When atheists invoke Christ's teachings to promote policy...

[Ravi]

...I just have to laugh.

yep, in one breath they hate jesus in the next they try to use his name. fact is, their use of his name is only further evidence of their hatred for him since they do whatever they can to misrepresent him and malign him with their kooky concocted lables and never once do they rever him for who he is.

Ravi's thread did NOT misrepresent Jesus?

It is YOU who is misrepresenting Ravi's thread (and Jesus imo)? Why?

Why is it necessary for you to misrepresent or lie, if you are the ONE, the Christian we are suppose to model ourselves after...you know, as you said in other threads to other people, repent or go to hell...which implies that you think your crap doesn't stink but everyone elses does?

You certainly are NOTHING like Christ....why should any of us even pay attention to what you say about it? You have too much hatred to be anything near Christ like...if anything YOU push people AWAY from Christ by your representation of him as a Christian?

Am I being harsh...? YES.... I am....but mainly because you are hurting Christianity by acting as though you are holier than thou, sinless, throwing around your snide insults towards others you don't even know like Toro ...i think it was earlier and Ravi now, and act as though you are the right and just one just because you believeeeeeeeeee in jesussssssss...

well hogwash, that is NOT what Jesus taught, and you have upset me a few times tonight with this kind of air or attitude, and since we live in America...ya got the brunt end of my "free speech" for it! And yes, a neg rep too...which i tried to pull back from you and take the neg rep back, but it was too late to edit by the time my remorse on that set in.

Please, just please....when you are going to act like a nimrod, don't go plastering Jesus's poster all over yourself...HE DOES NOT DESERVE such.


Care

Methinks Care would make an awesome avenging angel.

 

[AllieBaba]

...I just have to laugh.

yep, in one breath they hate jesus in the next they try to use his name. fact is, their use of his name is only further evidence of their hatred for him since they do whatever they can to misrepresent him and malign him with their kooky concocted lables and never once do they rever him for who he is.

Ravi's thread did NOT misrepresent Jesus?

It is YOU who is misrepresenting Ravi's thread (and Jesus imo)? Why?

Why is it necessary for you to misrepresent or lie, if you are the ONE, the Christian we are suppose to model ourselves after...you know, as you said in other threads to other people, repent or go to hell...which implies that you think your crap doesn't stink but everyone elses does?

You certainly are NOTHING like Christ....why should any of us even pay attention to what you say about it? You have too much hatred to be anything near Christ like...if anything YOU push people AWAY from Christ by your representation of him as a Christian?

Am I being harsh...? YES.... I am....but mainly because you are hurting Christianity by acting as though you are holier than thou, sinless, throwing around your snide insults towards others you don't even know like Toro ...i think it was earlier and Ravi now, and act as though you are the right and just one just because you believeeeeeeeeee in jesussssssss...

well hogwash, that is NOT what Jesus taught, and you have upset me a few times tonight with this kind of air or attitude, and since we live in America...ya got the brunt end of my "free speech" for it! And yes, a neg rep too...which i tried to pull back from you and take the neg rep back, but it was too late to edit by the time my remorse on that set in.

Please, just please....when you are going to act like a nimrod, don't go plastering Jesus's poster all over yourself...HE DOES NOT DESERVE such.


Care

Cast out the beam, Care, cast out the beam. You are far too quick to criticize those who testify to their love of Christ and far too quick to apologize to those who despise and ridicule him.

 

[AllieBaba]

yep, in one breath they hate jesus in the next they try to use his name. fact is, their use of his name is only further evidence of their hatred for him since they do whatever they can to misrepresent him and malign him with their kooky concocted lables and never once do they rever him for who he is.

Ravi's thread did NOT misrepresent Jesus?

It is YOU who is misrepresenting Ravi's thread (and Jesus imo)? Why?

Why is it necessary for you to misrepresent or lie, if you are the ONE, the Christian we are suppose to model ourselves after...you know, as you said in other threads to other people, repent or go to hell...which implies that you think your crap doesn't stink but everyone elses does?

