When can we discuss prostituion?

[Two Thumbs]

Think of all the jobs that could be created...the tax revenue

We could even open special schools

Dicktation 101

 

[Samson]

Think of all the jobs that could be created...the tax revenue

We could even open special schools

I thought prostitution was already being taught.

 

[High_Gravity]

Prostitution has always been out.

Alcohol is the creator of society.
Voting took a mass effort. For women, the final straw to get them the right wasn't any march, or quote from the Constitution.
They, enmass, cut thier husbands off. No luvin in my oven till I get to vote.
I think it took about 3 weeks
Simular mass movement for black Americans.

There will not be any mass movement for whores.
Why?
B/c anyone that does come out in support will be considered someone that HAS to use them. And that will carry shame for generations.

Well just because prostitution is illegal doesn't mean its not there, in Germany prostitution is a billion dollar a year business, our economy is tanked so that could help out. Our country is bigger tha Germany so we might make even more money, besides all these sleazy massage parlors are pretty much brothels anyways, not to mention "escorts".

So you literally want to

"Tax that ass"


sumbody had to go there.

Hell yeah!

 

[MikeK]

No.

Please explain, O' EXPERIENCED ONE?

I believe that George is commenting on something that most of us realized early on in our lives..... No matter what, a Man always pays for sex. Whether it's with money, food, gifts, emotional attachment, etc.... very few women give up their intimate attentions without first being properly compensated for their time and involvement.

That's not necessarily true. It really depends on the individual man and woman.

 

[JBeukema]

Cecile, are you that wench who 'went to freshen up' and disappeared after I bought you all those drinks the other day?

I think you took my pen and I want it back.

So, I'm in my favorite bar, open to the possibility of meeting a guy.

You check USMB at the bar? No wonder you keep leaving alone

What's that likely-looking guy across the bar done to get ready for this? Took a shower, threw on a pair of clean jeans and a shirt, and ran a comb through his hair.

Hair product (I only used Garnier Fruictis)
cologne
dress shirt
slacks
starch and time ironing everything
silk tie
makeup (you're paying too much, Cecile)
shaving products
time getting to the bar
more oft than not, the man is taking the greater risk as he is generally expected to approach the woman
proper footwear + saddlesoap, mink oil, and polish

That's assuming you're going somewhere mid-range. Some establishments have higher standards.

If the man is driving, you can add fuel costs to that

 

[JBeukema]

Every other woman at that bar is ALSO vying to get that likely-looking guy to buy HER a drink, and each one of them has gone through her own primping ritual, and don't even try to tell me I'd get the same results from a t-shirt and a pair of yoga pants. Men may not notice the details, but they DO notice the lack of them.

Want me to buy you a drink? Don't make yourself look desperate and don't act easy. Open you mouth and show me you have a brain. Present yourself as someone I wouldn't mind waking up with, seeing, and speaking to in the morning.

In less you're just looking for a dick and nothing else, in which case you can just go up to any group of young men, show them you shaved, and ask whether they'd like to hit it.

 

[JBeukema]

Even under those circumstances, I spend part of every evening fending off unwanted attentions.

You gussied up to get attention and now you complain about it?

All of that just to make myself available so that that likely-looking guy across the bar can scan me, along with the other women hoping to be picked up, like a bunch of slabs of meat until he picks a target, meanders over, buys me a lousy $5 drink, and then feels like I owe him a roll in the hay for his generosity.

What about

Mind you, I don't actually go to bars to pick up men

Cecile... maybe you should try meeting guys somewhere other than bars. Try talking to guys at the library who are reading books you like. Perhaps attend political-action groups to meet like-minded folk. I met my former girlfriend at a center dedicated to reaching out to at-risk youth, with an emphasis on gltb youth who'd been shunned by their families. Not surprisingly, we had similar views on many other subjects.

 

[Anachronism]

First of all, if you ever visit Tucson, I would be more than happy to buy you a drink . . . and you don't even have to sleep with me afterward. Would that more men were willing to be that generous.

Thank you very much. That's an area of the country that I'd love to visit some day, so I might just take you up on that offer.

There ARE some of us men who are willing to be that generous. However, I will agree that we are in the minority most fo the time and get well over-shadowed by the legions of pickup artists out there.

As to the costs that accrue to women, are you saying you really think this is cost-free to women? Completely aside from the huge, and very serious, costs of the risk of pregnancy and rape from casual sex, and financial dependency and potentially being abandoned with one or more children from longer-term relationships, let's just consider, lightheartedly, that one night in a bar when some guy buys me a drink in the hopes of getting into my pants later.

