When will the dumbass protesters learn

[Cecilie1200]

It doesn't have to be one or the other. Blacks can commit disproportionate amounts of crime and still get sentences that are harsher and less just.

Generally speaking, people commit crimes within their racial group. And black men are 6 times more likely to die of violent crime than their white counter parts. With almost all of those committing violent crimes against blacks...being black. And by 'almost all', I mean 80 to 90%. That's a powerful indication that blacks commit disproportionate amounts of violent crime.

And.....they get longer sentences for the same offenses. They are less likely to get probation. They are less likely to get favorable plea deals. They are more likely to be convicted. And more likely to be sentenced to death.

So the answer to both the question of racism and the question of blacks committing disproportionately more crime is a resounding 'yes' on both counts.

I agree.

You do a crime, you should pay the consequences. Personally, I'm much more for getting rid of ALL parole and probation, house arrests, electronic monitoring, etc... These diminish the seriousness of the crime to the victims. A 10 year sentence should be ten years; 3,650 days. I know it's more expensive but if you were to put some real teeth into the sentencing, you would have less crime overall in my view.

However, apply the system equally throughout; from random stops to arrests, to warrant sweeps to investigating, to jury selection, to jury instructions, to sentencing. Why this is so hard to do is a mystery.

We already have more people in jail than any other country. We can't get rid of alternative sentencing.

Sure we could. We just don't have the political will to do so. Spending money to house prisoners is a basic tenant of society.

One would think a republican could see the jobs it would create.

Now, violent crimes, that's another matter altogether, but you are honestly not very smart if you can't understand why a DA might plea bargain a rich guy out for a hefty fine whereas a poor guy got a jail sentence for the same crime.

If the case is sound...it shouldn't be plea bargained; Its' not fair to the victim. Or do we not care about that any more?

"Fair to the victim"? No, that's never been a goal or concern of the legal system. Punishing the guilty, protecting society, deterring criminal behavior, and - where appropriate - bringing lawbreakers peacefully back into lawful society are what the legal system is about.

correct. The legal system is about getting justice for society , not for the individual victims.

Which is why criminal cases are State vs Fill-In-The-Blank. The offense is legally against society, not against the individual victim.

 

[candycorn]

I agree.

You do a crime, you should pay the consequences. Personally, I'm much more for getting rid of ALL parole and probation, house arrests, electronic monitoring, etc... These diminish the seriousness of the crime to the victims. A 10 year sentence should be ten years; 3,650 days. I know it's more expensive but if you were to put some real teeth into the sentencing, you would have less crime overall in my view.



However, apply the system equally throughout; from random stops to arrests, to warrant sweeps to investigating, to jury selection, to jury instructions, to sentencing. Why this is so hard to do is a mystery.

Here's a serious question for you. How much police training do you have?

Zero.

I have a Masters degree in Criminal Justice and retired as LTC in the Army, Military Police my entire career. I've went to some of the best training in the world on the subject, and I'm here to tell you like it or not, profiling is good police work.

Now , understand that there is MUCH more to profiling than "hey he's black get him" , that's racism and entirely inappropriate to good police work. That being said, being black CAN be part of a solid profile.

Master's degree? Yeah okay...

yes it does prove something.

It proves that in 100 years only six blacks were worth electing

you want to go again?

I encourage blacks to have interracial children. Having some white blood in them will make them more likely to be successful in life than if they were solid black.

Most blacks in Alabama can't read anyway. So who is going to be persuaded by these signs?

I bet your lone regret was not being able to turn the dogs loose on blacks...eh?

88% of all stop and frisks turned up nothing. Fact
The NYPD stopped 6 blacks for every 1 white. Fact

Seems like if they would have stopped more non-blacks, they would have a better batting average than 12%

But don't let facts stand in your way.

So let me see if I have this straight. I post a factual post that explains why police profile and you respond with drivel?

I don't respond to children candy, if you would like to continue this discussion, that means being willing to learn something about which you do not know anything about , then stay on point, I mean seriously, you didn't even respond to my actual post at all.

