Where Do Guns Belong..

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    .....in our eternal search for the 'crisis de jour'????

    How does that old saw go, “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.”
    Is there a saying for ‘fool me a dozen times’?




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    John T. Flynn wrote in “As We Go Marching,” that the change, a seismic change, was from classically liberal to statist governing in all three governments, featuring the welfare state and government planning and direction of society. In 1944, Flynn predicted that the policies of the New Deal would lead to ever increasing federal deficits. Thus, he stated, the New Deal had put itself in a position of needing a state of permanent crisis, or one of permanent war, to justify its social interventions:

    “It is born in crisis, lives on crisis, and cannot survive the era of crisis. By the very law of its nature it must create for itself, if it is to continue, fresh crises from year to year. Mussolini came to power in the postwar crisis and became himself a crisis in Italian life…Hitler’s story is the same. And our future is charted out upon the same turbulent road of permanent crisis.”
    John T. Flynn, “As We Go Marching,” p. 255, 256.


    So....guns?
    The new number one?
    Or right behind NYC subway trains.
     
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    Guns shouldn't even register on the crisis scale as there is no fucking gun crisis except for the one manufactured by the media and the gun grabbing control freaks...

    Where was all the concern while better than 40 people a month are murdered in Obama's home town of Chicago? They just passed 500 murders for the year, that's more than one every day. Five hundred in one year, the majority of which committed with guns, and they have some of the toughest gun control laws in the nation! Now somehow more laws will make a difference? Only if you are a law abiding citizen because fuck knows the folks committing 500 murders a year in Chicago don't give a flying rhinoceros fart about gun control.

    And one more thing...

    Why all the outrage about Sandy Hook? Yeah, I understand that it is a tragedy of unimaginable proportions, I've got kids. But I also understand that, contrary to what many would have you believe, mass shootings such as this are the exception, not the rule...

    So... Back to the question...

    Why all the outrage about Sandy Hook? Why has this tragedy got eveyone up in, pardon the turn of phrase, arms? Is it the age of the children involved? Are the teens and young adults in Chicago somehow not as important? Or do they somehow provide a poor basis for the argument for gun control? Is it because there were 26 in one day? Does that somehow make a difference? More that 40 a month doesn't work but 26 in one day makes a more stirring argument for gun control? Is race the issue? Certainly it could be argued that the majority of Chicago murder victims would fall into the minority demographic while the victims of Sandy Hook were white... Are our gun grabbing friends only worried about white kids?

    So, is Sandy Hook simply a crisis to be exploited? An opportunity for some to further their political goals? Until the concern and outrage is equal for all, I have to go with yes...
     
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    Guns belong in the possession of law abiding citizens who legally purchase them and then are responsible enough to learn how to use them.
     
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    A legislator on cable was saying that in the past 20 years, mass murders [most or all....can't remember ] have been committed in Gun Free Zones. :eusa_think:

    SNIP:

    "What a lethal, false security are the "gun-free zone" laws. Virtually all mass murders in the past 20 years have occurred in gun-free zones. The two people murdered several days earlier in a shopping center in Oregon were also killed in a gun-free zone.

    "Hopefully, the Connecticut tragedy will be the tipping point after which a rising chorus of Americans will demand elimination of the gun-free zone laws that are in fact criminal-safe zones."

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2012/12/16/gun-free-zones-larry-pratt/1773473/
     
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    "The people inside this building have no means of protecting themselves from criminals and mentally ill people, who wish to harm us by using firearms."

    This statement was shortened to "Gun Free Zone", so it would fit neatly on placards that are posted on the doors of all entrances.
     
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    I'll bet you've seen this report, but let me repeat it....it verifies your point.


    "So why did the killer pick the Cinemark theater? You might think that it was the one closest to the killer’s apartment. Or, that it was the one with the largest audience.

    Yet, neither explanation is right. Instead, out of all the movie theaters within 20 minutes of his apartment showing the new Batman movie that night, it was the only one where guns were banned.

    In Colorado, individuals with permits can carry concealed handgun in most malls, stores, movie theaters, and restaurants. But private businesses can determine whether permit holders can carry guns on their private property.

    Most movie theaters allow permit holders carrying guns. But the Cinemark movie theater was the only one with a sign posted at the theater’s entrance.

    A simple web search and some telephone calls reveal how easily one can find out how Cinemark compared to other movie theaters. According to mapquest.com and movies.com, there were seven movie theaters showing "The Dark Knight Rises" on July 20th within 20 minutes of the killer’s apartment at 1690 Paris St, Aurora, Colorado. At 4 miles and an 8-minute car ride, the Cinemark’s Century Theater wasn't the closest. Another theater was only 1.2 miles (3 minutes) away.
    There was also a theater just slightly further away, 10 minutes. It is the "home of Colorado's largest auditorium," according to their movie hotline greeting message. The potentially huge audience ought to have been attractive to someone trying to kill as many people as possible. Four other theaters were 18 minutes, two at 19 minutes, and 20 minutes away. But all of those theaters allowed permitted concealed handguns.

    So why would a mass shooter pick a place that bans guns? The answer should be obvious, though it apparently is not clear to the media – disarming law-abiding citizens leaves them as sitting ducks."
    Read more: Did Colorado shooter single out Cinemark theater because it banned guns? | Fox News
     

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