When liberals face reality

[saveliberty]

University of California students protest 32 percent tuition increase - CNN.com

"Los Angeles, California (CNN) -- Angry students at the Davis, California, branch of the University of California refused to vacate the school's administration building Thursday evening in a show of defiance and protest over a 32-percent undergraduate tuition hike instituted by the California Board of Regents earlier in the day."

The discussion probably went something like this. Everyone in California deserves a quality education and an affordable price. This program is deficit neutral. We'll just tax the rich. Skip to present day...

"About 100 University of California police officers tried to keep student protests under control on the UCLA campus today. Officers wore riot gear and used barricades and pepper ball rifles during demonstrations against the student fee increases the UC Regents approved."

Cops in riot gear keep an eye on protesters at UCLA | 89.3 KPCC

Has EVERYONE learned anything?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So maybe allowing half of Mexico in for free was not such a great fucking idea afterall?

How's that cheap lettuce working out for us?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

------Libruls------

------Reality-------

Parallel tracks that never meet

 

[rightwinger]

Affordable education is the next hurdle we need to attack Outside of helathcare, nothing has gone up in cost as much as a college education. While healthcare can point to expensive new medical procedures, there is nothing radically different in our education system to justify the outlandish costs.

Why does a single class cost $3000 ?

 

[California Girl]

Affordable education is the next hurdle we need to attack Outside of helathcare, nothing has gone up in cost as much as a college education. While healthcare can point to expensive new medical procedures, there is nothing radically different in our education system to justify the outlandish costs.

Why does a single class cost $3000 ?

Who's gonna pay for it? Your children? Your children's children? Your children's children's children?

Do you have any concept of the following words:

Debt
Bankrupt

Any grasp of the concept that this 'healthcare' bill is actually bullshit? It won't achieve what Obama set out to achieve with it. Do you understand that?

Seriously, I can understand why you want what you want but.... This is not going to achieve it and in 10 years time you will deny that you ever supported it.

 

[Polk]

You three do realize California is bankrupt because of those great ballot measures like Prop 13, that Raygun Ronnie pimped, right?

 

[saveliberty]

You three do realize California is bankrupt because of those great ballot measures like Prop 13, that Raygun Ronnie pimped, right?

Oh, of course, the budgets and spending habits of California's government in the last TWENTY FIVE plus years have NOTHING to do with it. Then there is UCLA itself. They had no say in how they used the money sent to them year after year.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Fucking retards STILL Don't realize that you can't have 15 million Illegal Aliens running around here without it costing us big time.

It's like have 3 additional states!

 

[Polk]

You three do realize California is bankrupt because of those great ballot measures like Prop 13, that Raygun Ronnie pimped, right?

Oh, of course, the budgets and spending habits of California's government in the last TWENTY FIVE plus years have NOTHING to do with it. Then there is UCLA itself. They had no say in how they used the money sent to them year after year.

California's government, by and large, doesn't get a say it how the money is spend. Most of the budget is allocated to specific purposes by ballot measures, and they can't increase revenue because they're not allowed to tax property at actual value.

 

[saveliberty]

You three do realize California is bankrupt because of those great ballot measures like Prop 13, that Raygun Ronnie pimped, right?

Oh, of course, the budgets and spending habits of California's government in the last TWENTY FIVE plus years have NOTHING to do with it. Then there is UCLA itself. They had no say in how they used the money sent to them year after year.

California's government, by and large, doesn't get a say it how the money is spend. Most of the budget is allocated to specific purposes by ballot measures, and they can't increase revenue because they're not allowed to tax property at actual value.

Specific purposes, like college education? This is classic liberal denial. Stop one minute and think about a 32% increase. That reeks of a long standing funding issue. Sure income taxes and sales tax have taken a big hit in the last year, but do you wait until you need a 32% increase in tuition? Where are the cost cutting measures from the university's side twelve months ago? They just thought the economy was going to better really fast with Obama and the stimulus money would flow like water into their coffers.

 

[rightwinger]

Affordable education is the next hurdle we need to attack Outside of helathcare, nothing has gone up in cost as much as a college education. While healthcare can point to expensive new medical procedures, there is nothing radically different in our education system to justify the outlandish costs.

Why does a single class cost $3000 ?

Who's gonna pay for it? Your children? Your children's children? Your children's children's children?

Do you have any concept of the following words:

Debt
Bankrupt

Any grasp of the concept that this 'healthcare' bill is actually bullshit? It won't achieve what Obama set out to achieve with it. Do you understand that?

Seriously, I can understand why you want what you want but.... This is not going to achieve it and in 10 years time you will deny that you ever supported it.

Go back to your Glory Hole you bitch!

