When do you change your mind about Joe McCarthy?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by CrusaderFrank, Oct 18, 2010.

  1. CrusaderFrank
    Offline

    CrusaderFrank Diamond Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2009
    Messages:
    81,259
    Thanks Received:
    14,919
    Trophy Points:
    2,210
    Ratings:
    +37,057
    I learned that McCarthy was a bad man who used his power and the House Unamerican Activities Committee to blacklist good, decent, totally innocent Americans. He was evil, a drunk, a bully, a bad, bad man.

    That was then.

    Since then the Soviets themselves admit that they had a robust spy operation at State Department with highly placed people operating entire networks of spies who reported to Moscow and did their bidding, undermining our efforts and enhancing the Communist positions the world over

    It matters because Soviet operatives at State handed Yugoslavia to Tito, China to Mao and goaded the USA to take a hard line against the Japanese prior to Pearl Harbor. The Japanese had kicked the crap out of the Russians at the turn of the century and Moscow wanted the USA and Japan to come to blows.

    Between Venona and tens of thousands of pages of declassified FBI documents, we have a mountain of solid evidence and reports describing in vivid detail the extent of the Soviet penetration. All the facts, the paper trail, the confessions from Moscow confirm that Joe McCarthy got it right.

    At what point do you admit that you need to reevaluate what you've been taught about McCarthy?
     
    Last edited: Oct 18, 2010
  2. Luissa
    Offline

    Luissa Annoying Customer Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2008
    Messages:
    43,190
    Thanks Received:
    5,593
    Trophy Points:
    1,785
    Location:
    TARDIS
    Ratings:
    +5,664
    I have never changed my mind.
     
  3. CrusaderFrank
    Offline

    CrusaderFrank Diamond Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2009
    Messages:
    81,259
    Thanks Received:
    14,919
    Trophy Points:
    2,210
    Ratings:
    +37,057
    Meaning you knew all along he was right or you're impervious to 80,000 pages of documents proving him correct?
     
    Last edited: Oct 18, 2010
  4. PoliticalChic
    Offline

    PoliticalChic Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2008
    Messages:
    55,861
    Thanks Received:
    15,674
    Trophy Points:
    2,190
    Location:
    Brooklyn, NY
    Ratings:
    +25,008
    Somewhere between reading 'In Denial: Historians, Communism, and Espionage" by Klehr and Haynes, and ‘The Sword and the Shield: The Mitrokhin Archives, the History of the KGB,” by Christopher Andrew and Vasili Mitrokhin.

    Or maybe it was "Venona: Decoding Soviet Espionage in America," also by Haynes and Klehr...


    I certainly recommend same to anyone whose mind has never changed re: Senator McCarthy.


    And thenn follow it up with the compilation "The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression," because, as Alexander Pope so insightfully stated:

    "A little Learning is a dang'rous Thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian Spring."
     
  5. theDoctorisIn
    Online

    theDoctorisIn Senior Mod Staff Member Senior USMB Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2009
    Messages:
    30,025
    Thanks Received:
    5,799
    Trophy Points:
    1,140
    Location:
    East, but still West
    Ratings:
    +11,972
    So, what exactly did Dalton Trumbo, Ring Lardner, and Paul Robeson do? What state secrets did they sell to the Soviets?
     
  6. PoliticalChic
    Offline

    PoliticalChic Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2008
    Messages:
    55,861
    Thanks Received:
    15,674
    Trophy Points:
    2,190
    Location:
    Brooklyn, NY
    Ratings:
    +25,008
    I would love to respond, and explain the impact that 'fellow travelers' have throughout history, but, frankly, I find that avatar so disgusting I'll have to pass.
     
  7. theDoctorisIn
    Online

    theDoctorisIn Senior Mod Staff Member Senior USMB Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2009
    Messages:
    30,025
    Thanks Received:
    5,799
    Trophy Points:
    1,140
    Location:
    East, but still West
    Ratings:
    +11,972
    Whatever you say.
     
  8. Intense
    Offline

    Intense Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2009
    Messages:
    44,909
    Thanks Received:
    5,849
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings:
    +5,863
    I did back in the 80's. ;) :lol: :lol: :lol:
     
  9. Defiant1
    Online

    Defiant1 Gold Member

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2010
    Messages:
    3,212
    Thanks Received:
    492
    Trophy Points:
    140
    Ratings:
    +987
    McCarthy has always been a hero to me.

    I'm glad I don't have to change my mind. I hate doing that.
     

Share This Page