You certainly are NOTHING like Christ....why should any of us even pay attention to what you say about it? You have too much hatred to be anything near Christ like...if anything YOU push people AWAY from Christ by your representation of him as a Christian?

Am I being harsh...? YES.... I am....but mainly because you are hurting Christianity by acting as though you are holier than thou, sinless, throwing around your snide insults towards others you don't even know like Toro ...i think it was earlier and Ravi now, and act as though you are the right and just one just because you believeeeeeeeeee in jesussssssss...

well hogwash, that is NOT what Jesus taught, and you have upset me a few times tonight with this kind of air or attitude, and since we live in America...ya got the brunt end of my "free speech" for it! And yes, a neg rep too...which i tried to pull back from you and take the neg rep back, but it was too late to edit by the time my remorse on that set in.

Please, just please....when you are going to act like a nimrod, don't go plastering Jesus's poster all over yourself...HE DOES NOT DESERVE such.


Care

Methinks Care would make an awesome avenging angel.

Unfortunately, the only ones she ever attacks are Christians, so she wouldn't make much of one for our side.

 

[Intense]

I believe you are wrong on Ravi being an Atheist...she may not subscribe to the religious stance of others, but i have not ever seen her say that she was an atheist Mani, have you?

No, I'm a lapsed Catholic and a current agnostic. Unlike Mani, I don't believe that pretending to believe is the path to salvation.

And I seriously doubt Jesus has any complaints about my questions.

I don't think so either Ravi. He has a pretty thick skin.

 

[Care4all]

Ravi's thread did NOT misrepresent Jesus?

It is YOU who is misrepresenting Ravi's thread (and Jesus imo)? Why?

Why is it necessary for you to misrepresent or lie, if you are the ONE, the Christian we are suppose to model ourselves after...you know, as you said in other threads to other people, repent or go to hell...which implies that you think your crap doesn't stink but everyone elses does?

You certainly are NOTHING like Christ....why should any of us even pay attention to what you say about it? You have too much hatred to be anything near Christ like...if anything YOU push people AWAY from Christ by your representation of him as a Christian?

Am I being harsh...? YES.... I am....but mainly because you are hurting Christianity by acting as though you are holier than thou, sinless, throwing around your snide insults towards others you don't even know like Toro ...i think it was earlier and Ravi now, and act as though you are the right and just one just because you believeeeeeeeeee in jesussssssss...

well hogwash, that is NOT what Jesus taught, and you have upset me a few times tonight with this kind of air or attitude, and since we live in America...ya got the brunt end of my "free speech" for it! And yes, a neg rep too...which i tried to pull back from you and take the neg rep back, but it was too late to edit by the time my remorse on that set in.

Please, just please....when you are going to act like a nimrod, don't go plastering Jesus's poster all over yourself...HE DOES NOT DESERVE such.


Care

Methinks Care would make an awesome avenging angel.

Unfortunately, the only ones she ever attacks are Christians, so she wouldn't make much of one for our side.

so Christians have sides now allie?

i thought rebuking is a sign of love...no?

 

[AllieBaba]

When it comes down to Christians and non-believers, apparently you haven't read your bible, Care.

At any rate, I'll take a faulty Christian over a pretentious, Christian-bashing Christian any day of the week.

 

[RodISHI]

A little spirit of error goes around and the people bite one another over the Word. Sad but true.

 

[Care4all]

When it comes down to Christians and non-believers, apparently you haven't read your bible, Care.

At any rate, I'll take a faulty Christian over a pretentious, Christian-bashing Christian any day of the week.

ya think so, huh....? Lovely!

 

[ABikerSailor]

When it comes down to Christians and non-believers, apparently you haven't read your bible, Care.

At any rate, I'll take a faulty Christian over a pretentious, Christian-bashing Christian any day of the week.

Both are faulty Babbling Bitch, why is it that you choose flaws? What is wrong with trying to hold yourself up to the same ideals that Yeshua did?

Oh wait...........forgot...........you are judgmental and hate gays. Sorry.

