Where did Barry's "soaring rhetoric" go?

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we are the 47% and we will swing the election in Ohio and Penn






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[jillian]

Do you think those voting for President Obama are voting on content, facts, or any substance other than pure emotion? Once you fall in 'love', almost anything is forgivable. Those early speeches created the relationship. And it is that infatuation that seems to remain with most of his supporters.

I think Romney hit the nail on the head: 47% of voting Americans do so to protect their government cheese alotment, and a hamster would receive their vote it they though it would continue to feed them.

you know... smart people should have called romney out on that. it's the big rightwingnut lie... not because it's 'insensitive' to needy people... but because most of us... pay huge amounts of taxes. i know i do. and i know i pulled the lever for obama last time and will this time, because i'm not stupid enough to go back to the same failed policies that baby bush pursued.

and feel free to let me know when red states start paying more into the system than they take. for people who keep sucking up federal funds, they sure complain a lot about government.

 

[Foxfyre]

I heard it and shrugged it off because I instantly recognized as hypnotic patter.

I knew he didn't write it, couldn't have written it, and had no idea how the patterns of language he was reading off the prompter would affect the suggestible mind...His rambling and borderline incoherent inaugural speech, which was (claimed) to have been written by he himself, confirmed my suspicions.

In any case, I explained in the OP what happened to you...The reality didn't match the ideas of what "change" would look like in your life, so the patter not only wouldn't work this time around but would actually be repellant, as rapport and credibility have been broken.

Ya follow?

I follow but don't really agree with the mechanism in my case. I'm too much the journalist/investigator not to be jaded when it comes to persuasive speech. Sort of the old saw that a good salesman can't be sold or something along that line. So other than the concrete promises I touched on in my previous post, I wasn't buying the sales talk. And I don't buy it now, from anybody.

But what you are suggesting is that Obama did even turn out to be an empty suit devoid of principle, character, or conviction as I now see him. You are suggesting he was an innocent tool; a clueless marionette being manipulated by visible strings?

Who do you think the puppeteer is?

I'm suggesting that his ego was played up to...No big feat when you're dealing with a narcissist of his caliber...I don't know who wrote the speeches then or where they are today, I just know that the speeches aren't there now and have a strong suspicion as to why.

The "concrete promises" -which turned opt to be total lies- were there to get the skeptical like you to suspend your disbelief and pique your curiosity just long enough to let the rest of the patter in for just a moment's consideration, and that's all that was necessary....At that point, you didn't need to be one of the mindless chanting zombies...You were open to the possibility that he might actually come across, and that's all that was needed.

The greater point here being that if he were to come back with the same, or even a variation of, the old hopey-changey patter, no small amount of those who are still on the fringes of wanting to give him anther chance would be repelled, as they'd be far less inclined to suspend the disbelief and go with the flow of the rhetoric again....In technical jargon, polarity response.

Well, (cough), I'll have to agree with the "hope" part of your assessment of my motives, and soothe my wounded ego here with the excuse that the GOP didn't offer me much hope with McCain. I've been watching McCain for decades now and knew pretty well what we would get with him and I didn't want much of that. In retrospect, I still believe he would have made a crappy administrator and probably would have finished putting the nails in the coffin of the GOP, but there is no way in hell he would have done the damage that Obama has done. I believe McCain loves his country and would have done nothing intentionally to harm it. I do not feel that way after four years of Obama that he loves his country and that he has not intended to harm it.

But the first rattle out of the box with Obama was his signing off on that first pork laden appropriations bill. No keeping of his campaign promise to veto pork. No keeping of his promise for transparency. With his lame excuse that it was a leftover of a Bush budget, he betrayed one of the key reasons I liked his campaign rhetoric. And then there was the stimulus bill. Another campaign promise for fiscal responsibility broken. And then there was the "apology tour" and the push for Obamacare and I was no longer any kind of a fan.

Fool me once. . . shame on you. . . .and all that.

And THAT is when I started doing serious homework on Barack Hussein Obama and found out how so many had been snookered.

And yes, I do now believe there are puppeteers behind the scenes pulling the strings and ordering the direction. I no longer believe Obama is competent enough to do that on his own. Maybe years later, when it is politically and/or physically safe to do so, some good historian will dig out the whole story.

 

[Samson]

Do you think those voting for President Obama are voting on content, facts, or any substance other than pure emotion? Once you fall in 'love', almost anything is forgivable. Those early speeches created the relationship. And it is that infatuation that seems to remain with most of his supporters.

I think Romney hit the nail on the head: 47% of voting Americans do so to protect their government cheese alotment, and a hamster would receive their vote it they though it would continue to feed them.

you know... smart people should have called romney out on that. it's the big rightwingnut lie... not because it's 'insensitive' to needy people... but because most of us... pay huge amounts of taxes. i know i do. and i know i pulled the lever for obama last time and will this time, because i'm not stupid enough to go back to the same failed policies that baby bush pursued.

and feel free to let me know when red states start paying more into the system than they take. for people who keep sucking up federal funds, they sure complain a lot about government.

Ahem.....as happy as I am to imagine you "pulling the lever" for anyone, I think we all know what Romney was talking about: 47% of the voters are TAKING ADVANTAGE OF GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS THAT THEY DO NOT REALLY NEED.

It is not necessarily the programs that are the problem, but they are so poorly administered that they cost MUCH more than anyone ever intended them to cost.

Take for example IDEA (Individuals with Disabilities Act) that Ford (R) signed into law. No one really can argue with the concept: People with disabilities need government assistance.

