When did we stop educating people?

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When did we stop educating people?, when did we decide the state should tell people what to think instead of how to think on various important issues that affect us every day, and instead teach them, their is only way one way of thinking, and that those who want more rights, are racist, homophobic, and stupid, rather then looking in the mirror, they might actually see that in themselves
 
The next year, the Rockefeller Education Board—which funded the creation of numerous public schools—issued a statement which read in part:

In our dreams…people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hands. The present educational conventions [intellectual and character education] fade from our minds, and unhampered by tradition we work our own good will upon a grateful and responsive folk. We shall not try to make these people or any of their children into philosophers or men of learning or men of science. We have not to raise up from among them authors, educators, poets or men of letters. We shall not search for embryo great artists, painters, musicians, nor lawyers, doctors, preachers, politicians, statesmen, of whom we have ample supply. The task we set before ourselves is very simple…we will organize children…and teach them to do in a perfect way the things their fathers and mothers are doing in an imperfect way.

During the golden age of progressives
 
The next year, the Rockefeller Education Board—which funded the creation of numerous public schools—issued a statement which read in part:

In our dreams…people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hands. The present educational conventions [intellectual and character education] fade from our minds, and unhampered by tradition we work our own good will upon a grateful and responsive folk. We shall not try to make these people or any of their children into philosophers or men of learning or men of science. We have not to raise up from among them authors, educators, poets or men of letters. We shall not search for embryo great artists, painters, musicians, nor lawyers, doctors, preachers, politicians, statesmen, of whom we have ample supply. The task we set before ourselves is very simple…we will organize children…and teach them to do in a perfect way the things their fathers and mothers are doing in an imperfect way.

During the golden age of progressives

From your article: The Educational System Was Designed to Keep Us Uneducated and Docile

That's what the right wing wants. Injecting the occult into the classroom. Magical creation taught as an alternative to science. No wonder right wingers fall so far behind in education.
 
When did we stop educating people?, when did we decide the state should tell people what to think instead of how to think on various important issues that affect us every day, and instead teach them, their is only way one way of thinking, and that those who want more rights, are racist, homophobic, and stupid, rather then looking in the mirror, they might actually see that in themselves

whatcha mean the state telling people what to think?
The corporate media has been doing that for years.
 
When liberals took over the school systems. Everyone wins, everyone is equal, some schools don't give out F's, Latinos who don't speak English are deported they get extra attention, teachers aren't free to expel kids from their class, schools aren't free to kick disruptive kids out, school pass poor score kids in order to not have to deal with the kids and we pussify our kids.

I was playing Candy-land with my daughter and son. My daughter got all the way to the end and she said "Daddy I won" then my son said "We both one." I cringed and said "No, you lost! #^&^ won! There are winners and loser, you do your best, play fair, be a good sport, but always try to win!"

It's crap!


When did we stop educating people?, when did we decide the state should tell people what to think instead of how to think on various important issues that affect us every day, and instead teach them, their is only way one way of thinking, and that those who want more rights, are racist, homophobic, and stupid, rather then looking in the mirror, they might actually see that in themselves
 
The next year, the Rockefeller Education Board—which funded the creation of numerous public schools—issued a statement which read in part:

In our dreams…people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hands. The present educational conventions [intellectual and character education] fade from our minds, and unhampered by tradition we work our own good will upon a grateful and responsive folk. We shall not try to make these people or any of their children into philosophers or men of learning or men of science. We have not to raise up from among them authors, educators, poets or men of letters. We shall not search for embryo great artists, painters, musicians, nor lawyers, doctors, preachers, politicians, statesmen, of whom we have ample supply. The task we set before ourselves is very simple…we will organize children…and teach them to do in a perfect way the things their fathers and mothers are doing in an imperfect way.

During the golden age of progressives

From your article: The Educational System Was Designed to Keep Us Uneducated and Docile

That's what the right wing wants. Injecting the occult into the classroom. Magical creation taught as an alternative to science. No wonder right wingers fall so far behind in education.

Yeah all those rightwing union thugs and NEA for vouchers folks .
You dont put a lot of thought into your posts do you?
 