 

[manifold]

 

[AmericanFirst]

After Christ arose from the grave and reappeared on Earth, one of his disciples, Thomas, didn't really believe it was Him. Thuse we have the term, "Doubting Thomas." Thomas did find out, however, but I'm not going to tell how. Open your Bibles to find out how he found the proof that he was in the presence of the Lord.

Scripture tells us there will be many deceivers who will come in the name of the Lord, but those of us with wisdom of God's word will be able to discern whether or not the true Christ is standing before us.

Tell me..if christ showed up today..a brown skinned bare foot socialist unemployed non english speaking jew with no proof of birth would you have him arrested or thrown out of the country?

No. Because it's most likely that The Christ will be dark eyed, and dark skinned. But I would also know through knowledge of Scripture whether or not the man before me was the Messiah.

True, because the Bible says he is coming back in Glory, not as a mere man, he already did that.

 

[Dragon]

True, because the Bible says he is coming back in Glory, not as a mere man, he already did that.

Actually, it says that when he comes, no one will notice.

For those who speak, above, about "ridiculing Jesus" -- we -- by which I mean non-Christians; I'm not an atheist but I am a non-Christian who has no problem quoting Jesus where he says some cool stuff --

er, where was I? Oh yes: we do not ridicule Jesus.

We ridicule you.

Please try to understand the difference.

 

[FA_Q2]

...I just have to laugh.

When Christians quote the bible to promote policy, I just have to laugh as well. Mostly because we are not in a theocracy so the bible and policy have nothing to do with one another.

Or better yet, what about all these evangelical leaders? Can you imagine any of them bowing down to someone who didn't look like a "Nordic God"?

If he doesn't have straight, light brown hair, blue eyes, and a western profile, it obviously CAN'T be Jesus.

Jesus is a Jew...he wouldn't fit the "Anglo" profile.

What on earth makes you ppl think the only Christians are WHITE? We aren't even the majority of Christians.

And why would you think we don't realize Jesus was a Jew?

Most likely because they are bigots and reflecting that on Christians is far easier than recognizing the hat within themselves....

 

[amrchaos]

...I just have to laugh.

Depends on how they are using it.

If there is a notion of philosophy behind the teaching--that is a philosophy on how to treat each other. Then there is nothing ironic here.


On the other hand, they are using notions of god, Divinity of Jesus, or the Holy ghost, then you are probably dealing with an agnostic or possibly a christian agnostic.


There are cases where atheist will use anothers religion to dissuade them from acting in a certain manner. In those cases, what is important is not what the atheist believes, but the person they are trying to influence believe. Basic Politics, actually.

 

[amrchaos]

...I just have to laugh.

When atheists invoke Christ's teachings to promote policy...


When christians invoke christ for the havok they wreck on this planet..I have to laugh.

Tell me..if christ showed up today..a brown skinned bare foot socialist unemployed non english speaking jew with no proof of birth would you have him arrested or thrown out of the country?

You guys know what's even worse? Some recovered Mormon alcoholic on a dry drunk using Yom Kippur (a Jewish holiday of fasting and prayer) to promote a Republican agenda.

DOES HE HAVE TO POLITICIZE YOM KIPPUR, TOO?.... Here's a quick tip for Glenn Beck: Judaism's high holy days are not part of your crazed political crusade.

This afternoon, Beck wrote a Twitter message that read, "Sept. 28. Lets make it a day of Fast and Prayer for the Republic. Spread the word.Let us walk in the founders steps." [Grammatical problems in the original]

Soon after, on his radio show, Beck added, "By the way, I just thought I would put this out there, and what you do with it is your own business. But, this weekend, I put out a tweet on Twitter that September 28th is the Day of Atonement for the Jewish faith, and I thought it would be a good day for all of us to fast and pray, you know. And I got this idea from Thomas Jefferson. After they put together the Continental Congress, the first thing they did was put together a day -- a national day of fast and prayer, and I thought the Day of Atonement would be a good day to do it."