So, I'm in my favorite bar, open to the possibility of meeting a guy. Toward that end, I'm wearing my favorite blue stretch-velvet minidress (just as an example). 50 dollars on sale. Sexy heels? 40 dollars. I've spent about an hour getting ready to go out (and I'm a lot faster than most women about that, I'm told): doing my hair (which costs $35 once a month to have styled), applying makeup (you don't even WANT to know how much this shit costs, and it has to be replaced every couple of months), doing my nails ($25 every two weeks, more if I have to replace them instead of getting them filled).

What's that likely-looking guy across the bar done to get ready for this? Took a shower, threw on a pair of clean jeans and a shirt, and ran a comb through his hair.

Now, you might be saying, "Cecilie, you don't have to do all that primping. Men don't care about that stuff." Bullshit. Every other woman at that bar is ALSO vying to get that likely-looking guy to buy HER a drink, and each one of them has gone through her own primping ritual, and don't even try to tell me I'd get the same results from a t-shirt and a pair of yoga pants. Men may not notice the details, but they DO notice the lack of them.

Okay, so I'm all gussied up and sitting in my favorite bar. Mind you, I don't actually go to bars to pick up men. My favorite bar is a karaoke bar, and I go to sing, and the people are mostly regulars I'm friends with. Even under those circumstances, I spend part of every evening fending off unwanted attentions. Half-soused cowboys breathing stale beer in my face, old farts with daughters my age (and I'm hardly just out of college here), wanna-be players who haven't even bothered to take off their wedding rings . . . Can you imagine what it would be like if I actually WAS there to get picked up?

All of that just to make myself available so that that likely-looking guy across the bar can scan me, along with the other women hoping to be picked up, like a bunch of slabs of meat until he picks a target, meanders over, buys me a lousy $5 drink, and then feels like I owe him a roll in the hay for his generosity.

I'm not going to even attempt to contradict a single part of your commentary. It would be foolish and ridiculous for me to even try. You already made most of the counter-arguements in your comments, anyway.

What I AM going to suggest is an alternative plan, if you don't want to deal with every Don Juan/Brad Pitt wannabe in the place.....

When you show up at the bar, take a look around. I'm sure you'll notice all the Brads and Don's with their buddies or by themselves at the edges of the place, scoping you and every other attractive lady in the bar out. Look past them. Find the two or three guys who are there by themselves. They're probably dressed a little nicer than Don and Brad. They might even have on a button-down shirt or a pair of slacks instead of jeans. They're likely wearing dress shoes or hiking boots and not everything may really be of the latest fashion or the best color combination. They're probably staring into their drinks and they definitely aren't doing more than looking at you out of the corner of their eye. Find one who looks kind of cute, in that "puppy dog who needs to be rescued" sort of way. Take your drink from the bar and approach him. Sit down with him. I can almost guarantee that you won't have to buy a drink the rest of the night, you might find some decent conversation about something other than your astological sign or your bra size, and IF you decide you want to go home with him at the end of the night, I'm sure he'll be ecstatic about it. If not, he won't call you a ***** either. If you ladies would take the initiative to give the Nice Guy a chance once in a while, you might find you don't have to deal with the meat market all the time. Oh, and a nice pair of jeans and a satin blouse look just as nice on you to that guy as the $150 cocktail dressdoes.

 

[Samson]

I met my former girlfriend at a center dedicated to reaching out to at-risk youth, with an emphasis on gltb youth who'd been shunned by their families. Not surprisingly, we had similar views on many other subjects.

Too easy.

 

[JBeukema]

That's an area of the country that I'd love to visit some day

You must like sand

 

[Anachronism]

You must like sand

Not especially. However, if it comes with heat, humidity, and an anti-illegal immigrant mentality I'll take it over this thing called "snow" that we have here every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

 

[JBeukema]

You must like sand

Not especially. However, if it comes with heat, humidity, and an anti-illegal immigrant mentality I'll take it over this thing called "snow" that we have here every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Humidity is only up north. Or if you're foolish enough to turn on a swamp cooler.

It's mostly hot and dry here. Like an oven. A few days or weeks during monsoon are the exception.

Fuck snow. Fuck snow. Fuck snow.

 

[MikeK]

[...]Why is there nowhere/no one that is willing to discuss decriminalizing this practice. I search far and wide, I try Google, I look for phone numbers. No one is discussing this massive topic.

[...]

The primary causes of this particular reticence are most men are reluctant to admit that they approve of paying a woman for sex and most women strongly disapprove of prostitution because it presents them with readily available competition. There also is the fact that the U.S. is one of the most sexually repressed nations in the developed world.

