When it comes to African-Americans and police bias, both sides are to blame

Discussion in 'Race Relations/Racism' started by Billy000, Aug 30, 2018.

  1. Billy000
    Offline

    Billy000 Democratic Socialist

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2011
    Messages:
    16,364
    Thanks Received:
    1,805
    Trophy Points:
    290
    Location:
    Colorado
    Ratings:
    +9,434
    I’m going to do my best and not have this post moved to the badlands.

    Black people - more than any race in America - are more prone to committing crime. Why this is important, but I don’t want to go too deep into the subject besides saying it is because they are discriminated against which creates more poverty for their population AND because many African Americans as a subculture are violent, disruptive people...kind of naturally. I don’t of course want to generalize black people as being all the same. There are a lot of great black people I’ve met over the years as well as there being great, black public figures we all know. It’s just that I can’t help but think the left is in denial to an extent about black people as well as they are toward Muslims. Black people need to take more responsibility for their role in society. Part of the problem is repulsive gangster rap that many black people are raised on. That’s worth noting.

    On the flip side, police who may be bored on patrol will target black people because they can assume the black person has done something illegal or has a warrant. The problem is that they target law abiding black people as well who understandably feel as though the police are racist. It’s completely unfair and it make the race debate more complicated.

    My overall point is that both sides need to take responsibility for their actions. It also makes me speculate on the chicken or the egg argument.
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  2. IM2
    Offline

    IM2 Gold Member

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2015
    Messages:
    17,122
    Thanks Received:
    1,715
    Trophy Points:
    290
    Ratings:
    +11,144
    Your overall is that you have never read the FBI Annual UCR and your OP is simply your racism expressing itself in typed form.
     
  3. Billy000
    Offline

    Billy000 Democratic Socialist

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2011
    Messages:
    16,364
    Thanks Received:
    1,805
    Trophy Points:
    290
    Location:
    Colorado
    Ratings:
    +9,434
    Why would reading that dramatically change my world view? I’m willing to read it, but I don’t see how it would turn my world upside down.

    And yeah, you’re right I am a little racist. I guess I can’t help it.
     
  4. bear513
    Online

    bear513 Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2012
    Messages:
    42,106
    Thanks Received:
    5,392
    Trophy Points:
    1,830
    Ratings:
    +27,060

    No need to apologise, IM2 is one of the biggest racist here.


    .
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  5. Missourian
    Offline

    Missourian Platinum Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2008
    Messages:
    19,557
    Thanks Received:
    5,873
    Trophy Points:
    350
    Location:
    Missouri
    Ratings:
    +13,520
    "It’s true that around 13 per cent of Americans are black, according to the latest estimates from the US Census Bureau.

    And yes, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, black offenders committed 52 per cent of homicides recorded in the data between 1980 and 2008. Only 45 per cent of the offenders were white."

    FactCheck: do black Americans commit more crime?

    And since males commit the vast majority of murders...we're really taking about 7% of the population commiting 52% of murders in the US.
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  6. ninja007
    Offline

    ninja007 Gold Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2014
    Messages:
    6,104
    Thanks Received:
    929
    Trophy Points:
    255
    Location:
    Living rent free in libs heads
    Ratings:
    +2,677
     
  7. fncceo
    Online

    fncceo Gold Member

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2016
    Messages:
    10,944
    Thanks Received:
    1,620
    Trophy Points:
    290
    Ratings:
    +15,177
    I can't remember the last time I was bored on patrol.

    Even in the worst weather or latest nights there is a never ending supply of idiots to occupy my time.

    There are lots of subtle, and not so subtle, clues that someone may be NQR. None of them are exclusive to race.
     
    • Informative Informative x 2
  8. Natural Citizen
    Offline

    Natural Citizen Gold Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2016
    Messages:
    3,587
    Thanks Received:
    737
    Trophy Points:
    345
    Location:
    Worldwide
    Ratings:
    +2,832
    You're either African or you're American.

    Pick one.
     
  9. Billy000
    Offline

    Billy000 Democratic Socialist

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2011
    Messages:
    16,364
    Thanks Received:
    1,805
    Trophy Points:
    290
    Location:
    Colorado
    Ratings:
    +9,434
    This is anecdotal thus it contributes nothing to the conversation.
     
  10. NewsVine_Mariyam
    Online

    NewsVine_Mariyam VIP Member

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2018
    Messages:
    1,609
    Thanks Received:
    367
    Trophy Points:
    80
    Location:
    The Beautiful Pacific Northwest
    Ratings:
    +1,500
    There is no chicken or egg analogy. In order for you to have arrived at the conclusion that "Black people - more than any race in America - are more prone to committing crime...AND because many African Americans as a subculture are violent, disruptive people...kind of naturally" you would have had to overlook the "natural" violence and lack of any type of moral compass of the white people who captured, enslaved, whipped, raped, lynched and bought & sold other human beings FOR PROFIT. That's a whole lot of crime, committed by white people against black people that they all got a pass on.

    Then once the whites were no longer legally allowed to enslave black people they came up with a scheme that effectively stll kept them in bondage, with any stepping out of line, real or imagined resulting in them being returned back to the physical bondage that they had just escaped but this time as "punishment". When has it never been about punishment?

    There were laws that criminalized specific behaviors when committed by blacks but not when the same behaviors were committed by whites (gee you think that might bump up the crime statistics on the side of blacks?) while serious crimes against blacks such as assaults, rapes, cross burnings, lynchings and murders went uninvestigated let alone prosecuted. Or in the case of the church bombing in Birmingham which killed 4 young girls, it took damn near 40 years to get a conviction. Forty damn years for the death of 4 children.

    No this is not happening from both sides, it's nothing more than the continuation of the state of mind that created slavery and the slave patrols to enforce the law

    Slave patrols called patrollers, patterrollers, pattyrollers or paddy rollers[citation needed], by the slaves, were organized groups of predominantly white men who monitored and enforced discipline upon black slaves in the antebellum U.S. southern states. The slave patrols' function was to police slaves, especially runaways and defiant slaves. They also formed river patrols to prevent escape by boat. Slave patrols were first established in South Carolina in 1704, and the idea spread throughout the colonies.
    Slave patrol - Wikipedia
     

Share This Page