When did we stop educating people?, when did we decide the state should tell people what to think instead of how to think on various important issues that affect us every day, and instead teach them, their is only way one way of thinking, and that those who want more rights, are racist, homophobic, and stupid, rather then looking in the mirror, they might actually see that in themselves

whatcha mean the state telling people what to think?
The corporate media has been doing that for years.

there´s more truth in this opinion then you expect. When I analyzed my first hollywood movie at university, I rubbed my eyes by realizing how my mind is feeded with the thoughts of others and with the goal to manipulate me.
 
Your kids may not be learning much in college after all. New research finds 45 percent of university students show no significant improvement in test scores after two years of college. A New York University professor presents the findings in his new book, "Academically Adrift: Limited Learning."

The book's accompanying study suggests those same students showed no significant improvement in the key measures of critical thinking, complex reasoning and writing by the end of their sophomore years. Half of them did not take a single course requiring 20 pages of writing during their prior semester.

Among the findings outlined in the book and report, which tracked students through four years of college:

*Overall, the picture doesn't brighten much over four years. After four years, 36 percent of students did not demonstrate significant improvement, compared to 45 percent after two.

College May Be Too Easy, Study Says - New Jersey 101.5 FM

Oh brother. Another hundred grand down the toilet. :evil:
 
When did we stop educating people?, when did we decide the state should tell people what to think instead of how to think on various important issues that affect us every day, and instead teach them, their is only way one way of thinking, and that those who want more rights, are racist, homophobic, and stupid, rather then looking in the mirror, they might actually see that in themselves

I'm not sure, but its fairly clear that your education stopped the day before the concept of how to avoid writing run-on sentences was taught.
 
We haven't stopped educating people, but continued to teach the foundations of educations along with higher thinking skills limited to critical thinking and logic.

But I agree, schools are failing because "do gooders" have changed the schools into "social family helpers by bring in nurses( checking hearing and eyes), taking the place of family doctors, giving a taste of the arts (choirs, bands, plays, puppet shows, magicians,I could go on), community helpers (Fireman Freddie, Healthy Bear, Mr. Tooth, Good Touches Bad Touches, who do you tell?, etc.

Then there are schools that do the social promoting rather than have students repeat the grade where they missed mastery of skills. That is the most egregious error of all. Teacher set up the students for a colossal failure the following year. Great for the self concept. Two years of being a miserable failure and from then on never a decent year.

When did we stop educating? When you gave the right to teachers to waste valuable time from their classrooms while the school did "parent's work"...they can tell them how to brush their teeth, if someone touches your private parts, tell me!, If there is a fire, this is what we will do, etc.

And then when you gave teachers license to pass students on without mastery of the skills. Those students should be tested by a standardized test by outside people who takes the test with them and the principal will question the teacher. If the student's scores are a year behind, what does the teacher's grades show? Gives you great clue on the teacher's effectiveness and skill of teaching and evaluation.

Our system needs overhaul...yes!
 
Your kids may not be learning much in college after all. New research finds 45 percent of university students show no significant improvement in test scores after two years of college. A New York University professor presents the findings in his new book, "Academically Adrift: Limited Learning."

The book's accompanying study suggests those same students showed no significant improvement in the key measures of critical thinking, complex reasoning and writing by the end of their sophomore years. Half of them did not take a single course requiring 20 pages of writing during their prior semester.

Among the findings outlined in the book and report, which tracked students through four years of college:

*Overall, the picture doesn't brighten much over four years. After four years, 36 percent of students did not demonstrate significant improvement, compared to 45 percent after two.

College May Be Too Easy, Study Says - New Jersey 101.5 FM

Oh brother. Another hundred grand down the toilet. :evil:

In reality, 36 percent of college students dont belong there in the first place. And chances are that its not the result of professors inability to teach but the student actions that are wasting mommy and daddys money.
 
Education faltered and failed when we turned our backs on individual excellence in achievement and settled for collective mediocrity for the sake of equality.
 
When did we stop educating people?, when did we decide the state should tell people what to think instead of how to think on various important issues that affect us every day, and instead teach them, their is only way one way of thinking, and that those who want more rights, are racist, homophobic, and stupid, rather then looking in the mirror, they might actually see that in themselves

Pretty much since the right has been calling any attempt to improve schools "throwing money at the problem".

The right does not value education and they rail against it in many ways.

They insult anyone who teaches or seeks to teach.

If you do not value the profession of teaching you will never value education.
 
Your kids may not be learning much in college after all. New research finds 45 percent of university students show no significant improvement in test scores after two years of college. A New York University professor presents the findings in his new book, "Academically Adrift: Limited Learning."