As far as any chance of getting it legalized or at least decriminalized, be advised that politicians are acutely aware such a proposal would automatically cost them the womens' vote and make them the target of derogatory accusations from an army of pious, hypocritical masturbators.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I am a male in my 30s, I have been hiring prostitutes since I was 18.
I am not very popular with women, so prostitutes make up a big part of my social life ( I am grateful for them).

This activity is the only illegal thing that I do.



QUESTION

Why is there nowhere/no one that is willing to discuss decriminalizing this practice.

I search far and wide, I try Google, I look for phone numbers. No one is discussing this massive topic.




MY THEORY

As loneliness and globalization increase, we will have a more acute needed for prostitutes. The supply and demand should both increase in tandem.


Can we start a conversation here on why and/or why not?
Is it time to zone, regulate and tax the hell out of the world's oldest profession?

I think it should be legal, and that the government should give everyone a allowance to see a prostitute one a week.

I don't actually support the second part, but funding prostitution makes more sense than funding NPR and the NEA.

 

[william the wie]

This is a silly discussion. Back when myspace was up pornbots would direct you to just about anywhere so why go to bars? I am certain the same is true of other meeting rooms on the web. Sugarbaby sites are all over and crowded with women. I would say from the reaction of the law to prostitution is just keep it off the street. Cops want to avoid statutory rapes on their watch and beat. Women are bothered by prostitution because too often they bore their men to tears and know it.

My position is that I celebrated my 33rd anniversary in January with a wife in poor health. When she nearly died 18 months ago I mentioned to a couple of single buddies that it looked like the quality of girls in the meet market was a lot crappier than when I was single. I was assured that looks were not deceiving. With a thoroughly modern 21st century woman what is the point in a relationship? The only difference today between whores and non-whores in more than 90% of cases is method of payment.

 

[bcornered]

I am a prostitute client to the core.
I really like them, and have much more in common with them than other women.

I do not care if everyone knows.

What I think gives us a chance is that the government is now broke.

Some months I pay $1000+ for commercial sex, I would certainly pay some to support the government in the form of tax. At some point they will have to understand this.

I will be with prostitutes till the day I die, legal or not. The govenment might as well get their cut!

[...]Why is there nowhere/no one that is willing to discuss decriminalizing this practice. I search far and wide, I try Google, I look for phone numbers. No one is discussing this massive topic.

[...]

The primary causes of this particular reticence are most men are reluctant to admit that they approve of paying a woman for sex and most women strongly disapprove of prostitution because it presents them with readily available competition. There also is the fact that the U.S. is one of the most sexually repressed nations in the developed world.

As far as any chance of getting it legalized or at least decriminalized, be advised that politicians are acutely aware such a proposal would automatically cost them the womens' vote and make them the target of derogatory accusations from an army of pious, hypocritical masturbators.

 

[Samson]

I am a prostitute client to the core.
I really like them, and have much more in common with them than other women.

I do not care if everyone knows.

What I think gives us a chance is that the government is now broke.

Some months I pay $1000+ for commercial sex, I would certainly pay some to support the government in the form of tax. At some point they will have to understand this.

I will be with prostitutes till the day I die, legal or not. The govenment might as well get their cut!]

Damn..... that story made me cry.

 

[xsited1]

I am a male in my 30s, I have been hiring prostitutes since I was 18.
I am not very popular with women, so prostitutes make up a big part of my social life ( I am grateful for them).

This activity is the only illegal thing that I do.



QUESTION

Why is there nowhere/no one that is willing to discuss decriminalizing this practice.

I search far and wide, I try Google, I look for phone numbers. No one is discussing this massive topic.




MY THEORY

As loneliness and globalization increase, we will have a more acute needed for prostitutes. The supply and demand should both increase in tandem.


Can we start a conversation here on why and/or why not?
Is it time to zone, regulate and tax the hell out of the world's oldest profession?

Is that you, Charlie?

 

[Cecilie1200]

First of all, if you ever visit Tucson, I would be more than happy to buy you a drink . . . and you don't even have to sleep with me afterward. Would that more men were willing to be that generous.

Thank you very much. That's an area of the country that I'd love to visit some day, so I might just take you up on that offer.

There ARE some of us men who are willing to be that generous. However, I will agree that we are in the minority most fo the time and get well over-shadowed by the legions of pickup artists out there.

As to the costs that accrue to women, are you saying you really think this is cost-free to women? Completely aside from the huge, and very serious, costs of the risk of pregnancy and rape from casual sex, and financial dependency and potentially being abandoned with one or more children from longer-term relationships, let's just consider, lightheartedly, that one night in a bar when some guy buys me a drink in the hopes of getting into my pants later.