If not, I'll place you on ignore with the other children and move on.



Damn, surely one liberal on here actually wants to discuss

I'd bet you money right now thhttp://When will the dumbass protesters learn Page 10 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum so few whites were stopped and frisked in NYC simply because of WHERE the stop and frisks were employed. Think anyone was stopped and frisked in downtown Manhattan? Black or white? Doubtful

and here let me show you something else.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downlo...planning/2012_year_end_enforcement_report.pdf

whites commuted a whopping 9% of murders in NYC in 2012 Candy

5% of rapes in NYC were committed by whites Candy, FIVE percent

6% of robberies in NYC were by whites

9.5% of felonious assaults, by whites

and right on down the list Candy.

As I said, race is part of a profile of good police work, the fact that it offends you is irrelevant.

Well balls in your court, child or adult?

Of course this is what happens when you only stop blacks and question them (six times as often as whites anyway under stop and frisk).

Pointing out your obvious racism isn't drivel when the subject is the obvious racist slant of our criminal "justice" system.

I have no problem believing that blacks committed every crime you accuse them of. I just think it's odd that when you profile blacks (as you say they do), come up empty 88% of the time (as the stats indicate), and cite stats with any sort of certainty....

Obviously the cops were looking in the wrong spot

 

[candycorn]

It doesn't have to be one or the other. Blacks can commit disproportionate amounts of crime and still get sentences that are harsher and less just.

Generally speaking, people commit crimes within their racial group. And black men are 6 times more likely to die of violent crime than their white counter parts. With almost all of those committing violent crimes against blacks...being black. And by 'almost all', I mean 80 to 90%. That's a powerful indication that blacks commit disproportionate amounts of violent crime.

And.....they get longer sentences for the same offenses. They are less likely to get probation. They are less likely to get favorable plea deals. They are more likely to be convicted. And more likely to be sentenced to death.

So the answer to both the question of racism and the question of blacks committing disproportionately more crime is a resounding 'yes' on both counts.

I agree.

You do a crime, you should pay the consequences. Personally, I'm much more for getting rid of ALL parole and probation, house arrests, electronic monitoring, etc... These diminish the seriousness of the crime to the victims. A 10 year sentence should be ten years; 3,650 days. I know it's more expensive but if you were to put some real teeth into the sentencing, you would have less crime overall in my view.

However, apply the system equally throughout; from random stops to arrests, to warrant sweeps to investigating, to jury selection, to jury instructions, to sentencing. Why this is so hard to do is a mystery.

We already have more people in jail than any other country. We can't get rid of alternative sentencing.

Sure we could. We just don't have the political will to do so. Spending money to house prisoners is a basic tenant of society.

One would think a republican could see the jobs it would create.

Now, violent crimes, that's another matter altogether, but you are honestly not very smart if you can't understand why a DA might plea bargain a rich guy out for a hefty fine whereas a poor guy got a jail sentence for the same crime.

If the case is sound...it shouldn't be plea bargained; Its' not fair to the victim. Or do we not care about that any more?

"Fair to the victim"? No, that's never been a goal or concern of the legal system. Punishing the guilty, protecting society, deterring criminal behavior, and - where appropriate - bringing lawbreakers peacefully back into lawful society are what the legal system is about.

correct. The legal system is about getting justice for society , not for the individual victims.

Talk about drivel...

Much like saying the goal of an ER is to save the lives of humans not a given human.
Treating the rich differently (and better) is basically the GOP cure for everything....how sad

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Here's a serious question for you. How much police training do you have?

Zero.

I have a Masters degree in Criminal Justice and retired as LTC in the Army, Military Police my entire career. I've went to some of the best training in the world on the subject, and I'm here to tell you like it or not, profiling is good police work.

Now , understand that there is MUCH more to profiling than "hey he's black get him" , that's racism and entirely inappropriate to good police work. That being said, being black CAN be part of a solid profile.

Master's degree? Yeah okay...

yes it does prove something.

