When hurting Obama is more important then jobs

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Bob Lutz, former Chairman of General Motors, discussing the Chevy Volt electric car:




The level of owner satisfaction is extremely high. Quality and reliability is extremely high. But the downside is that the political extreme right has been distorting the facts of the Volt.


The Volt passed the government crash tests with a five-star safety rating, and didn't roll over. But the testing protocol requires that even if the vehicle doesn't roll, it has to go through the rotisserie maneuver, which is five minutes on one side, five minutes on its back, five minutes on the other side, and then back on its wheels again. At some point during the rotisserie, some fluid leaked out, and three weeks later caused a short in the battery and the vehicle caught fire. I mean, how safe it that? Three weeks should give people adequate time to exit the vehicle.


And what did all these right-wing commentators make of that? "Chevy Volts catch fire." All of them were talking about "yeah, they all catch fire. GM's gonna recall 'em. There's just another Obama-inspired program -- a misguided socialist automotive policy. And not only did they spend a lot of your hard-earned tax dollars creating this vehicle, but now they put a $7500 tax credit on it."


Well, there are a couple of things wrong with all those statements. First of all, the Volt was my idea in 2006. We showed the first prototype at the Detroit Auto Show in 2007. Obama wasn't elected until late 2008, so Obama could not be the progenitor of the Chevy Volt. And what they also conveniently forget is that the $7500 tax credit for electric vehicles was enacted under the Bush administration ....


And these people are supposed to be for American jobs? They did such reputational damage to the Volt that the demand dipped to a very low level. So GM did the right thing, which was to idle production for 5 weeks and lay off workers. So here are these right-wing pundits who are always talking about jobs, jobs, jobs. Actually through their irresponsible reporting on the Chevrolet Volt they managed to put American workers out of their jobs for five weeks! It annoys me to no end. ...

As a conservative myself politically, it annoys me no end to see deliberate lying and misinformation coming out where they will trash an outstanding American product and do damage to American employment just to get at Obama. That's just plain unethical.
 
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The Volt got its last favorable crash test rating in June of 2011. By November the Volt started fires had already burned down several homes.

Crash test ratings for the 2013 Volts are not available.

Yeah, it annoys me no end too. If the Volt were a Toyota, the company CEOs would be rotisseried before Congress and called murderers by now.
 
I've honestly never heard anyone blame Obama for the Chevy Volt.
And I KNOW that these things weren't flying off the shelves prior to the fires.
Can't blame a guy though for pushing an overpriced product that the feds are helping to make more affordable to the public.
 
The Volt got its last favorable crash test rating in June of 2011. By November the Volt started fires had already burned down several homes.
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Bullshit.

The fires in Volts were after controlled test crashes, and happened at a rate no higher than standard ICE cars.

Chevrolet Volt fires: Safety probe ends; regulators OK GM's fix - Los Angeles Times

Yeah, sure.

Chevy Volt Again Suspected in House Fire | National Legal and Policy Center
PJ Lifestyle » Investigation Continues in Home Fire That Burned Siemens Charger, Chevy Volt

No Danger that's why there was a senate investigation into the danger.

The white house knew all along that the Volt was dangerous and hid the information because it is more interested in its agenda than anyone killed in a Volt fire.
White House: Yeah, We Knew About Chevy Volt’s Catching On Fire, But Didn’t Try And Hide The News… | Weasel Zippers
 
Fires aren't the reason to dump the Volt though. The real reason is because it will take 28 years to get any benefit from driving it.
 
The Volt got its last favorable crash test rating in June of 2011. By November the Volt started fires had already burned down several homes.
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Bullshit.

The fires in Volts were after controlled test crashes, and happened at a rate no higher than standard ICE cars.

Chevrolet Volt fires: Safety probe ends; regulators OK GM's fix - Los Angeles Times

Yeah, sure.

Chevy Volt Again Suspected in House Fire | National Legal and Policy Center
PJ Lifestyle » Investigation Continues in Home Fire That Burned Siemens Charger, Chevy Volt

No Danger that's why there was a senate investigation into the danger.

The white house knew all along that the Volt was dangerous and hid the information because it is more interested in its agenda than anyone killed in a Volt fire.
White House: Yeah, We Knew About Chevy Volt’s Catching On Fire, But Didn’t Try And Hide The News… | Weasel Zippers

So, you have two "investigations" and no proof that the Chevy Volt played a role?

Oh, and something from a small mammal porn site.

OK then. I'm sure they all know better than the NHSA. Aren't you at least a little embarrassed by your own rebuttal?
 
Fires aren't the reason to dump the Volt though. The real reason is because it will take 28 years to get any benefit from driving it.

I plan to buy one in the next year or so and I assure you I will begin to get benefit immediately. At about $31,000 it's cheaper than the car I'll be trading in.
 
I'm horrified and embarassed about this whole country in electing obama in the first place.

No one blames obama for the Volt. He is blamed and rightly so, for giving billions to this dangerous failure on the sole basis that it advances his political agenda.
 
The Volt got its last favorable crash test rating in June of 2011. By November the Volt started fires had already burned down several homes.
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Bullshit.

The fires in Volts were after controlled test crashes, and happened at a rate no higher than standard ICE cars.

Chevrolet Volt fires: Safety probe ends; regulators OK GM's fix - Los Angeles Times

Yeah, sure.

Chevy Volt Again Suspected in House Fire | National Legal and Policy Center
PJ Lifestyle » Investigation Continues in Home Fire That Burned Siemens Charger, Chevy Volt

No Danger that's why there was a senate investigation into the danger.