So, I'm in my favorite bar, open to the possibility of meeting a guy. Toward that end, I'm wearing my favorite blue stretch-velvet minidress (just as an example). 50 dollars on sale. Sexy heels? 40 dollars. I've spent about an hour getting ready to go out (and I'm a lot faster than most women about that, I'm told): doing my hair (which costs $35 once a month to have styled), applying makeup (you don't even WANT to know how much this shit costs, and it has to be replaced every couple of months), doing my nails ($25 every two weeks, more if I have to replace them instead of getting them filled).

What's that likely-looking guy across the bar done to get ready for this? Took a shower, threw on a pair of clean jeans and a shirt, and ran a comb through his hair.

Now, you might be saying, "Cecilie, you don't have to do all that primping. Men don't care about that stuff." Bullshit. Every other woman at that bar is ALSO vying to get that likely-looking guy to buy HER a drink, and each one of them has gone through her own primping ritual, and don't even try to tell me I'd get the same results from a t-shirt and a pair of yoga pants. Men may not notice the details, but they DO notice the lack of them.

Okay, so I'm all gussied up and sitting in my favorite bar. Mind you, I don't actually go to bars to pick up men. My favorite bar is a karaoke bar, and I go to sing, and the people are mostly regulars I'm friends with. Even under those circumstances, I spend part of every evening fending off unwanted attentions. Half-soused cowboys breathing stale beer in my face, old farts with daughters my age (and I'm hardly just out of college here), wanna-be players who haven't even bothered to take off their wedding rings . . . Can you imagine what it would be like if I actually WAS there to get picked up?

All of that just to make myself available so that that likely-looking guy across the bar can scan me, along with the other women hoping to be picked up, like a bunch of slabs of meat until he picks a target, meanders over, buys me a lousy $5 drink, and then feels like I owe him a roll in the hay for his generosity.

I'm not going to even attempt to contradict a single part of your commentary. It would be foolish and ridiculous for me to even try. You already made most of the counter-arguements in your comments, anyway.

What I AM going to suggest is an alternative plan, if you don't want to deal with every Don Juan/Brad Pitt wannabe in the place.....

When you show up at the bar, take a look around. I'm sure you'll notice all the Brads and Don's with their buddies or by themselves at the edges of the place, scoping you and every other attractive lady in the bar out. Look past them. Find the two or three guys who are there by themselves. They're probably dressed a little nicer than Don and Brad. They might even have on a button-down shirt or a pair of slacks instead of jeans. They're likely wearing dress shoes or hiking boots and not everything may really be of the latest fashion or the best color combination. They're probably staring into their drinks and they definitely aren't doing more than looking at you out of the corner of their eye. Find one who looks kind of cute, in that "puppy dog who needs to be rescued" sort of way. Take your drink from the bar and approach him. Sit down with him. I can almost guarantee that you won't have to buy a drink the rest of the night, you might find some decent conversation about something other than your astological sign or your bra size, and IF you decide you want to go home with him at the end of the night, I'm sure he'll be ecstatic about it. If not, he won't call you a ***** either. If you ladies would take the initiative to give the Nice Guy a chance once in a while, you might find you don't have to deal with the meat market all the time. Oh, and a nice pair of jeans and a satin blouse look just as nice on you to that guy as the $150 cocktail dressdoes.

You'll notice that I don't go to bars to pick up men, as I mentioned. That was a hypothetical example, but accurate as to what goes into that "buying women drinks" example that was offered from the woman's side of things.

Personally, I found my husband - and most of my boyfriends, too - at game stores.

Oh, for the record, a "nice pair of jeans and a blouse" would cost more than most of my club dresses. I do have those sorts of outfits for evenings out, too.

 

[Cecilie1200]

[...]Why is there nowhere/no one that is willing to discuss decriminalizing this practice. I search far and wide, I try Google, I look for phone numbers. No one is discussing this massive topic.

[...]

The primary causes of this particular reticence are most men are reluctant to admit that they approve of paying a woman for sex and most women strongly disapprove of prostitution because it presents them with readily available competition. There also is the fact that the U.S. is one of the most sexually repressed nations in the developed world.

Oh, yeah, THAT'S my objection to prostitution: I feel threatened by women who have nothing to market except their coochies.

As far as any chance of getting it legalized or at least decriminalized, be advised that politicians are acutely aware such a proposal would automatically cost them the womens' vote and make them the target of derogatory accusations from an army of pious, hypocritical masturbators.

If you are really this clueless as to why people object to legalized prostitution, there's not a chance in hell you would understand even if I DID explain it to you.