It proves that in 100 years only six blacks were worth electing

you want to go again?

I encourage blacks to have interracial children. Having some white blood in them will make them more likely to be successful in life than if they were solid black.

Most blacks in Alabama can't read anyway. So who is going to be persuaded by these signs?

I bet your lone regret was not being able to turn the dogs loose on blacks...eh?

88% of all stop and frisks turned up nothing. Fact
The NYPD stopped 6 blacks for every 1 white. Fact

Seems like if they would have stopped more non-blacks, they would have a better batting average than 12%

But don't let facts stand in your way.

So let me see if I have this straight. I post a factual post that explains why police profile and you respond with drivel?

I don't respond to children candy, if you would like to continue this discussion, that means being willing to learn something about which you do not know anything about , then stay on point, I mean seriously, you didn't even respond to my actual post at all.

If not, I'll place you on ignore with the other children and move on.



Damn, surely one liberal on here actually wants to discuss

I'd bet you money right now thhttp://When will the dumbass protesters learn Page 10 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum so few whites were stopped and frisked in NYC simply because of WHERE the stop and frisks were employed. Think anyone was stopped and frisked in downtown Manhattan? Black or white? Doubtful

and here let me show you something else.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downlo...planning/2012_year_end_enforcement_report.pdf

whites commuted a whopping 9% of murders in NYC in 2012 Candy

5% of rapes in NYC were committed by whites Candy, FIVE percent

6% of robberies in NYC were by whites

9.5% of felonious assaults, by whites

and right on down the list Candy.

As I said, race is part of a profile of good police work, the fact that it offends you is irrelevant.

Well balls in your court, child or adult?

Of course this is what happens when you only stop blacks and question them (six times as often as whites anyway under stop and frisk).

Pointing out your obvious racism isn't drivel when the subject is the obvious racist slant of our criminal "justice" system.

I have no problem believing that blacks committed every crime you accuse them of. I just think it's odd that when you profile blacks (as you say they do), come up empty 88% of the time (as the stats indicate), and cite stats with any sort of certainty....

Obviously the cops were looking in the wrong spot

Well, you said you were going to point out my "obvious racism" do so please.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

I agree.

You do a crime, you should pay the consequences. Personally, I'm much more for getting rid of ALL parole and probation, house arrests, electronic monitoring, etc... These diminish the seriousness of the crime to the victims. A 10 year sentence should be ten years; 3,650 days. I know it's more expensive but if you were to put some real teeth into the sentencing, you would have less crime overall in my view.

However, apply the system equally throughout; from random stops to arrests, to warrant sweeps to investigating, to jury selection, to jury instructions, to sentencing. Why this is so hard to do is a mystery.

We already have more people in jail than any other country. We can't get rid of alternative sentencing.

Sure we could. We just don't have the political will to do so. Spending money to house prisoners is a basic tenant of society.

One would think a republican could see the jobs it would create.

Now, violent crimes, that's another matter altogether, but you are honestly not very smart if you can't understand why a DA might plea bargain a rich guy out for a hefty fine whereas a poor guy got a jail sentence for the same crime.

If the case is sound...it shouldn't be plea bargained; Its' not fair to the victim. Or do we not care about that any more?

"Fair to the victim"? No, that's never been a goal or concern of the legal system. Punishing the guilty, protecting society, deterring criminal behavior, and - where appropriate - bringing lawbreakers peacefully back into lawful society are what the legal system is about.

correct. The legal system is about getting justice for society , not for the individual victims.

Talk about drivel...

Much like saying the goal of an ER is to save the lives of humans not a given human.
Treating the rich differently (and better) is basically the GOP cure for everything....how sad

What a stupid analogy.

 

[candycorn]

Zero.

I have a Masters degree in Criminal Justice and retired as LTC in the Army, Military Police my entire career. I've went to some of the best training in the world on the subject, and I'm here to tell you like it or not, profiling is good police work.

Now , understand that there is MUCH more to profiling than "hey he's black get him" , that's racism and entirely inappropriate to good police work. That being said, being black CAN be part of a solid profile.

