into the Garden of Eden, He came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is Michael, the archangel, the ancient of days! About whom the holy men have written and spoken - He (Adam) is our Father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do.
- Brigham Young
- President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day saints - known as the MORMONS.
Beware of Mormon Missionaries!

This is what is known as blasphemy. He shot down the Bible, it is an old technique and remember Satan is the author of all false teaching. So beware of false teachers. Later we'll see how the Roman Catholic religion came out of the Babylonian occult. But for now let us return to the beginning - the fall in the garden - God had given dominion of the earth to Adam. Satan was outraged that he was aced out by a mere human. Satan knew that if he could make Adam sin, then he'd get control of the earth away from Adam.

Adam fell into sin, man died spiritually and sin spread throughout the human race......we all inherited a rebellious nature. Satan won control. He hated man in the Garden of Eden and he hates mankind today. Even the people who think he's on their side and worship him do not understand. They do not understand his game - see page 12 of Angel of Light for full story -

In a short time men became so rotten mentally and physically that God destroyed them by flood. Under Satan the world had become an insane asylum.

See Genesis 7:23

Only Noah and his family and those animals put on the ark were saved. Mankind was given another chance. When Noah and his family departed from the ark - Satan and his gang were waiting for them. Satan's fallen angels were unclean spirits or demons.

Noah had three sons: Ham, Shem and Japheth who were with him on the Ark. Ham had a son named Cush. Cush helped to develop the "Great Conspiracy" (plans to rule the world) Cush pushed for the building of a tower that would reach into heaven.....It was easy, Everybody spoke the same language - see Genesis 11:1-6

Cush had a son named Nimrod. Satan was delighted! This was his man! See Genesis 10: 8,9 and you can do a word study on "mighty man", "mighty hunter" but returning to the story -
Nimrod was a mighty hunter (of the souls of men) Nimrod built the great city of Babylon. He and his wife (Semiramis - she was the most beautiful woman on the earth at the time and a powerful witch) worked up an evil system, to control humanity by the occult, politics and a super counterfeit religion. For the sources on the true story of Nimrod, Semiramis and the facts on Babylon and the occult - read the book Babylon Religion by David W. Daniels (2006) and the Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop (published in1858) both books are available at Chick Publications.
Before going any further let me go back and make clear that Ham (son of Noah) was Cush's father and Nimrod's Great Grandfather - Ham committed a very serious sin against his father, Noah.

It is written:

These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread. And Noah began to be a husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: And he drank of the wine, and was drunken, and he was uncovered within his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.
Genesis 1:21,22
(there are some theologians that believe Ham raped his own father)

So now let us return back to the story of Nimrod and his wife -

Nimrod's wife, Semiramis, was one of the most evil women who ever lived. To really tie this new religion together, Semiramis would later marry her own son, Tammuz. The story is that they plunged so deeply into human sacrifice - sacrificing babies became a common religious practice - Nimrod's great uncle, Shem, one of Noah's three sons became so outraged that he killed Nimrod and cut him into pieces as an example to others

Note from me - your going to learn later on that even in the secrets of the Masons and the Ladies of the Labrinth there is evidence that the roots of it go right back to this very source!

Now once again we have to return to the story of Cush. When Ham looked upon his father's nakedness, Noah put a curse on one of Ham's sons, Canaan. (See Genesis 9:24,25) Ham's other son, Cush became the big man in politics. He rebelled against God, who commanded the people fill the earth ( see Genesis 9:1) Cush brought the people together in one place.

See Crusaders Volume 9 Angel of light - page 13 also.

The idea of a one world government was started way back there just after the flood. They started construction on the Tower of Babel in the plains of Shinar. (Genesis 11:2) They wanted to make it reach into heaven. It would be the center of religious and political systems. Astrology was their science for learning how to be gods, and to control everyone and everything. This was the first "United Nations Building" (so to speak). NOTE - Astrology is of the occult - any witch who is going to operate in satanic powers must have a knowledge of astrology - the two go hand in hand.

So God knew what they were up to - he could see the tower and the city they were building and so God destroyed their unity by dividing their language. No one understood what the other was saying. They went mad with frustration, Communication was a disaster - Everyone looked for someone who spoke their language and when they found that person they stayed together and eventually everyone took off in different directions. Some groups went into Africa, others into Asia and Europe, etc and this is how the nations began.

Those who stayed behind in Babylon came under the leadership of Satan's key man, Nimrod. This became Satan's headquarters..it was the occult center of the world.

See Babylon Religion by David W. Daniels pages 22 - 27 and 37 - 43 and 51 - 52 and I have the book if you would like me to type out the story - I will - let's continue now......