The book's accompanying study suggests those same students showed no significant improvement in the key measures of critical thinking, complex reasoning and writing by the end of their sophomore years. Half of them did not take a single course requiring 20 pages of writing during their prior semester.

Among the findings outlined in the book and report, which tracked students through four years of college:

*Overall, the picture doesn't brighten much over four years. After four years, 36 percent of students did not demonstrate significant improvement, compared to 45 percent after two.

College May Be Too Easy, Study Says - New Jersey 101.5 FM

Oh brother. Another hundred grand down the toilet. :evil:

1. “…The fate of the modern university and the fate of Western civilization are inextricably intertwined.” Brigette Berger, “Multiculturalism and the Modern University,” from ‘The Politics of Political Correctness,’ in the Partisan Review (1993) pp. 516, 519

2. Today we are witness to the abandonment of the ideals of preservation of the great works and traditions of Western civilization, including the traditions of rationality and skepticism, by our universities.

a. This loss of respect for intellect spreads to lower schools, and to society in general. “It was only a matter of time. The graphic novel along with its on-screen equivalent, computer games, are to be offered to students as a new university course.” Holy academia, Batman! Scots universities offer courses in comics - Times Online

b. The education system is necessarily opposed to meritocracy and reward for achievement. Fads such as the self-esteem movement take precedence. “Berkeley High School is considering a controversial proposal to eliminate science labs and the five science teachers who teach them to free up more resources to help struggling students.” Berkeley High May Cut Out Science Labs | News | Oakland, Berkeley, Bay Area & California | East Bay Express

3. And the reason for the change is even more disheartening: Universities have abandoned intellect because it represented the barrier that rationality places in the way of politicization.

a. The move is toward ever more insistent and radical egalitarianism which is the very heart of modern liberalism, as “intellect in America is resented as a kind of excellence, as a claim to distinction, as a challenge to egalitarianism, as a quantity which almost certainly deprives a man or woman of the common touch.” Richard Hofstadter, “Anti-intellectualism in American Life,” p. 51.

b. One can trace the anti-intellectualism, modern liberalism, and the passion for an evangelical equality as moving in tandem.

c. In light of the fact that the rational though can imperil many of the premises of the radical left, there has grown what is called post-modernism, an outright denial of truth. Even in science…

d. The leading proponents of ‘post-normal science,’ PNS, Funtowicz and Ravetz, have written that, in issue-driven science, ‘facts’ and ‘values’ are unified by replacing ‘truth’ by ‘quality.’ http://www.ecoeco.org/pdf/pstnormsc.pdf

e. Students are taught by left-wing professors that traditional respect for logic, evidence, intellectual honesty, and the other requirements for scholastic discipline are not merely passé, but repressive, attempting to support a society that benefits only white, heterosexual males.

4. In too many college courses, examinations are minimized, grades inflated, and grading is based on ‘class participation.’ This is especially true in schools of education, where prospective teachers are thus allowed to avoid competition, and invest in educational faddishness in opposition to conventional (bourgeois) methods and standards. Robert H. Bork, “Slouching Toward Gomorrah,” ch. 7.

5. The National Association of Scholars (NAS) documented the changes in universities comparing the years 1914, 1939, 1964 and 1993.

a. Decline in required courses from 55% of courses, down to 33% by 1993. And even more telling, in 1914 no exemptions were allowed in 98% of the courses, but by 1993 it was only in 29%. This, of course produces students with a far narrower basis for understanding context.

b. In 1914, 57% of institutions had a literature requirement, by 1993 this was down to 14%. The same pattern appeared in philosophy, religion, social science, natural science, and mathematics.

c. The study found “diminishing rigor at most prestigious colleges…” Students graduating from these elite schools not only had fewer assignments to complete but were asked to do considerably less in completing them.” The NAS commented on how this drop off in hard work negatively influences character, and this effect on society’s leaders impacts the strength and vitality of society.

d. Decline of rigor can be seen, as well, in the number of days classes were in session, from 204 in 1914 to 156 in 1993, and the length of a class period fell by 10.2%.
The National Association of Scholars, “The Dissolution of General Education: 1914-1993” NAS - The National Association of Scholars :: Reports

6. Interesting as well, and an indication of correspondence, the NAS found the above trends accelerate from the Sixties on.
 

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