Master's degree? Yeah okay...

yes it does prove something.

It proves that in 100 years only six blacks were worth electing

you want to go again?

I encourage blacks to have interracial children. Having some white blood in them will make them more likely to be successful in life than if they were solid black.

Most blacks in Alabama can't read anyway. So who is going to be persuaded by these signs?

I bet your lone regret was not being able to turn the dogs loose on blacks...eh?

88% of all stop and frisks turned up nothing. Fact
The NYPD stopped 6 blacks for every 1 white. Fact

Seems like if they would have stopped more non-blacks, they would have a better batting average than 12%

But don't let facts stand in your way.

So let me see if I have this straight. I post a factual post that explains why police profile and you respond with drivel?

I don't respond to children candy, if you would like to continue this discussion, that means being willing to learn something about which you do not know anything about , then stay on point, I mean seriously, you didn't even respond to my actual post at all.

If not, I'll place you on ignore with the other children and move on.



Damn, surely one liberal on here actually wants to discuss

I'd bet you money right now thhttp://When will the dumbass protesters learn Page 10 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum so few whites were stopped and frisked in NYC simply because of WHERE the stop and frisks were employed. Think anyone was stopped and frisked in downtown Manhattan? Black or white? Doubtful

and here let me show you something else.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downlo...planning/2012_year_end_enforcement_report.pdf

whites commuted a whopping 9% of murders in NYC in 2012 Candy

5% of rapes in NYC were committed by whites Candy, FIVE percent

6% of robberies in NYC were by whites

9.5% of felonious assaults, by whites

and right on down the list Candy.

As I said, race is part of a profile of good police work, the fact that it offends you is irrelevant.

Well balls in your court, child or adult?

Of course this is what happens when you only stop blacks and question them (six times as often as whites anyway under stop and frisk).

Pointing out your obvious racism isn't drivel when the subject is the obvious racist slant of our criminal "justice" system.

I have no problem believing that blacks committed every crime you accuse them of. I just think it's odd that when you profile blacks (as you say they do), come up empty 88% of the time (as the stats indicate), and cite stats with any sort of certainty....

Obviously the cops were looking in the wrong spot

Well, you said you were going to point out my "obvious racism" do so please.

Most blacks in Alabama can't read anyway. So who is going to be persuaded by these signs?

I encourage blacks to have interracial children. Having some white blood in them will make them more likely to be successful in life than if they were solid black.

 

[candycorn]

We already have more people in jail than any other country. We can't get rid of alternative sentencing.

Sure we could. We just don't have the political will to do so. Spending money to house prisoners is a basic tenant of society.

One would think a republican could see the jobs it would create.

Now, violent crimes, that's another matter altogether, but you are honestly not very smart if you can't understand why a DA might plea bargain a rich guy out for a hefty fine whereas a poor guy got a jail sentence for the same crime.

If the case is sound...it shouldn't be plea bargained; Its' not fair to the victim. Or do we not care about that any more?

"Fair to the victim"? No, that's never been a goal or concern of the legal system. Punishing the guilty, protecting society, deterring criminal behavior, and - where appropriate - bringing lawbreakers peacefully back into lawful society are what the legal system is about.

correct. The legal system is about getting justice for society , not for the individual victims.

Talk about drivel...

Much like saying the goal of an ER is to save the lives of humans not a given human.
Treating the rich differently (and better) is basically the GOP cure for everything....how sad

What a stupid analogy.

No more idiotic than you saying that rendering justice for society was the goal and not necessarily those members of society who had a crime committed against them.

I expected more from someone with a supposed masters degree.

Sure it wasn't a "Grand Master" degree?

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Sure we could. We just don't have the political will to do so. Spending money to house prisoners is a basic tenant of society.

One would think a republican could see the jobs it would create.

If the case is sound...it shouldn't be plea bargained; Its' not fair to the victim. Or do we not care about that any more?

