When Did The Republican Party Become Stupid?

[AVG-JOE]

I believe it was the onset of the Teaparty. I mean these people are scary stupid.

Before the TEA Party we had the 'Moral Majority'.

It actually goes back to the 50's & 60's when Christians began to see their political power, both assumed and real, being eroded in the courts as groups began to demand the equal protection promised by the word "all" in the founding documents.

Their plan, starting in the 70's, was a good one, take the state legislatures and Gerrymander a foothold in the state legislatures that would influence the national stage for decades.

 

[Kimura]

The debate is over. I suggest that even entertaining a discussion about whether or not we are facing a climate change problem is foolish.

I think a debate regarding how to go about solving the problem is reasonable. There are various interests who should have a say.....so there will be differences of opinion.

But....if you are still discussing the very existence of the problem as though it is debatable.......you are wasting everyone's time.

What's the problem? Warmer?
Look at history, when it was warmer, mankind thrived.
Those periods were called climatic optimums.
When it was colder, people starved, died, in huge numbers.

So why is the temperature in 1980 or 1900 or whatever arbitrary year you pick, the perfect temperature?

You are wasting your own time. This is no longer up for debate.

I agree, warmer is better.

Feel free to tell me what year we had the perfect temperature and why.

Climate has always varied to a certain extent, some understood, some more than others. In the modern context, climate change is very well understood and documented. Pointing out that something happened in the past without the hand of man doesn't prove that humans aren't involved today.

For example, scientists know from ice core records in Greenland and Antarctica that the earth phased in and out of glacial time periods in 120,000 year periods. The other important fact is that today's pace of climate change is like ten times faster than what scientists have found in the ice core records.

This type of warming or climate change on a global scale is beyond rare in the geological records. While this isn't completely unprecedented, there is an abundant amount of evidence that such changes are catastrophic for the biosphere.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What's the problem? Warmer?
Look at history, when it was warmer, mankind thrived.
Those periods were called climatic optimums.
When it was colder, people starved, died, in huge numbers.

So why is the temperature in 1980 or 1900 or whatever arbitrary year you pick, the perfect temperature?

You are wasting your own time. This is no longer up for debate.

I agree, warmer is better.

Feel free to tell me what year we had the perfect temperature and why.

Climate has always varied to a certain extent, some understood, some more than others. In the modern context, climate change is very well understood and documented. Pointing out that something happened in the past without the hand of man doesn't prove that humans aren't involved today.

For example, scientists know from ice core records in Greenland and Antarctica that the earth phased in and out of glacial time periods in 120,000 year periods. The other important fact is that today's pace of climate change is like ten times faster than what scientists have found in the ice core records.

This type of warming or climate change on a global scale is beyond rare in the geological records. While this isn't completely unprecedented, there is an abundant amount of evidence that such changes are catastrophic for the biosphere.

Pointing out that something happened in the past without the hand of man doesn't prove that humans aren't involved today.
Sure. So what?

This type of warming or climate change on a global scale is beyond rare in the geological records.

I don't believe the evidence backs up your claim.

You never answered, when did we have the perfect temperature?

 

[Kimura]

You are wasting your own time. This is no longer up for debate.

I agree, warmer is better.

Feel free to tell me what year we had the perfect temperature and why.

Climate has always varied to a certain extent, some understood, some more than others. In the modern context, climate change is very well understood and documented. Pointing out that something happened in the past without the hand of man doesn't prove that humans aren't involved today.

For example, scientists know from ice core records in Greenland and Antarctica that the earth phased in and out of glacial time periods in 120,000 year periods. The other important fact is that today's pace of climate change is like ten times faster than what scientists have found in the ice core records.

This type of warming or climate change on a global scale is beyond rare in the geological records. While this isn't completely unprecedented, there is an abundant amount of evidence that such changes are catastrophic for the biosphere.

Pointing out that something happened in the past without the hand of man doesn't prove that humans aren't involved today.
Sure. So what?

This type of warming or climate change on a global scale is beyond rare in the geological records.

I don't believe the evidence backs up your claim.

