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    That article is hardly evenhanded. There's nothing there that would convince anyone that wasn't already convinced. It's an opinion piece and NOT smoking gun evidence of anything.
     
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    The IPCC claim that the Amazon and the Himalayan glacial ice were in dire peril were gleaned from unreviewed opinion/advocacy pieces too, but that doesn't seem to matter at all to cultists like you.
     
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    You claim the glaciers are not in retreat?

    Geology News: Himalayan Glacier Retreat Blamed on Global Warming

    Himalayan Glacier Retreat Blamed on Global Warming


    Glaciers of the Himalaya Mountain Range are an enormous reservoir of fresh water and their meltwater is an important resource for much of India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Nepal, Bhutan, China and Burma. A team of Indian scientists lead by Anil V. Kulkarni of the Indian Space Research Organization, studied surface area coverage for nearly 500 glaciers in the Chenab, Parabati, and Baspa basins using satellite data collected between 1962 and 2001.

    They documented that most of these glaciers have retreated significantly. In 1962 a total of 2077 square kilometers was covered by glaciers and in 2001 that area was reduced to 1628 square kilometers. This represents a deglaciation of over twenty percent over a forty year period
     
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    Global glacier retreat

    Himalayas
    In the main Himalayan Range from India-Nepal and Sikkim a the terminus behavior of 51 glaciers have been examined for the 1975-2003 period. All 51 have retreated and continue to retreat. In India the Gangotri Glacier retreated 34 m per year from 1975-2006 and is currently retreating at meters per year. This glaciers remains over 30 km long, and is not in danger of disappearing anytime soon. The glacier is the largest glacier at the headwaters of the Bhagirathi River, which has the Tehri Dam a 2400 mw hydropower facility. Gangotri Glacier has retreated 1 km in the last 30 years, and with an area of 286 km2 provides up to 190 m3/second (Singh et. al., 2006).Glaciers in the Mount Everest region of the Himalayas are all in a state of retreat. The Rongbuk Glacier, draining the north side of Mount Everest into Tibet, has been retreating 20 m per year. In the Khumbu region of Nepal along the front of the main Himalaya of 15 glaciers examined from 1976-2007 all retreated significantly, average retreat was 28 m per year . The most famous of these Khumbu Glacier retreated at a rate of 18 m per year from 1976-2007 (Bajracjarya and Mool, 2009). In India the Gangotri Glacier, retreated 34 m per year between 1970 and 1996, and has averaged a loss of 30 m per year since 2000. For the Indian Himalaya retreat averaged 19 meters per year for 17 glaciers all retreating . In Sikkim all 21 glaciers examined are retreating at an average rate of 20 m per year . For the 51 glaciers in the main Himalayan Range of India, Nepal and Sikkim all 51 are retreating, at an average rate of 23 m per year. The Zemu Glacier is a 26 km long glacier draining the east side of Kanchenjunga the world’s third highest mountain. Zemu Glacier has retreated 420 m from 1978-2005, a rate of 14 meters per year (Raina, 2009). The glacier acts as a natural reservoir releasing water due to melting to the Teetsa River. The Teetsa River is the focus of a hydropower development project , to date 510 mw of the proposed 3500 mw potential are operating. In the Karokoram Range of the Himalaya there is a mix of advancing and retreating glaciers with 18 advancing and 22 retreating during the 1980-2003 period. Many of the advancing Karokoram glaciers are surging.
    In the Wakhan Corridor of Afghanistan 28 of 30 glaciers examined for the 1976-2003 period retreated at an average rate of 11 m per year (Haritashya and others, 2009). Zemestan Glacier is an example the glacier has retreated 460 m during this period, about 10% of its total 5 km length.
     