"Fair to the victim"? No, that's never been a goal or concern of the legal system. Punishing the guilty, protecting society, deterring criminal behavior, and - where appropriate - bringing lawbreakers peacefully back into lawful society are what the legal system is about.

correct. The legal system is about getting justice for society , not for the individual victims.

Talk about drivel...

Much like saying the goal of an ER is to save the lives of humans not a given human.
Treating the rich differently (and better) is basically the GOP cure for everything....how sad

What a stupid analogy.

No more idiotic than you saying that rendering justice for society was the goal and not necessarily those members of society who had a crime committed against them.

I expected more from someone with a supposed masters degree.

Sure it wasn't a "Grand Master" degree?

Candy , you are dumb.

The police and DA's office work for the STATE,not the victims. They get justice for society, not for the individual victim.

If they focused solely on justice for victims, why plea bargains would never happen. I mean how does Victim A get any justice if a victim gets immunity for testifying against someone else, for example?

Candy, once a fucking gain you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[candycorn]

"Fair to the victim"? No, that's never been a goal or concern of the legal system. Punishing the guilty, protecting society, deterring criminal behavior, and - where appropriate - bringing lawbreakers peacefully back into lawful society are what the legal system is about.

correct. The legal system is about getting justice for society , not for the individual victims.

Talk about drivel...

Much like saying the goal of an ER is to save the lives of humans not a given human.
Treating the rich differently (and better) is basically the GOP cure for everything....how sad

What a stupid analogy.

No more idiotic than you saying that rendering justice for society was the goal and not necessarily those members of society who had a crime committed against them.

I expected more from someone with a supposed masters degree.

Sure it wasn't a "Grand Master" degree?

Candy , you are dumb.
The police and DA's office work for the STATE,not the victims. They get justice for society, not for the individual victim.
If they focused solely on justice for victims, why plea bargains would never happen. I mean how does Victim A get any justice if a victim gets immunity for testifying against someone else, for example?
Candy, once a fucking gain you don't know what you're talking about.

And one wonders why victim's families are often critical of the police and the DA. According to you neither body gives a damn about justice for the families.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

correct. The legal system is about getting justice for society , not for the individual victims.

Talk about drivel...

Much like saying the goal of an ER is to save the lives of humans not a given human.
Treating the rich differently (and better) is basically the GOP cure for everything....how sad

What a stupid analogy.

No more idiotic than you saying that rendering justice for society was the goal and not necessarily those members of society who had a crime committed against them.

I expected more from someone with a supposed masters degree.

Sure it wasn't a "Grand Master" degree?

Candy , you are dumb.
The police and DA's office work for the STATE,not the victims. They get justice for society, not for the individual victim.
If they focused solely on justice for victims, why plea bargains would never happen. I mean how does Victim A get any justice if a victim gets immunity for testifying against someone else, for example?
Candy, once a fucking gain you don't know what you're talking about.

And one wonders why victim's families are often critical of the police and the DA. According to you neither body gives a damn about justice for the families.

I didn't say it was fair Candy, I said it's the way it is.

 

[candycorn]

Talk about drivel...

Much like saying the goal of an ER is to save the lives of humans not a given human.
Treating the rich differently (and better) is basically the GOP cure for everything....how sad

What a stupid analogy.

No more idiotic than you saying that rendering justice for society was the goal and not necessarily those members of society who had a crime committed against them.

I expected more from someone with a supposed masters degree.

Sure it wasn't a "Grand Master" degree?

Candy , you are dumb.
The police and DA's office work for the STATE,not the victims. They get justice for society, not for the individual victim.
If they focused solely on justice for victims, why plea bargains would never happen. I mean how does Victim A get any justice if a victim gets immunity for testifying against someone else, for example?
Candy, once a fucking gain you don't know what you're talking about.

And one wonders why victim's families are often critical of the police and the DA. According to you neither body gives a damn about justice for the families.

I didn't say it was fair Candy, I said it's the way it is.

But by all means, lets continue to blame the victim's families (many of whom are black) when they don't trust the DA or the police...right?