The white house knew all along that the Volt was dangerous and hid the information because it is more interested in its agenda than anyone killed in a Volt fire.
White House: Yeah, We Knew About Chevy Volt’s Catching On Fire, But Didn’t Try And Hide The News… | Weasel Zippers

he National Legal and Policy Center (NLPC) is a right-leaning 501(c)(3) non-profit group that monitors and reports on the ethics of public officials, supporters of liberal causes, and labor unions in the United States. Among the NLPC's more high-profile targets have been Reverend Al Sharpton, Reverend Jesse Jackson, U.S. Representative Charles Rangel (D-NY), U.S. Representative John Murtha (D-PA), U.S. Representative Alan Mollohan (D-WV), Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) (while she was First Lady), Senator Ted Stevens (R-AK) and Senator Lisa Murkowski (R-AK). The Center files complaints with government agencies, legally challenges what they view as abuse and corruption, and publishes reports. The NLPC has been praised by right-wing media personalities such as radio broadcaster Rush Limbaugh. The NLPC is described as conservative in nature.[1] The NLPC's current president is Peter Flaherty.
According to the Center's mission statement, it:
promotes a single standard of ethics in public life through research, education and legal action. We do not believe that ethics are advanced through more laws or 'better guidelines,' even as existing ones are ignored. We don't believe the problem is with too few laws, or with too much freedom, but with men and women. We believe the missing ingredients are character, morality and common sense. We recognize that the bigger the government, the more opportunities for corruption; and the more intervention in the economy, the more reason for special interests to seek influence. We believe that the best way to promote ethics is to reduce the size of government.[2]
The NLPC was founded in 1991 "to promote ethics, and to give the Code [of Ethics for Government] the visibility it deserves." It currently operates four projects: the Government Integrity Project, the Legal Services Accountability Project, the Organized Labor Accountability Project, and the Corporate Integrity Project.
NLPC has criticized Wal-Mart for its environmental initiatives.[3]
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Fires aren't the reason to dump the Volt though. The real reason is because it will take 28 years to get any benefit from driving it.

I plan to buy one in the next year or so and I assure you I will begin to get benefit immediately. At about $31,000 it's cheaper than the car I'll be trading in.

True, the government is subsidizing the cost of every Volt over $100,000 worth.
 
I'm horrified and embarassed about this whole country in electing obama in the first place.

No one blames obama for the Volt. He is blamed and rightly so, for giving billions to this dangerous failure on the sole basis that it advances his political agenda.

Why would anyone be "blamed" for the Volt? And what makes it dangerous?
 
Fires aren't the reason to dump the Volt though. The real reason is because it will take 28 years to get any benefit from driving it.

I plan to buy one in the next year or so and I assure you I will begin to get benefit immediately. At about $31,000 it's cheaper than the car I'll be trading in.

True, the government is subsidizing the cost of every Volt over $100,000 worth.

Quit making shit up. I know economics is probably not your strong suit, but prices are based on marginal costs. If they weren't, the first Iphone off the assembly line would have cost millions.
 
The volt was an experiment. For the most part it failed. Buying a Volt does not pay for the car, without a government subsidy and it has a tendency to catch fire. We don't know what the crash tests are because it was not submitted for a 2013 crash test. A few years ago I think it was Honda, came out with an electric vehicle. All of the models were eventually recalled. Of course, Japan didn't subsidize that car.
 
I made a mistake. Each Volt does not cost the taxpayer $100,000. It's actually $250,000.

Chevy Volt Costing Taxpayers Up to $250K Per Vehicle [Michigan Capitol Confidential]

Each Chevy Volt sold thus far may have as much as $250,000 in state and federal dollars in incentives behind it – a total of $3 billion altogether, according to an analysis by James Hohman, assistant director of fiscal policy at the Mackinac Center for Public Policy.

Hohman looked at total state and federal assistance offered for the development and production of the Chevy Volt, General Motors’ plug-in hybrid electric vehicle. His analysis included 18 government deals that included loans, rebates, grants and tax credits. The amount of government assistance does not include the fact that General Motors is currently 26 percent owned by the federal government.
 
The volt was an experiment. For the most part it failed.

How in the world did you reach that conclusion?

Buying a Volt does not pay for the car, without a government subsidy and it has a tendency to catch fire.

It has no "tendency" to catch fire, as the NHSA has pointed out.

When you have to lie to make your point, you might want to reconsider your point.
 
I made a mistake. Each Volt does not cost the taxpayer $100,000. It's actually $250,000.

Chevy Volt Costing Taxpayers Up to $250K Per Vehicle [Michigan Capitol Confidential]

Each Chevy Volt sold thus far may have as much as $250,000 in state and federal dollars in incentives behind it – a total of $3 billion altogether, according to an analysis by James Hohman, assistant director of fiscal policy at the Mackinac Center for Public Policy.

Hohman looked at total state and federal assistance offered for the development and production of the Chevy Volt, General Motors’ plug-in hybrid electric vehicle. His analysis included 18 government deals that included loans, rebates, grants and tax credits. The amount of government assistance does not include the fact that General Motors is currently 26 percent owned by the federal government.

You obviously failed economics.

By this measure, we would have to conclude that the first Iphone cost about 200M dollars, with a 199,999,700 prebate courtesy of Apple.
 
Bottom line GM owes the American Tax Payer millions upon millions of dollars, period. Now as for GM and the people that were stuck with their stock / bonds, and unsecured vendors, they were screwed royal so that the unions could be kept whole. One can only hope GM survives long enough for tax payers to be repaid and those stuck with worthless paper can recover something before it collapses again.
 

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