However, the costs of this program have far exceeded anyone's (with the ironic exception of Gerald Ford) wildest dreams! This is because lawyers abuse the intent through suites that claim practically anyone is disabled and they require every fucking form of assistance you may imagine.

 

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Barack Hussein Obama II, President of the United States of America

 

[Dreamy]

Do you think those voting for President Obama are voting on content, facts, or any substance other than pure emotion? Once you fall in 'love', almost anything is forgivable. Those early speeches created the relationship. And it is that infatuation that seems to remain with most of his supporters.

True as that may be, there are still those who bought into the rhetoric, let it paint pictures in their minds as to how the "change" was going to manifest itself, and now the reality doesn't match what they had been lead to imagine....For those people, the NLP/hypnosis language used in 2008 would be resisted and the "soaring" speeches would come across to them as so much word salad.

They might need intense deprogramming or perhaps it is just a lack of air?



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[PoliticalChic]

Been having a protracted online conversation with some NLP and hypnosis pros on this one over the last few days.

Seems consensus has been reached as to why the florid speeches of hopey-changey have vanished, and why they wouldn't work were they being used this time around... Turns out that the idea of "change" as floated by Obama's 2008 campaign flies in the face of numerous clinical rules on how to guide clients and subjects from point A to point B, and it appears obvious that the spinmeisters and speechwriters in the campaign today know this.

1) Know your outcome.

Change for the sake of it or oriented in terms of avoidance (i.e. quitting smoking, losing weight) sets the subject up for failure...Changes need to be specific and stated in terms of gain, to have the emotional impact that propels the subject to attain the desired objective..."Hope" and "change" are far too subjective and open to emotional interpretation of the interpreter...Result: Recipe for failure baked into the cake.​

2) The change must be under your control.

The throwaway platitude of "The change we need doesn't come from Washington. Change comes to Washington." belted out by Obama in his nomination acceptance speech tells us all we need to know here...You give up what "change" means to an outside influence, you will then almost certainly be disappointed in the manifestation of that change... In order for any change to have a personal impact, it must be under one's control so that the physical evidence the change creates is not in doubt... Expecting others to deliver to you your change, when you want it, and exactly the way you want it is as sure a pathway to failure that there is.​

3) You need evidence that the change is in fact occurring.

Not in control of your change and surprised that you end up with 15+% real unemployment for 3+ years, another $6 trillion in debt, more foreign wars, more police/snoop state, more bureaucracy, schools that still suck, $4.00 gasoline, lobbyists infesting the White House, GITMO still open, (your favorite gripe here)?...Well, that's what you get for leaving your ideas of what constitutes change in the hands of someone else, let alone someone who doesn't even know you...For millions upon millions of Americans, the change they imagined never came.​

4) No evidence = No credibility and no reason to continue the program.

Your subject doesn't get the clearly defined outcomes they desire, and you're out of a client...They'll go to the Yellow Pages and look up witch doctors.​

Long and the short of it: Even if Obama went back to the NLP/hypnosis Jedi mind trick "soaring rhetoric" speeches, the reality doesn't match the words...Hopey-changey was so much semantic snake oil...The only people who would buy into it this time around would be the Kool-Aid snorting true believers, and it would most likely turn off those who aren't....Therefore, all that remains is the scorched Earth campaign that has been waged.

"...why the florid speeches of hopey-changey have vanished,..."

Well...obviously, he must have had a falling-out with the author of his 'autobiography,' Bill Ayers......his inspiration.

 

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we are the 47% and we will swing the election in Ohio and Penn






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more bad news

RealClearPolitics - Latest Election Polls


for Romney/Ryan supporters
Back in January, people had the race close. So where is Romney's gain?

Get it yet?

January 16th, 2012
04:00 PM ET
291 days ago
CNN Poll: Obama tied with Romney & Paul in November showdowns
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Washington (CNN) – Mitt Romney is all tied up with President Barack Obama in a likely general election matchup, with the president showing signs of weakness on the economy and Romney seen as out of touch with ordinary Americans, according to a new national survey.

And a CNN/ORC International Poll released Monday also indicates that Rep. Ron Paul of Texas is also even with Obama in another possible showdown this November. The survey also suggests the Republican advantage on voter enthusiasm is eroding, which could be crucial in a close contest.

See full results (pdf) CNN Poll: Obama tied with Romney & Paul in November showdowns – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

 

[Listening]

we are the 47% and we will swing the election in Ohio and Penn






USMB Covers News MSM Will Not!!!

The only thing you'll swing is over to the welfare office to apply for more food stamps.

 

[Listening]

Where did Barry's "soaring rhetoric" go?

...

over your head

And up your ass.

 

[del]

Where did Barry's "soaring rhetoric" go?

...

over your head

And up your ass.

warbler?

 

[AmericanFirst]

Do you think those voting for President Obama are voting on content, facts, or any substance other than pure emotion? Once you fall in 'love', almost anything is forgivable. Those early speeches created the relationship. And it is that infatuation that seems to remain with most of his supporters.

Of course the Right, who didn't want Bishop Willard but are voting for him purely because they HATE Obama and/or Democrats, are not the least bit "emotional."
Once you are possessed by pure hate you can rationalize any justification for your actions.

To the wicked, everything serves as pretext.
Voltaire

Yep, we hate socialism, therefore we will vote the idiot in chief obamaturd out of office. I am not a racist, I hate obamaturd because of his anti American views, as I do all socialists.