You never answered, when did we have the perfect temperature?

I'd have to go with the pre-industrial Holocene but that's an open ended question. It's liking asking a physician to define perfect health.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

The debate is over.

If that's the case why does half the country not believe you?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I agree, warmer is better.

Feel free to tell me what year we had the perfect temperature and why.

Climate has always varied to a certain extent, some understood, some more than others. In the modern context, climate change is very well understood and documented. Pointing out that something happened in the past without the hand of man doesn't prove that humans aren't involved today.

For example, scientists know from ice core records in Greenland and Antarctica that the earth phased in and out of glacial time periods in 120,000 year periods. The other important fact is that today's pace of climate change is like ten times faster than what scientists have found in the ice core records.

This type of warming or climate change on a global scale is beyond rare in the geological records. While this isn't completely unprecedented, there is an abundant amount of evidence that such changes are catastrophic for the biosphere.

Pointing out that something happened in the past without the hand of man doesn't prove that humans aren't involved today.
Sure. So what?

This type of warming or climate change on a global scale is beyond rare in the geological records.

I don't believe the evidence backs up your claim.

You never answered, when did we have the perfect temperature?

I'd have to go with the pre-industrial Holocene but that's an open ended question. It's liking asking a physician to define perfect health.

I'd have to go with the pre-industrial Holocene

So the perfect temperature is...............?

 

[Boss]

Climate has always varied to a certain extent, some understood, some more than others. In the modern context, climate change is very well understood and documented. Pointing out that something happened in the past without the hand of man doesn't prove that humans aren't involved today.

For example, scientists know from ice core records in Greenland and Antarctica that the earth phased in and out of glacial time periods in 120,000 year periods. The other important fact is that today's pace of climate change is like ten times faster than what scientists have found in the ice core records.

This type of warming or climate change on a global scale is beyond rare in the geological records. While this isn't completely unprecedented, there is an abundant amount of evidence that such changes are catastrophic for the biosphere.

today's pace of climate change is like ten times faster than what scientists have found in the ice core records.

This is not true. It appears to be based on the discredited hockey stick graph which was a fraud. The only scientific evidence for global warming is a 1 degree rise in median temperature over the past 100 years. This is not rare in the geological records, it has been much colder and much warmer in the past. In 1816, because of a volcano, median temperature dropped 0.4–0.7 °C (0.7–1.3 °F) in one year. It was dubbed Year Without a Summer.

Now, it is very important to note, in 1816, they didn't get into some worldwide panic and launch some monumental effort to do something about it, they let nature take it's course because... well, that's all you can really do. In spite of tons and tons of gasses, ash and smoke, filling our atmosphere to the point of blocking the sun and causing median temperatures to drop so low we didn't have a summer, guess what eventually happened? That's right, Mother Nature cleaned itself up, dusted herself off, and the climate returned to it's normal cycle.

I wonder though... How was Mother Nature able to do that without a Liberal?

 

[LoneLaugher]

The debate is over.

If that's the case why does half the country not believe you?

The debate is over.

If that's the case why does half the country not believe you?

First.....I'm not suggesting that anyone believe ME. I'm not a climatologist nor an expert on the subject in any way. I just have the ability to listen to those who are. The debate is over.

Regarding your ridiculous claim about half the country not "believing".....you ought to seek out some facts. 75% of Americans think "global warming" is a problem and over half think it is largely due to man's activities.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/23/science/global-warming-concerns-grow.html?_r=0

http://climatechangecommunication.org/sites/default/files/reports/Politics_and_Global_Warming.pdf

In general, politically conservative people are the only people who deny that climate change is a problem. One of these days, the reality will hit you. At which time you will fall back on the secondary position that nutters have. You know.....the one where they say they believe it is happening, but not caused by man. Baby steps for you, I suppose.

