When the Boss Says, 'Don't Tell Your Coworkers How Much You Get Paid'

[thereisnospoon]

What does it matter what I produce? I produce work that yields goods and services that are needed by the public, in a cost effective manner. I am very good at my job. I am better than most. I accomplish more than most.

So please, answer my question. "Should" I produce more than others, without regard to what I am compensated?

It does matter, if you produce food, you're amount of production is obviously important. I don't know, that's why the core idea of anarchism/communism is to pay laborers based on what they produce/the labor they give, or help them when they can't work. I'm sure you're better then most, (Yeah, ok) let's assume billions, as you use "most"

You're wrong, it does not matter what I produce. But for argument's sake, let's go with food. Let's say I produce food, and I happen to be very good a producing food. "Should" I produce more food than most, regardless of what my compensation will be, so that it can be spread amongst other people who need it?

It does matter, in my view, sorry. If it comes to a point where the workers finally seize production, and their is a factory producing completely useless luxuries, it will more then likely be taken to produce something useful. How are you judging if you're good anyways? You'll be compensated based on your labor and productivity, and anyways, the production would be collectively owned, so your argument doesn't have relevance to socialism.

"Seize"? With what? Go ahead. State it......You want to..
Look, the more you bitch, the less power you have.

Strong worker organization, look into anarchist syndicalism. Yeah, refer to the point on feudalism in my signature, that's all I say to your shit.

Dream on.....France calls you....Expect to be on strike for half the year. Which should suit you just fine. Being paid for doing nothing except be a big pain in the ass.
You don't deserve a job. You are a cancer.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Starting? I'm tired of listening to you kids who for whatever reason, can't figure out how to succeed, so your answer is to tear down those who have. It's highly annoying.

Oh boy... I'm not a kid, first of all, so get that out of your head, second of all, I'm working and Attending college, and I love how the capitalist defines success, is the Walton family successful? Pig.

Well, you sure sound like a child.... .

Lazy piece of filth.

You're the one who started throwing out childish responses, I simply returned the favor. Keep calling billions "lazy" by your own horrible standards, go fuck your self and quit assuming I don't work.

Sorry, been lollygagging around long enough... time to head to the office. I'm sure you're not a bad person, but whatever this nonsense is you've subscribed to, you need to lose it... it won't serve you well. Not at all well... you'll just end up old and bitter.

Not nonsense, the capitalists continue to believe In a system almost as laughably bad as feudalism.

Opinion.....A losing one.

 

[Wyatt earp]

You know soggy I am happy making with my skills 75 grand a year and I am not jealous of you making a million a year or what ever, I just never under stand why liberals are so jealous? You have your bills I have mine.

It's about quality not quantity, it's about love, money can't buy a mate it's artificial

Sometimes simple is better

 

[thereisnospoon]

No more than anything else that works.

If you're trying to say socialism/anarchism/etc doesn't work, please, refer to my signature, and consider the paris commune, the Ukrainian free territories, the anarchist movements in spain..

I use what works, all of it, and I block sigs.

Well, people fail to realize socialism/anarchism has actually worked, just saying.

Worked? Don't use big words you don't understand.

The paris commune, the free Ukrainian states, Revolutionary Catalonia...

Newsflash...Nobody gives a shit about that dopey crap

 

[thereisnospoon]

What does it matter what I produce? I produce work that yields goods and services that are needed by the public, in a cost effective manner. I am very good at my job. I am better than most. I accomplish more than most.

So please, answer my question. "Should" I produce more than others, without regard to what I am compensated?

It does matter, if you produce food, you're amount of production is obviously important. I don't know, that's why the core idea of anarchism/communism is to pay laborers based on what they produce/the labor they give, or help them when they can't work. I'm sure you're better then most, (Yeah, ok) let's assume billions, as you use "most"

You're wrong, it does not matter what I produce. But for argument's sake, let's go with food. Let's say I produce food, and I happen to be very good a producing food. "Should" I produce more food than most, regardless of what my compensation will be, so that it can be spread amongst other people who need it?

It does matter, in my view, sorry. If it comes to a point where the workers finally seize production, and their is a factory producing completely useless luxuries, it will more then likely be taken to produce something useful. How are you judging if you're good anyways? You'll be compensated based on your labor and productivity, and anyways, the production would be collectively owned, so your argument doesn't have relevance to socialism.

You're still not answering. I told you, I produce food. "Should" I produce more food than most other people in my profession, regardless of what I am compensated, and have my crops passed out to people based on their need?

In my mind, if you have the means to, sure, why not, it's a decent and good thing to do.

Oh? And who pays? Please. This line of discussion is stupid.

 

[thereisnospoon]

It's like a gang bang, and I'm receiving.

It's because you came here with that name and agenda like some kind of masochist. It's like wearing a meat suit to feed the bears.

It's fun, I'm sure you haven't heard about the free Ukraine territories before I told you.

Nobody cares

 

[thereisnospoon]

In my mind, if you have the means to, sure, why not, it's a decent and good thing to do.

Okay.







No.







I'm retiring. I'm not going to produce anymore food.

Oh look, I don't have any food now. I'm hungry. I have a need. My need is great.

What now? Are you going to give to me, according to my need?

Of course not....In marxist's world, "other" people do that.
Marxist and those like him would make great efforts to keep themselves down. And why is this? Because higher status would mean they have nothing to complain about.
Marxist actually believes there is nobility in poverty.

 

[thereisnospoon]

In my mind, if you have the means to, sure, why not, it's a decent and good thing to do.

Okay.







No.







