Where do jobs come from?

[manu1959]

Well, to answer your question, jobs are created in the American capitalist society when an employer needs additional labor in order to increase his profit margin.

For example, I frequent a sole proprietorship coffee bar here (near Seattle). The owner decides that she can be profiable by operating between 5 AM and 7 PM seven days a week. However, she cannot be there the whole time, meaning she cannot attain her maximum profit level. She therefore hires an employee (actually I think she has 5-6) to work during those times.

Bottom line: jobs are made when additional labor means additional profits.

so was this a result of dem influence or rep influence? which one of the two would help this grow and which would hurt it?

mandatory health care?
tax cut?
higher taxes?
epa rules and regs?
and so on

somehow the dems think if the do more to help the workers it will create more jobs but the true result is the owner of this coffe shop will go fuck it and go get a job at starbucks

 

[5stringJeff]

so was this a result of dem influence or rep influence? which one of the two would help this grow and which would hurt it?

mandatory health care?
tax cut?
higher taxes?
epa rules and regs?
and so on

somehow the dems think if the do more to help the workers it will create more jobs but the true result is the owner of this coffe shop will go fuck it and go get a job at starbucks

To answer your first question, what helps it grow is a laissez-faire government, one that regulates as little as possible. What hurts it is the opposite.

Mandatory health care would hurt employment. The reason why is that it would dramatically add to the cost of labor. To use my previous example, the coffee shop I go to (Endicott Coffee Shop, Puyallup, WA) employs 5 people (if I'm counting right). Most employees make minimum wage or close to it ($7.15 in WA). If the owner is forced to pay health care benefits to the employees, the cost of labor rises dramatically (let's say, for example, $2/hr). So now an employee costs her $9.15 an hour instead of $7.15. To keep her profit margins, she will be forced to cut back on labor costs by working more herself, meaning either one employee loses their job altogether, or all of them take fewer hours.

Tax cut: income tax cuts for the business owner means she has more money (more profits). What does she do with that? In her case, she is currently expanding her business, renting out a second location and providing more jobs. She is also branching out and adding soups to the menu (more of an afternoon food) to expand her profits.

Higher taxes: see the paragraph above, and take the opposite. Less money, less chance for expansion, less opportunity for more jobs. Eventually, tax her enough, and she will determine that it is not worth it to run her own business, and now you have five unemployed people.

EPA/OSHA regs: while some regulations are fine, many regulations are overly burdensome. This would apply a bit more to industrial jobs than retail, though.

The bottom line is this: if you want more jobs in America, you have to help the people who are creating jobs, i.e. SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS.

 

[freeandfun1]

To answer your first question, what helps it grow is a laissez-faire government, one that regulates as little as possible. What hurts it is the opposite.

Mandatory health care would hurt employment. The reason why is that it would dramatically add to the cost of labor. To use my previous example, the coffee shop I go to (Endicott Coffee Shop, Puyallup, WA) employs 5 people (if I'm counting right). Most employees make minimum wage or close to it ($7.15 in WA). If the owner is forced to pay health care benefits to the employees, the cost of labor rises dramatically (let's say, for example, $2/hr). So now an employee costs her $9.15 an hour instead of $7.15. To keep her profit margins, she will be forced to cut back on labor costs by working more herself, meaning either one employee loses their job altogether, or all of them take fewer hours.

Tax cut: income tax cuts for the business owner means she has more money (more profits). What does she do with that? In her case, she is currently expanding her business, renting out a second location and providing more jobs. She is also branching out and adding soups to the menu (more of an afternoon food) to expand her profits.

Higher taxes: see the paragraph above, and take the opposite. Less money, less chance for expansion, less opportunity for more jobs. Eventually, tax her enough, and she will determine that it is not worth it to run her own business, and now you have five unemployed people.

EPA/OSHA regs: while some regulations are fine, many regulations are overly burdensome. This would apply a bit more to industrial jobs than retail, though.

The bottom line is this: if you want more jobs in America, you have to help the people who are creating jobs, i.e. SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS.

I agree with you but as we saw with Clinton, when a government is too laissez-faire, it will lead to scandals and corruption that will hurt the economy.

 

[5stringJeff]

I agree with you but as we saw with Clinton, when a government is too laissez-faire, it will lead to scandals and corruption that will hurt the economy.

Like I said, though, some regulations are OK. Anti-corruption and anti-monopoly laws are, IMO, good, because they allow the market to operate freely.

 

[freeandfun1]

Like I said, though, some regulations are OK. Anti-corruption and anti-monopoly laws are, IMO, good, because they allow the market to operate freely.

I just couldn't help but point out to the libs reading this how it was CLINTON that led us down a path of corporate corruptions and scandals.

 

[Zhukov]

and low and behold you now see where dem philosphy ends

I've known for quite awhile.

Their post-democratic Bureaucracy (big B) mentality is nothing but "back-door Communism".

There will be no revolution. Instead the idea is for the government to slowly expand and consume everything.

 

[Bonnie]

I've known for quite awhile.

Their post-democratic Bureaucracy (big B) mentality is nothing but "back-door Communism".

There will be no revolution. Instead the idea is for the government to slowly expand and consume everything.

This has been a calculated slow progression of Socialism done in small increments so as to catch most in the country unaware, and unable to stop what has already occured becauase it is so entrenched in society as entitlements, disguised as fairness.

 

[shadrack]

This has been a calculated slow progression of Socialism done in small increments so as to catch most in the country unaware, and unable to stop what has already occured becauase it is so entrenched in society as entitlements, disguised as fairness.

Are you sure it's that simple?

 

[drowe]

I noticed this thread has come full circle

(post #4)

America’s economy is a reflection of two famous economists (well as famous as economists can be) and their principles:

Adam Smith - limited Government involvement (around the time of The Declaration Of Independence)

John Maynard Keynes - more govt involvement (hit the scene around 1930's and FDR's New Deal ushered in Big govt shortly thereafter).

FDR employed many Keynesian economic policies in his New Deal, which was challenged by many as leaning too close to statism. However, America was comfortable with statism compared to living in poverty during the depression. Moreover, the New deal was only to get us through the Depression which it did until WWII. But America still has not been able to rid itself of her big government tendencies. These tendencies include an overwhelming idea from the American public that the economy is controlled by the government. And boy do some politicians play to this ignorance.

It is also interesting to note:

In 1932, the impact of the Great Depression resulted in revived support for the Socialist Party, and 896,000 votes were cast for the Party's Presidential candidate, Norman Thomas. But, by 1936, the left-liberal policies of the New Deal took a severe toll. In that year, David Dubinsky and other socialist union leaders in New York called on their membership to vote for Roosevelt, and formed the Social Democratic Federation to promote socialism within the ranks of the liberal/labor wing of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY. Source: http://sp-usa.org/about/history/early-years.html

 

[regent]

If government passes laws to help its businesses, is that socialism?

If government passes laws to help its citizens, is that socialsism?