 

[eagle1462010]

 

[JoeB131]

No, 95% of climatologists have said we are in a warming cycle. That may not even be true. Climatologists are not the only scientists who've studied this "global warming" phenomenon. A good many botanical scientists totally disagree with your "too much CO2" theories. A good many geologists have totally refuted the myth that our planet is experiencing something unordinary with change in climate. And most physicists laugh at the notion that humans could ever change what happens with regard to the atmosphere.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the theory of evolution or if it's correct. It also has nothing to do with the fact that socialized medicine and gun control do not work. The only pretenders are morons like you, who've bought into the liberal socialist propaganda to allow government to control capitalism some more.

Botanists aren't climatologists. Neither are Geologists.

And, frankly, I don't feel like having our descendants deal with the results of AGW because you don't want the rich people to be denied a Dressage Horsie.

Here's the problem. You are right, if we are going to address this, we need government to control a lot of things. The thing about it is, dumbasses like you have been conditioned to think this is a bad thing.

 

[eagle1462010]

No, 95% of climatologists have said we are in a warming cycle. That may not even be true. Climatologists are not the only scientists who've studied this "global warming" phenomenon. A good many botanical scientists totally disagree with your "too much CO2" theories. A good many geologists have totally refuted the myth that our planet is experiencing something unordinary with change in climate. And most physicists laugh at the notion that humans could ever change what happens with regard to the atmosphere.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the theory of evolution or if it's correct. It also has nothing to do with the fact that socialized medicine and gun control do not work. The only pretenders are morons like you, who've bought into the liberal socialist propaganda to allow government to control capitalism some more.

Botanists aren't climatologists. Neither are Geologists.

And, frankly, I don't feel like having our descendants deal with the results of AGW because you don't want the rich people to be denied a Dressage Horsie.

Here's the problem. You are right, if we are going to address this, we need government to control a lot of things. The thing about it is, dumbasses like you have been conditioned to think this is a bad thing.

Class Warfare Card played...............

Who pays for the policies...........The poor when your cult of Enviro Wacks pass the bill on to the consumer when their bills go up in your fight for trying to save the planet................Save the planet......save the planet.

Problem, who is going to save us from your BS policies, that hurt the poor more than anyone else in higher bills. And spend money via the tax payer to study COW BURPS..........

Bunch of dumb asses who did too much dang acid in the 60's and fried their brains.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Whether the debate is over or not is a personal question. Whether you BELIEVE that it's all bullshit, or BELIEVE that the planet is warming and human industry is a contributing factor, if you BELIEVE, the debate is over for you.

The only folks for whom the debate is not over are the undecideds.
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Whether or not Jon Stewart has any credibility as a 'journalist' is moot - the people who voted for the congressmen featured in the clips in the O/P video should be embarrassed. At best, those committee members are playing stupid to advance an agenda, at worse, they really are that stupid.

Whether or not the planet is warming and human industry is a contributing factor is also moot, ass-u-me-ing one is not stupid enough to believe that pollution in the air is something we should just have to live (and die) with.

Did we learn NOTHING from the successful clean-up imposed on industry in the 1970's?
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[eagle1462010]

Whether the debate is over or not is a personal question. Whether you BELIEVE that it's all bullshit, or BELIEVE that the planet is warming and human industry is a contributing factor, if you BELIEVE, the debate is over for you.

The only folks for whom the debate is not over are the undecideds.
______________

Whether or not Jon Stewart has any credibility as a 'journalist' is moot - the people who voted for the congressmen featured in the clips in the O/P video should be embarrassed. At best, those committee members are playing stupid to advance an agenda, at worse, they really are that stupid.

Whether or not the planet is warming and human industry is a contributing factor is also moot, ass-u-me-ing one is not stupid enough to believe that pollution in the air is something we should just have to live (and die) with.

Did we learn NOTHING from the successful clean-up imposed on industry in the 1970's?
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Opinions are personal. Absolutely. My opinion is that the policies of the Global Warming Crowd have economic effects to those least able to afford it.

Then they claim they are attacking the rich, statements for RICH DEM POLITICIANS SAYING IT, and cause the poor to get hit in the pocket book via higher prices............

Then have the nerve to say they are helping the poor by making their cost of living go up and are proud of it.

You just can't make this stupid BS up.

 

[JoeB131]

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Class Warfare Card played...............