Nimrod married Semiramis. After he died (his great uncle - Shem - put him to death and cut up his body in pieces) Semiramis married her son,Tammuz, who was said to be Nimrod reborn. ( reincarnation remains a teaching in the occult to this very day)

Imagine this if you will:

They had a think tank of evil. They were just as smart as any living man today. They planned a super religion without God - to control the populations of the world. What they came up with was so well planned that today it is in every country in the world under different religious names. It was Satan's masterpiece to destroy the souls of religious men - see Angel of Light - Chick Publications.

There is much more I will share later with you - going to take a break here. Thanks for reading.

(you will see that these workers of Satan - never abandoned their plans for a One World Government - stay tuned - the best is to yet to come)

 

[PoliticalChic]

Mesopotamia.

The Fertile Crescent, between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers.




1. According to the Bible, Noah survived the great flood, and we find Noah's great-grandson, Nimrod, building the Tower of Babel.

a. "The first mention of Nimrod is in the Table of Nations.[3]He is described as the son of Cush, grandson of Ham, and great-grandson of Noah; and as "mighty in the earth" and "a mighty hunter before the Lord". This is repeated in the First Book of Chronicles 1:10, and the "Land of Nimrod" used as a synonym for Assyria or Mesopotamia, is mentioned in the Book of Micah5:6" Nimrod - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


b. "The Generations of Noah or Table of Nations(Genesis 10 of the Hebrew Bible) is a traditional ethnology representing the expansion of humankind from the descendants of Noah and their dispersion into many lands after the Flood.[1]The 70 names in the list express symbolically the unity of the human race, corresponding to the 70 descendants of Israel who go down into Egypt with Jacob at Genesis 46:27, and the 70 elders of Israel who visit God with Moses at the covenant ceremony in Exodus 24:1-9.[2]

As Christianity took over the Roman world, it adopted the idea that all the world's peoples were descended from Noah."
Generations of Noah - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




2. Nimrod's was the first kingdom in Mesopotamia, and included the metropolis of Ur, a city of the Chaldeans.

According to the historian Josephus, the Chaldeans were originally called the Arphaxadites, having descended from Shem's son Arphaxad..."This is the accountof Shem’s family line.

Two years after the flood, when Shem was 100 years old, he became the father of Arphaxad." Genesis 11:10. And Abram, later Abraham, father of three great religions, lived in Ur and was a descendent of Arphaxad.





3. The Chaldeans were quite an advanced civilization. "They have a 5,500-year history dating back to Mesopotamia—the cradle of civilization—which is present day Iraq. According to the Old Testament (Gen. 11:31), Abraham was from the city of Ur—which is identified as “Ur of the Chaldeans,” the city of his ancestors....the first civilization to:

· Invent the wheel

· Discover how to make glass

· Discover astronomy

· Use a writing system (cuneiform)

· Invent the yearly calendar, composed of 360 days and 12 months (and the 60-second minute and 60-minute hour)

· Use weights and measures, which were standardized in Babylon around 2,500 B.C.

· Hammurabi’s Code, which was a revolutionary step in the development of fairness and equality under the law.

· In 600 B.C., Nebuchadnezzar built the “Hanging Gardens of Babylon” (one of the original Seven Wonders of the Ancient World) to console his queen who missed the mountains and greenery of her native Media."
A Rich History Chaldean Community Foundation

I enjoy reading your threads, Political Chic, because you dive into the subject with plenty of research of your own and you are, in my opinion, the most intelligent writer on USMB. Your choice of topics are usually very interesting and this thread you've made is no exception. I'd like to respond with some of my own research on the subject, albeit late! I hope you'll read it and consider some thoughts that came to me while reading it. I will also cite my sources.

First from the King James Bible in Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

That is where man came from. Created by God. In the Image of God, from the earth. Interesting in Genesis 1:26,27 it is written:

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness, and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Genesis 1:26,27

Now returning to where we came from. The earth. It is an interesting to note that the following elements are found to be the same in the human body and soil..... which backs up the Bible. Sodium, chlorine, phosphorus, potassium, sulpher, iodine, copper, iron, cobalt, manganese, fluorine, zinc, molybdenem and 3 others which have later been defined: chronium, selenium and silicon. See the source Nutrition for Today by Alfen-Slater and Aftergood.

Now in order to understand where we are today we do need to understand the past. In fact, one person of history said that the further we can see back to the past the further we can see into the future. Was it Churchill? I cannot recall. In any case, it is important to understand the history so before getting into Nimrod and the towel of Babel, let's go back to when Satan was cast out of heaven.

