When hurting Obama is more important then jobs

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    Bob Lutz, former Chairman of General Motors, discussing the Chevy Volt electric car:




    The level of owner satisfaction is extremely high. Quality and reliability is extremely high. But the downside is that the political extreme right has been distorting the facts of the Volt.


    The Volt passed the government crash tests with a five-star safety rating, and didn't roll over. But the testing protocol requires that even if the vehicle doesn't roll, it has to go through the rotisserie maneuver, which is five minutes on one side, five minutes on its back, five minutes on the other side, and then back on its wheels again. At some point during the rotisserie, some fluid leaked out, and three weeks later caused a short in the battery and the vehicle caught fire. I mean, how safe it that? Three weeks should give people adequate time to exit the vehicle.


    And what did all these right-wing commentators make of that? "Chevy Volts catch fire." All of them were talking about "yeah, they all catch fire. GM's gonna recall 'em. There's just another Obama-inspired program -- a misguided socialist automotive policy. And not only did they spend a lot of your hard-earned tax dollars creating this vehicle, but now they put a $7500 tax credit on it."


    Well, there are a couple of things wrong with all those statements. First of all, the Volt was my idea in 2006. We showed the first prototype at the Detroit Auto Show in 2007. Obama wasn't elected until late 2008, so Obama could not be the progenitor of the Chevy Volt. And what they also conveniently forget is that the $7500 tax credit for electric vehicles was enacted under the Bush administration ....


    And these people are supposed to be for American jobs? They did such reputational damage to the Volt that the demand dipped to a very low level. So GM did the right thing, which was to idle production for 5 weeks and lay off workers. So here are these right-wing pundits who are always talking about jobs, jobs, jobs. Actually through their irresponsible reporting on the Chevrolet Volt they managed to put American workers out of their jobs for five weeks! It annoys me to no end. ...

    As a conservative myself politically, it annoys me no end to see deliberate lying and misinformation coming out where they will trash an outstanding American product and do damage to American employment just to get at Obama. That's just plain unethical.
     
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    The Volt is an engineering marvel. Americans should be proud one of our companies could design such a functional and efficient machine.

    But it's good for America, which means it's bad for Republicans.
     
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    The Volt got its last favorable crash test rating in June of 2011. By November the Volt started fires had already burned down several homes.

    Crash test ratings for the 2013 Volts are not available.

    Yeah, it annoys me no end too. If the Volt were a Toyota, the company CEOs would be rotisseried before Congress and called murderers by now.
     
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    I've honestly never heard anyone blame Obama for the Chevy Volt.
    And I KNOW that these things weren't flying off the shelves prior to the fires.
    Can't blame a guy though for pushing an overpriced product that the feds are helping to make more affordable to the public.
     
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    Bullshit.

    The fires in Volts were after controlled test crashes, and happened at a rate no higher than standard ICE cars.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jan/21/business/la-fi-autos-volt-20120121
     
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    Yeah, sure.

    Chevy Volt Again Suspected in House Fire | National Legal and Policy Center
    PJ Lifestyle » Investigation Continues in Home Fire That Burned Siemens Charger, Chevy Volt

    No Danger that's why there was a senate investigation into the danger.

    The white house knew all along that the Volt was dangerous and hid the information because it is more interested in its agenda than anyone killed in a Volt fire.
    White House: Yeah, We Knew About Chevy Volt’s Catching On Fire, But Didn’t Try And Hide The News… | Weasel Zippers
     
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    Fires aren't the reason to dump the Volt though. The real reason is because it will take 28 years to get any benefit from driving it.
     
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    So, you have two "investigations" and no proof that the Chevy Volt played a role?

    Oh, and something from a small mammal porn site.

    OK then. I'm sure they all know better than the NHSA. Aren't you at least a little embarrassed by your own rebuttal?
     
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    I plan to buy one in the next year or so and I assure you I will begin to get benefit immediately. At about $31,000 it's cheaper than the car I'll be trading in.
     
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    I'm horrified and embarassed about this whole country in electing obama in the first place.

    No one blames obama for the Volt. He is blamed and rightly so, for giving billions to this dangerous failure on the sole basis that it advances his political agenda.
     

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