Who pays for the policies...........The poor when your cult of Enviro Wacks pass the bill on to the consumer when their bills go up in your fight for trying to save the planet................Save the planet......save the planet.

Problem, who is going to save us from your BS policies, that hurt the poor more than anyone else in higher bills. And spend money via the tax payer to study COW BURPS..........

Bunch of dumb asses who did too much dang acid in the 60's and fried their brains.

Actually, the consumer will be far better off if we passed simple laws. If we all drove fuel efficient cars, we'd save thousands per year.

Global Warming is class warfare. The rich are always going to be able to afford air conditioned offices and homes. Meanwhile, we have a major heat wave, and they are stacking poor people in refrigerator trucks because we don't have room for them in the Morgues.

 

[eagle1462010]

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Class Warfare Card played...............

Who pays for the policies...........The poor when your cult of Enviro Wacks pass the bill on to the consumer when their bills go up in your fight for trying to save the planet................Save the planet......save the planet.

Problem, who is going to save us from your BS policies, that hurt the poor more than anyone else in higher bills. And spend money via the tax payer to study COW BURPS..........

Bunch of dumb asses who did too much dang acid in the 60's and fried their brains.

Actually, the consumer will be far better off if we passed simple laws. If we all drove fuel efficient cars, we'd save thousands per year.

Global Warming is class warfare. The rich are always going to be able to afford air conditioned offices and homes. Meanwhile, we have a major heat wave, and they are stacking poor people in refrigerator trucks because we don't have room for them in the Morgues.

Spare me the BS...........Enviro policies cause utility prices to increase which hurts the people least able to afford it. You are part of the problem.

 

[JoeB131]

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Spare me the BS...........Enviro policies cause utility prices to increase which hurts the people least able to afford it. You are part of the problem.

Really? Frankly, utility prices have actually FALLEN when adjusted for inflation. Do you even bother to fact check?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Whether the debate is over or not is a personal question. Whether you BELIEVE that it's all bullshit, or BELIEVE that the planet is warming and human industry is a contributing factor, if you BELIEVE, the debate is over for you.

The only folks for whom the debate is not over are the undecideds.
______________

Whether or not Jon Stewart has any credibility as a 'journalist' is moot - the people who voted for the congressmen featured in the clips in the O/P video should be embarrassed. At best, those committee members are playing stupid to advance an agenda, at worse, they really are that stupid.

Whether or not the planet is warming and human industry is a contributing factor is also moot, ass-u-me-ing one is not stupid enough to believe that pollution in the air is something we should just have to live (and die) with.

Did we learn NOTHING from the successful clean-up imposed on industry in the 1970's?
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Sorry Joe,

I'm done trying to mollify those who will not accept the science. I am not discussing my beliefs here. I am discussing the science. Those who claim that climate change is not occurring and that it isn't a problem....do not get to claim equal standing with me. They are to be mocked.

The debate is over.

 

[eagle1462010]

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Spare me the BS...........Enviro policies cause utility prices to increase which hurts the people least able to afford it. You are part of the problem.

Really? Frankly, utility prices have actually FALLEN when adjusted for inflation. Do you even bother to fact check?

Tell me about the effect of the Kemper Power plant to utility rates and get back to me.

Tell me about the costs of installing EPA mandated devices and get back to me.

 

[JoeB131]

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Tell me about the effect of the Kemper Power plant to utility rates and get back to me.

Tell me about the costs of installing EPA mandated devices and get back to me.

A lot of those devices pay for themselves. For instance, converting from a old HVAC system to a new high efficiency one will save $900.00 a year in utilities.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Both parties are "stupid." That is clear to anyone capable of thinking.

Yet many on the left only identify and condemn stupidity by the R party...now that is really stupid.

This fails as an attempt to deflect.


The thread is about the ignorance and stupidity that is unique to the right:


'...for whom...politics "becomes an arena into which the wildest fancies are projected, the most paranoid suspicions, the most absurd superstitions, the most bizarre apocalyptic fantasies."'


We see examples of this from the right on this very forum.


So no, the two parties are not the same.