I'm retiring. I'm not going to produce anymore food.

Oh look, I don't have any food now. I'm hungry. I have a need. My need is great.

What now? Are you going to give to me, according to my need?

Absolutely! That's one of the main ideas of communism. You'll receive food.

Communism? FAIL......Every time.
Oh....Now hear this....I owe you not a fucking thing.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Sounds like socialism
Tell me friend, are you a socialist?

Collective bargaining is not socialism.

Sure it is....Collective.....Get it?
BTW, the more accurate term is collective coercion.

Keep spewing bullshit. Collective bargaining is coercion? What a fucking idiot.

Yes it is.....When unions were in their hey day, not only did the collectives have numbers, they also had....now pay close attention....The support of the community at large. Union labor at its peak claimed roughly 35% of Americans
The union bosses spoiled that. They wrecked themselves by demanding too much. Unions got greedy. And with the advent of international competition, unions failed to adjust. Unions exploited their members to make a point. So many businesses had to close their doors. Did it affect the supply of those goods and services? No. Once union bosses began costing jobs, they lost the support of the community. That was the beginning of the steady decline of organized labor.
Unions have become so unpopular that it is nearly impossible for unions to even get a meeting with an employer or the employees. No one want to deal with them.
Anarchists? What do they do...Go to the G * and G 20 Summits, turn over and set afire a few cars, throw flaming bags of dog shit around the streets? And have accomplished what?
I can tell you one goal. Anarchists succeeded in letting the rest of know they they are a bunch of lazy unkempt non working scum buckets that would live in their own piss and shit just to prove their are outside of the "establishment"...
Ya wanna know why the largest and most recent anarchist movement failed so miserably? Humor. We laughed at those idiot OWS jagoffs.

What did I just read? Anarchists have succeeded in the past. Labor unions? Oh boy, here we go.

Succeeded at WHAT?

 

[thereisnospoon]

No more than anything else that works.

If you're trying to say socialism/anarchism/etc doesn't work, please, refer to my signature, and consider the paris commune, the Ukrainian free territories, the anarchist movements in spain..

That's like saying that the Amish can work in Syria just as they can in the US. No socialist/communist/anarchist movement in the world works unless surrounded by a healthy amount of capitalists willing to spend money on them and buy their goods. Take away capitalism and they will collapse just like any other fringe group.

Hilarious, tell me, what was the free Ukraine territory surrounded by? Not like it was the bolsheviks or anything..

Funny, you dropped the other two? But what are they surrounded by? LOL, Russians.

Not capitalists, and the paris commune, the other ones in my signature.. How are they receiving capitalist help? Tell me how, and when.

Without loan guarantees and aid from financially stable nations the economies of these countries would collapse.

 

[thereisnospoon]

If you're trying to say socialism/anarchism/etc doesn't work, please, refer to my signature, and consider the paris commune, the Ukrainian free territories, the anarchist movements in spain..

That's like saying that the Amish can work in Syria just as they can in the US. No socialist/communist/anarchist movement in the world works unless surrounded by a healthy amount of capitalists willing to spend money on them and buy their goods. Take away capitalism and they will collapse just like any other fringe group.

Hilarious, tell me, what was the free Ukraine territory surrounded by? Not like it was the bolsheviks or anything..

Funny, you dropped the other two? But what are they surrounded by? LOL, Russians.

Not capitalists, and the paris commune, the other ones in my signature.. How are they receiving capitalist help? Tell me how, and when.

The Paris Commune still exists?

I guess. It occupies an apartment somewhere. Nobody knows though. Nor does anyone care.

 

[thereisnospoon]

That's like saying that the Amish can work in Syria just as they can in the US. No socialist/communist/anarchist movement in the world works unless surrounded by a healthy amount of capitalists willing to spend money on them and buy their goods. Take away capitalism and they will collapse just like any other fringe group.

Hilarious, tell me, what was the free Ukraine territory surrounded by? Not like it was the bolsheviks or anything..

Funny, you dropped the other two? But what are they surrounded by? LOL, Russians.

Not capitalists, and the paris commune, the other ones in my signature.. How are they receiving capitalist help? Tell me how, and when.

The Paris Commune still exists?

No, they were violently and hanged.

For being criminals....Oh well.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Pretty much, you do not have to educate me on the subject. I told you I was once just like you but grew disenchanted with the whole thing because people are basically stupid and there is no way to make them wise up. These days I am a pragmatist with little patience for political dogma of any kind and one day you too will give up the deeply disappointing activity of expecting too much wisdom from the masses.

It worked in the past, I'm sorry if that upsets you, but other countries are realizing how fucked up the world is.

If it didn't last that long it cannot be said to have worked, between infighting and external pressures all the social experiments in socialism broke down because people do not naturally live that way. The experiments only worked all because they appealed to the tribal nature of mankind rather than any kind of wise consensus on the part of the people.

Do you realize why they failed? VIOLENCE AGAINST THEM. The paris commune? Mass violence. Ukraine Free areas? Bolsheviks. The spain anarchists? More bloodshed. Jesus, are you an idiot?

It's true that no group attempting socialism has ever been allowed to exist in peace but this too is a hard fact of life on Earth you must accept. Socialism will never be allowed to flourish as long as there are still plutocrats and warhawks in the world. The power elite are like the Hydra, you cannot cut off enough heads to kill the beast of authoritarian rule.

We need international revolution and adequate protection for anarchist/socialist groups that form.

Who is "we"?

 

[Marxist]

Not even going to bother responding to any of your points when my signature is waiting for you.