Where did I say anything about free education? I was addressing the escallating costs of education. Given that only liberals actually get educations, I know this doesn't concern republicans. But the costs have risen without any improvement in the product

 

[Polk]

Oh, of course, the budgets and spending habits of California's government in the last TWENTY FIVE plus years have NOTHING to do with it. Then there is UCLA itself. They had no say in how they used the money sent to them year after year.

California's government, by and large, doesn't get a say it how the money is spend. Most of the budget is allocated to specific purposes by ballot measures, and they can't increase revenue because they're not allowed to tax property at actual value.

Specific purposes, like college education? This is classic liberal denial. Stop one minute and think about a 32% increase. That reeks of a long standing funding issue. Sure income taxes and sales tax have taken a big hit in the last year, but do you wait until you need a 32% increase in tuition? Where are the cost cutting measures from the university's side twelve months ago? They just thought the economy was going to better really fast with Obama and the stimulus money would flow like water into their coffers.

From what I've seen, the state has pulled most of it's funding for the university system. Are you saying the university should have known years ago that the state would gut their funding?

 

[Luissa]

don't feel bad for California, their tuition will now be up to what it is here. Do I think they did to reform the state college system? yes

 

[California Girl]

Affordable education is the next hurdle we need to attack Outside of helathcare, nothing has gone up in cost as much as a college education. While healthcare can point to expensive new medical procedures, there is nothing radically different in our education system to justify the outlandish costs.

Why does a single class cost $3000 ?

Who's gonna pay for it? Your children? Your children's children? Your children's children's children?

Do you have any concept of the following words:

Debt
Bankrupt

Any grasp of the concept that this 'healthcare' bill is actually bullshit? It won't achieve what Obama set out to achieve with it. Do you understand that?

Seriously, I can understand why you want what you want but.... This is not going to achieve it and in 10 years time you will deny that you ever supported it.

Go back to your Glory Hole you bitch!

Where did I say anything about free education? I was addressing the escallating costs of education. Given that only liberals actually get educations, I know this doesn't concern republicans. But the costs have risen without any improvement in the product

Holy Shit! That makes me seriously liberal!!!

And..... it makes you a stupid fucking idiot.....

We each have our cross to bear - mine is my education, yours is your lack of it.

 

[Lost Soul]

Affordable education is the next hurdle we need to attack Outside of helathcare, nothing has gone up in cost as much as a college education. While healthcare can point to expensive new medical procedures, there is nothing radically different in our education system to justify the outlandish costs.

Why does a single class cost $3000 ?

Because dumb fucks like you will pay it.

Or it could be because all those poor kids you liberals whine about helping so much are getting free educations while you are picking up the tab while whining about it.

Liberals are quick to ask someone else to pay for something but when its their dime, they cry, whine and protest.

 

[William Joyce]

Where are the Kent State sharpshooters when you need 'em?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Affordable education is the next hurdle we need to attack Outside of helathcare, nothing has gone up in cost as much as a college education. While healthcare can point to expensive new medical procedures, there is nothing radically different in our education system to justify the outlandish costs.

Why does a single class cost $3000 ?

Increases in healthcare expenditures:
2003 8.6%
2004 6.9%
2005 6.5%
2006 6.7%
2007 6.1%
Compare to 10.5% in 1970 and 13% in 1980

For purposes of comparison, education:
Tuition at private colleges and universities has increased anywhere from 5% to 13% every year since 1980. "
The Cost of a College Education

And for primary and secondary school:
"Based on statistics from the US Department of Education, the average cost of educating a student in elementary and secondary schools has risen from $6,200 in 1991 to $11,000 in 2005 an increase of 85%. "
US Education Market | Entourage Systems Inc.

 

[uscitizen]

Darned socialist school system.
Everyone should have the individual freedom to pay for their own education.

We need to abolish the public school system.

 

[saveliberty]

The state has no say, the state has no say. Gee the Governator seemed to be able to slash and burn pretty well. The point is, when you live in an entitlement state bad things happen when the tax base shrinks. It is a failed system because liberals over estimated their ability to pay. The same will be true of a public health coverage option.

 

[rightwinger]

Affordable education is the next hurdle we need to attack Outside of helathcare, nothing has gone up in cost as much as a college education. While healthcare can point to expensive new medical procedures, there is nothing radically different in our education system to justify the outlandish costs.

Why does a single class cost $3000 ?

Because dumb fucks like you will pay it.

Or it could be because all those poor kids you liberals whine about helping so much are getting free educations while you are picking up the tab while whining about it.

Liberals are quick to ask someone else to pay for something but when its their dime, they cry, whine and protest.

What planet do you live on where everyone gets a free education? Typical fuck-you response from conservatives>

Fact is, todays kids and their "free educations" end up graduating with $60,000 in debt. Fine way to start your life