Even you admit that justice for these families is a collateral concern to expediency and getting anyone who looks like they don't fit the profile of a criminal out of the system as soon as possible.

Thanks for at least admitting that blacks shouldn't expect justice or fair treatment.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

What a stupid analogy.

No more idiotic than you saying that rendering justice for society was the goal and not necessarily those members of society who had a crime committed against them.

I expected more from someone with a supposed masters degree.

Sure it wasn't a "Grand Master" degree?

Candy , you are dumb.
The police and DA's office work for the STATE,not the victims. They get justice for society, not for the individual victim.
If they focused solely on justice for victims, why plea bargains would never happen. I mean how does Victim A get any justice if a victim gets immunity for testifying against someone else, for example?
Candy, once a fucking gain you don't know what you're talking about.

And one wonders why victim's families are often critical of the police and the DA. According to you neither body gives a damn about justice for the families.

I didn't say it was fair Candy, I said it's the way it is.

But by all means, lets continue to blame the victim's families (many of whom are black) when they don't trust the DA or the police...right?

Even you admit that justice for these families is a collateral concern to expediency and getting anyone who looks like they don't fit the profile of a criminal out of the system as soon as possible.

Thanks for at least admitting that blacks shouldn't expect justice or fair treatment.

Please quote where I said any such things about black people dishonest one

 

[candycorn]

No more idiotic than you saying that rendering justice for society was the goal and not necessarily those members of society who had a crime committed against them.

I expected more from someone with a supposed masters degree.

Sure it wasn't a "Grand Master" degree?

Candy , you are dumb.
The police and DA's office work for the STATE,not the victims. They get justice for society, not for the individual victim.
If they focused solely on justice for victims, why plea bargains would never happen. I mean how does Victim A get any justice if a victim gets immunity for testifying against someone else, for example?
Candy, once a fucking gain you don't know what you're talking about.

And one wonders why victim's families are often critical of the police and the DA. According to you neither body gives a damn about justice for the families.

I didn't say it was fair Candy, I said it's the way it is.

But by all means, lets continue to blame the victim's families (many of whom are black) when they don't trust the DA or the police...right?

Even you admit that justice for these families is a collateral concern to expediency and getting anyone who looks like they don't fit the profile of a criminal out of the system as soon as possible.

Thanks for at least admitting that blacks shouldn't expect justice or fair treatment.

Please quote where I said any such things about black people dishonest one

You said it wasn't fair to victim's families. Many victim's families are black, are they not. You have gone out of your way to stress that blacks are criminals (imagine my shock) and a lot of their crimes are black on black...are they not?

Then you turn around and praise the need to plea bargain for the reason of expediency I guess. Personally, given your hatred of blacks, I think you probably take it personally when a white person is bothered with being arrested for a crime.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Candy , you are dumb.
The police and DA's office work for the STATE,not the victims. They get justice for society, not for the individual victim.
If they focused solely on justice for victims, why plea bargains would never happen. I mean how does Victim A get any justice if a victim gets immunity for testifying against someone else, for example?
Candy, once a fucking gain you don't know what you're talking about.

And one wonders why victim's families are often critical of the police and the DA. According to you neither body gives a damn about justice for the families.

I didn't say it was fair Candy, I said it's the way it is.

But by all means, lets continue to blame the victim's families (many of whom are black) when they don't trust the DA or the police...right?

Even you admit that justice for these families is a collateral concern to expediency and getting anyone who looks like they don't fit the profile of a criminal out of the system as soon as possible.

Thanks for at least admitting that blacks shouldn't expect justice or fair treatment.

Please quote where I said any such things about black people dishonest one

You said it wasn't fair to victim's families. Many victim's families are black, are they not. You have gone out of your way to stress that blacks are criminals (imagine my shock) and a lot of their crimes are black on black...are they not?

Then you turn around and praise the need to plea bargain for the reason of expediency I guess. Personally, given your hatred of blacks, I think you probably take it personally when a white person is bothered with being arrested for a crime.

Candy,here is how stupid you are.