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    Global glacier retreat

    Himalayas
    In the main Himalayan Range from India-Nepal and Sikkim a the terminus behavior of 51 glaciers have been examined for the 1975-2003 period. All 51 have retreated and continue to retreat. In India the Gangotri Glacier retreated 34 m per year from 1975-2006 and is currently retreating at meters per year. This glaciers remains over 30 km long, and is not in danger of disappearing anytime soon. The glacier is the largest glacier at the headwaters of the Bhagirathi River, which has the Tehri Dam a 2400 mw hydropower facility. Gangotri Glacier has retreated 1 km in the last 30 years, and with an area of 286 km2 provides up to 190 m3/second (Singh et. al., 2006).Glaciers in the Mount Everest region of the Himalayas are all in a state of retreat. The Rongbuk Glacier, draining the north side of Mount Everest into Tibet, has been retreating 20 m per year. In the Khumbu region of Nepal along the front of the main Himalaya of 15 glaciers examined from 1976-2007 all retreated significantly, average retreat was 28 m per year . The most famous of these Khumbu Glacier retreated at a rate of 18 m per year from 1976-2007 (Bajracjarya and Mool, 2009). In India the Gangotri Glacier, retreated 34 m per year between 1970 and 1996, and has averaged a loss of 30 m per year since 2000. For the Indian Himalaya retreat averaged 19 meters per year for 17 glaciers all retreating . In Sikkim all 21 glaciers examined are retreating at an average rate of 20 m per year . For the 51 glaciers in the main Himalayan Range of India, Nepal and Sikkim all 51 are retreating, at an average rate of 23 m per year. The Zemu Glacier is a 26 km long glacier draining the east side of Kanchenjunga the world’s third highest mountain. Zemu Glacier has retreated 420 m from 1978-2005, a rate of 14 meters per year (Raina, 2009). The glacier acts as a natural reservoir releasing water due to melting to the Teetsa River. The Teetsa River is the focus of a hydropower development project , to date 510 mw of the proposed 3500 mw potential are operating. In the Karokoram Range of the Himalaya there is a mix of advancing and retreating glaciers with 18 advancing and 22 retreating during the 1980-2003 period. Many of the advancing Karokoram glaciers are surging.
    In the Wakhan Corridor of Afghanistan 28 of 30 glaciers examined for the 1976-2003 period retreated at an average rate of 11 m per year (Haritashya and others, 2009). Zemestan Glacier is an example the glacier has retreated 460 m during this period, about 10% of its total 5 km length.
     
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    You're the cultists. It's all about faith and the "evil" Algore. The theory backing up AGW is EASILY demonstratable in the lab, but instead you get people setting up silly fish tank experiments, like that would tell you anything. It's simple to see on a lab spectrometer that CO2 and other gases absorb inb the infra-red range. More gas, more absorption. If only half would be statistically likely to be re-emitted into space, where's the other half going, but to heat the earth?
     
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    And in the Andes, the situation is even more dire.

    Retreat of Andean Glaciers Foretells Global Water Woes by Carolyn Kormann: Yale Environment 360

    Earlier this year, the World Bank released yet another in a seemingly endless stream of reports by global institutions and universities chronicling the melting of the world’s cryosphere, or ice zone. This latest report concerned the glaciers in the Andes and revealed the following: Bolivia’s famed Chacaltaya glacier has lost 80 percent of its surface area since 1982, and Peruvian glaciers have lost more than one-fifth of their mass in the past 35 years, reducing by 12 percent the water flow to the country’s coastal region, home to 60 percent of Peru’s population.

    And if warming trends continue, the study concluded, many of the Andes’ tropical glaciers will disappear within 20 years, not only threatening the water supplies of 77 million people in the region, but also reducing hydropower production, which accounts for roughly half of the electricity generated in Bolivia, Peru, and Ecuador.

    Chances are that many of Bolivia’s Aymara Indians heard little or nothingImage Gallery


    IPCC Working GroupLittle remains of the glacier on Chacaltaya.about the report. But then the Aymara — who make up at least 25 percent of Bolivia’s population — don’t need the World Bank to tell them what they can see with their own eyes: that the great Andean ice caps are swiftly vanishing. Those who live near Bolivia’s capital city of La Paz need only glance up at Illimani, the 21,135-foot mountain that looms over the city, and watch as its ice fields fade away. Their loss adds to a growing unease among the Aymara — and many Bolivians — who realize that the loss of the country’s glaciers could have profound consequences.
     
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    http://www.geo.umass.edu/faculty/bradley/vergara2007.pdf

    Field observations and historical records
    have been used to document the current
    pace of glacier retreat in the Andes [Francou
    et al., 2005]. This retreat is consistent with
    upward shifts in the freezing point isotherm
    and coincides with an overall warming of
    the Andean troposphere [Kaser, 2001; Francou
    et al., 2003]. Modeling work and projections
    indicate that many of the lower-altitude
    glaciers in the cordillera could completely
    disappear during the next 10–20 years [Bradley
    et al., 2006; Ramírez et al., 2001].
    Tropical glaciers (located between Bolivia
    and Venezuela) covered an area of over
    2940 square kilometers in 1970 but declined
    to 2493 square kilometers by 2002 [Kaser
    and Osmaston, 2002]. Many of the smaller
    glaciers (less than 1 square kilometer in
    area) have already declined in surface area,
    and most are likely to disappear within a
    generation. For example, Bolivia’s Chacaltaya
    glacier has lost most (82%) of its surface
    area since 1982 and may completely melt by
    2013 [Francou et al., 2003]. This rapid retreat
    has resulted in a temporary but unsustainable
    net increase in hydrological runoffs
    [Pouyaud et al., 2005].
     
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    Christofer Booker has no degrees in science, and has disseminated 'information' that has no basis in truth many times in the past. But he is payed well for it, and so deserves the admiration of most of the people on this board.
     

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