Two angles to keep in mind here. First, Beck's understanding of history is incomplete -- Jefferson was a staunch opponent of proclamations related to days of prayer and fasting. Jefferson even wrote brilliant letters about why he objected to the practice. If Beck is going to use Jefferson as an inspiration, he should at least try to understand what Jefferson was all about.

Second, and more important, Yom Kippur should not be used as an excuse for Glenn Beck to push his nonsense. "Yom Kippur is a day of atonement, prayer and fasting," Media Matters' Ari Rabin-Havt said. "Glenn Beck's attempt to politicize this holiest of days with his far right agenda is not only disgusting, but shows a profound disrespect for the Jewish people."

The Washington Monthly

And, you're right.........if Yeshua (Jesus) showed up today wearing sandals and robes without any identification, preaching love for your fellow man, long hair and a beard, who hangs out with the dregs of society?

Yep........He'd be locked up quick.

When Beck says "For the Republic", I think he is talking about our nation, not the Republican party.

This is more for unity among the faiths than a republican agenda. From the little bit you added here, I can't see actual politicization here. Except in the fact that it is Glenn Beck promoting the idea. But Glenn Beck tends to talk about more than just politics, he has a bit of a religiousity in terms of his world view and even goes into topics of faith.

 

[manifold]

...I just have to laugh.

Depends on how they are using it.

If there is a notion of philosophy behind the teaching--that is a philosophy on how to treat each other. Then there is nothing ironic here.


On the other hand, they are using notions of god, Divinity of Jesus, or the Holy ghost, then you are probably dealing with an agnostic or possibly a christian agnostic.


There are cases where atheist will use anothers religion to dissuade them from acting in a certain manner. In those cases, what is important is not what the atheist believes, but the person they are trying to influence believe. Basic Politics, actually.

I started this thread some time ago, but IIRC, it was inspired by an atheist trying to claim that Jesus would support Obama's healthcare bill.

 

[amrchaos]

A lot of assumptions comes from all ends concerning, "What would Jesus do?" Or "would Jesus do that?" Simple solution read the book for those who do not believe and ask these type questions or those who claim to believe but are not sure. It's most likely that the answer is in there to whatever question there may be concerning what Jesus taught and what He stood for.

When He comes, He comes as a thief in the night. Meaning most will not know it or recognize who He is. Even so as most did not know Him or recognize Him when he was in Jerusalem two thousand years ago.

Someone recognized him or he wouldn't have ended up a pinup.

Actually, that little story about people not recognizing Him in Jerusalem is kinda twisted up and will mislead you..........

Yeshua (Jesus) heard about a Gentile (non Jew) who was being plagued by demons, so, He decided to go see if He could help. On the way out of the city, a fellow Jew looked at Him and recognized Him. Yeshua then told the man "shh......don't tell them it's Me", and left the city to go see the man afflicted with demons.

Upon arrival, Yeshua cast the demons out of the man and cast them into a herd of swine, which then ran off a cliff and died. When Yeshua left the man, He told him "tell everyone what God has done for you through Me".

Now, the point of this story is that Yeshua DID NOT COME FOR THE JEWS, HE CAME FOR THE GENTILES, which is why when the Jew saw Him, He told him to be quiet and tell no body, but, when He left the Gentile, He told him to tell everyone (all the non Jews) what God had done for the man via Yeshua.

Or maybe that is the result of bad compilation by the author(s) of said book(Matthew, am I right?) while they were researching stories about Jesus?

 

[amrchaos]

...I just have to laugh.

Depends on how they are using it.

If there is a notion of philosophy behind the teaching--that is a philosophy on how to treat each other. Then there is nothing ironic here.


On the other hand, they are using notions of god, Divinity of Jesus, or the Holy ghost, then you are probably dealing with an agnostic or possibly a christian agnostic.


There are cases where atheist will use anothers religion to dissuade them from acting in a certain manner. In those cases, what is important is not what the atheist believes, but the person they are trying to influence believe. Basic Politics, actually.

I started this thread some time ago, but IIRC, it was inspired by an atheist trying to claim that Jesus would support Obama's healthcare bill.

I doubt the Jesus I read would encourage such a method.

At the end of Mark, prayer is the answer