Most crime is race/race.Meaning that blacks commit crimes against blacks, whites against whites etc etc.

You have been on here whining about blacks being sentenced to longer sentences than whites. Therefor logically if we say that longer sentences means more justice black victims are generally getting more justice than white victims ; yet here you are whining about black victims being the ones who aren't getting justice.

You're an idiot Candy

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

You pull four cases and act as if that is some sort of barometer? Please tell me you aren't that stupid.

There are 2M black males in prison in this country TODAY. That's living , verifiable proof that there is no concerted racism by the police force that says "kill da niggahs"

Blacks are 18% of the population outside of prison and 50+ % inside of prison and that proves no concerted racism?

Conservative logic.

It doesn't have to be one or the other. Blacks can commit disproportionate amounts of crime and still get sentences that are harsher and less just.

Generally speaking, people commit crimes within their racial group. And black men are 6 times more likely to die of violent crime than their white counter parts. With almost all of those committing violent crimes against blacks...being black. And by 'almost all', I mean 80 to 90%. That's a powerful indication that blacks commit disproportionate amounts of violent crime.

And.....they get longer sentences for the same offenses. They are less likely to get probation. They are less likely to get favorable plea deals. They are more likely to be convicted. And more likely to be sentenced to death.

So the answer to both the question of racism and the question of blacks committing disproportionately more crime is a resounding 'yes' on both counts.

I agree.

You do a crime, you should pay the consequences. Personally, I'm much more for getting rid of ALL parole and probation, house arrests, electronic monitoring, etc... These diminish the seriousness of the crime to the victims. A 10 year sentence should be ten years; 3,650 days. I know it's more expensive but if you were to put some real teeth into the sentencing, you would have less crime overall in my view.

However, apply the system equally throughout; from random stops to arrests, to warrant sweeps to investigating, to jury selection, to jury instructions, to sentencing. Why this is so hard to do is a mystery.

We already have more people in jail than any other country. We can't get rid of alternative sentencing.

Sure we could. We just don't have the political will to do so. Spending money to house prisoners is a basic tenant of society.

One would think a republican could see the jobs it would create.

Now, violent crimes, that's another matter altogether, but you are honestly not very smart if you can't understand why a DA might plea bargain a rich guy out for a hefty fine whereas a poor guy got a jail sentence for the same crime.

If the case is sound...it shouldn't be plea bargained; Its' not fair to the victim. Or do we not care about that any more?

It's actually Leftists that celebrate bigger government and more people working for it. I don't know how you attribute that to Republicans.

 

[Politico]

That change begins at the ballot box and not in a shopping mall or on the streets of our major cities?

All children think they get what they want by stomping their feet and screaming and being unpleasant.

That was the basis behind the whole Generation Whine Occupy movement.

 

[frigidweirdo]

That change begins at the ballot box and not in a shopping mall or on the streets of our major cities?

When will they tell the founding fathers this huh?

 

[frigidweirdo]

It's actually Leftists that celebrate bigger government and more people working for it. I don't know how you attribute that to Republicans.

Yeah, because Bush W. didn't increase the Federal budget by more than double, neither did Reagan and Bush snr, neither did Nixon and Ford. Wait, yes they did.

Oh, and Republicans love stopping people drinking, smoking crossing the road, marrying, and all those such things.

Small govt my arse.

 

[politicsneversleep.com]

That change begins at the ballot box and not in a shopping mall or on the streets of our major cities?

So that first amendment thing doesn't really mean anything to you? People can choose how they want to voice their opinions through 5 options.

www.politicsneversleep.com

 

[Mac1958]

That change begins at the ballot box and not in a shopping mall or on the streets of our major cities?

So that first amendment thing doesn't really mean anything to you? People can choose how they want to voice their opinions through 5 options.

www.politicsneversleep.com

As we have pointed out multiple times on this thread, Gramps is not launching an assault on the 1st Amendment.

He wasn't trying to intimidate or punish the protestors, which is a standard tactic of the PC Police whenever someone says something they can claim "offended" them.

Wanna try again?

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