First, I'll quote from a Jack Chick publication - Angel of Light - page 9 - God created all the angels - including Lucifer. The light of God shone through Lucifer's body making him an angel of light. Lucifer was perfect in wisdom and beauty. Lucifer shielded God's throne. He was the top angel in heaven. See Ezekiel 28:11-19 . The very first sin in history was when Lucifer wanted to be a god. This is covered in the King James Bible Isaiah 14:12-14

It is written:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How are thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God. I will sit also upon the mountain of the congregation, in the sides of the north. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the most high. Isaiah 14: 12-14

Lucifer became power mad. He conned 1/3 of the angels in heaven into joining him. His plan was to take control of heaven. Why not? Wasn't he perfect? He forgot one thing.....He wasn't the Creator of the universe. Then God moved. They were booted out of heaven and given a new location: the planet earth and the atmosphere around it. Lucifer was given new names: Satan (the accuser) the devil (little god) the prince and power of the air, and god of this world, the dragon, etc.

The only way we learn about Satan is through the Bible (God's Holy Word). And Satan hates the Bible because it blows his cover. He has tried his best to destroy it but he couldn't so he starts religious movements which change the Bible message. Let's see how cleverly that is done. One example:

A quote from Journal of Discourses by Brigham Young Volume 1 page 50

"When our Father Adam came into the Garden of Eden, He came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is Michael, the archangel, the ancient of days! About whom the holy men have written and spoken - He (Adam) is our Father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do.
- Brigham Young
- President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day saints - known as the MORMONS.
Beware of Mormon Missionaries!

This is what is known as blasphemy. He shot down the Bible, it is an old technique and remember Satan is the author of all false teaching. So beware of false teachers. Later we'll see how the Roman Catholic religion came out of the Babylonian occult. But for now let us return to the beginning - the fall in the garden - God had given dominion of the earth to Adam. Satan was outraged that he was aced out by a mere human. Satan knew that if he could make Adam sin, then he'd get control of the earth away from Adam.

Adam fell into sin, man died spiritually and sin spread throughout the human race......we all inherited a rebellious nature. Satan won control. He hated man in the Garden of Eden and he hates mankind today. Even the people who think he's on their side and worship him do not understand. They do not understand his game - see page 12 of Angel of Light for full story -

In a short time men became so rotten mentally and physically that God destroyed them by flood. Under Satan the world had become an insane asylum.

See Genesis 7:23

Only Noah and his family and those animals put on the ark were saved. Mankind was given another chance. When Noah and his family departed from the ark - Satan and his gang were waiting for them. Satan's fallen angels were unclean spirits or demons.

Noah had three sons: Ham, Shem and Japheth who were with him on the Ark. Ham had a son named Cush. Cush helped to develop the "Great Conspiracy" (plans to rule the world) Cush pushed for the building of a tower that would reach into heaven.....It was easy, Everybody spoke the same language - see Genesis 11:1-6

Cush had a son named Nimrod. Satan was delighted! This was his man! See Genesis 10: 8,9 and you can do a word study on "mighty man", "mighty hunter" but returning to the story -
Nimrod was a mighty hunter (of the souls of men) Nimrod built the great city of Babylon. He and his wife (Semiramis - she was the most beautiful woman on the earth at the time and a powerful witch) worked up an evil system, to control humanity by the occult, politics and a super counterfeit religion. For the sources on the true story of Nimrod, Semiramis and the facts on Babylon and the occult - read the book Babylon Religion by David W. Daniels (2006) and the Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop (published in1858) both books are available at Chick Publications.
Before going any further let me go back and make clear that Ham (son of Noah) was Cush's father and Nimrod's Great Grandfather - Ham committed a very serious sin against his father, Noah.

It is written:

These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread. And Noah began to be a husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: And he drank of the wine, and was drunken, and he was uncovered within his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.
Genesis 1:21,22
(there are some theologians that believe Ham raped his own father)

So now let us return back to the story of Nimrod and his wife -

Nimrod's wife, Semiramis, was one of the most evil women who ever lived. To really tie this new religion together, Semiramis would later marry her own son, Tammuz. The story is that they plunged so deeply into human sacrifice - sacrificing babies became a common religious practice - Nimrod's great uncle, Shem, one of Noah's three sons became so outraged that he killed Nimrod and cut him into pieces as an example to others

Note from me - your going to learn later on that even in the secrets of the Masons and the Ladies of the Labrinth there is evidence that the roots of it go right back to this very source!

Now once again we have to return to the story of Cush. When Ham looked upon his father's nakedness, Noah put a curse on one of Ham's sons, Canaan. (See Genesis 9:24,25) Ham's other son, Cush became the big man in politics. He rebelled against God, who commanded the people fill the earth ( see Genesis 9:1) Cush brought the people together in one place.

See Crusaders Volume 9 Angel of light - page 13 also.

The idea of a one world government was started way back there just after the flood. They started construction on the Tower of Babel in the plains of Shinar. (Genesis 11:2) They wanted to make it reach into heaven. It would be the center of religious and political systems. Astrology was their science for learning how to be gods, and to control everyone and everything. This was the first "United Nations Building" (so to speak). NOTE - Astrology is of the occult - any witch who is going to operate in satanic powers must have a knowledge of astrology - the two go hand in hand.

So God knew what they were up to - he could see the tower and the city they were building and so God destroyed their unity by dividing their language. No one understood what the other was saying. They went mad with frustration, Communication was a disaster - Everyone looked for someone who spoke their language and when they found that person they stayed together and eventually everyone took off in different directions. Some groups went into Africa, others into Asia and Europe, etc and this is how the nations began.

Those who stayed behind in Babylon came under the leadership of Satan's key man, Nimrod. This became Satan's headquarters..it was the occult center of the world.

See Babylon Religion by David W. Daniels pages 22 - 27 and 37 - 43 and 51 - 52 and I have the book if you would like me to type out the story - I will - let's continue now......

Nimrod married Semiramis. After he died (his great uncle - Shem - put him to death and cut up his body in pieces) Semiramis married her son,Tammuz, who was said to be Nimrod reborn. ( reincarnation remains a teaching in the occult to this very day)

Imagine this if you will:

They had a think tank of evil. They were just as smart as any living man today. They planned a super religion without God - to control the populations of the world. What they came up with was so well planned that today it is in every country in the world under different religious names. It was Satan's masterpiece to destroy the souls of religious men - see Angel of Light - Chick Publications.

There is much more I will share later with you - going to take a break here. Thanks for reading.

(you will see that these workers of Satan - never abandoned their plans for a One World Government - stay tuned - the best is to yet to come)

1. First of all....I must say, it is difficult say that it's difficult to make Asian folk blush....but you did. Thank you so much for that very gracious compliment.


2. You post was more than interesting. Each of us takes a topic and manages to make it our own. I enjoyed the way you wove it in several directions, all religion-based.

3. I wanted to move in these directions: cultural, and political. When I started I wanted to include the things about the Chaldean's scientific developments, several I found surprising.

a. Toyed with the idea of including the Michelangelo painting of Pope Sixtus's chapel, with God on a cloak which is actually an outline of a cerebrum; e.g., God's gift of intelligence revealed in the culture that Abram came from.

4. And, I wanted to document the Leftist, secular slant of wikipedia, trying to suggest that the Abraham story 'couldn't have been true' with the quote from the Encyclopedia Britannica, which gives quite a different slant.

5. Let me add one more note that your post brought to mind....
Obama,,,a Saul Alinsky acolyte....we should never forget the dedication that Alinsky had in his book, "Rules For Radicals,"....

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer"

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Thank you for your reply, Political chic, as you wanted to explore the cultural / political side - my intention was to prove that the first agenda of Cush / Nimrod and Semiramis was to use the occult to deceive the masses into believing their intellect was of God and not of Satan- that the culture - the creation of a one world order / Government would be of great benefit to man - provided it be without God -as this first attempt failed (Towel of Babel) the second has been introducing an ingenius plan of having the illusion of a "religious aspect of it - albeit a one world false religion" which we know will come in time due to prophecy in Rev.. This very same one world religious leader and it's teachings of course coming straight from the original - which originated in Babylon. One cannot be separated from the other as you will find if you research Freemasonry, illuminati, who controls international banking, who financed Nazi party in Germany and the Communist party in Russia - war / world economy / international banking is big business for the Babylonian religion. In closing, perhaps the greatest accomplishment thus far of this move towards a new world order was the fact that the one behind it all has yet to be exposed. On a large scale anyhow - and unfortunately because people fail to look far enough back into history (which is factual and not a fairy tale as some would claim) - it will most definitely result in a repeat of it - and this time far worse. Thanks for the great thread. I enjoyed reading it. Have a nice day and I look forward to reading your next thread.

 

[irosie91]

I am intrigued, Jeri. Nimrod was the nemesis of
Abraham-----and the TOWER OF BABEL was not
only an attempt to conquer heaven-----but also INCLUDED a devaluation of people as compared to the power
of the KING<<<<that's the story. Here is the poetic
imagery In building the tower----if a brick fell----the
event was considered a big deal----but if a worker fell and
died----the event was trivial and ignored. The story
symbolizes Abraham's rejection of BABYLONIAN
SOCIETY and its "values". ----a one religion world---
renders a ONE MAN PLANET RULE----likely