What's Happening With Britain And The US?

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    this is highly disturbing... what's going on here? what can we do to fix this?
    how much truth is there to this article?

     
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    Anyone see SNL the other night with President Bush and Tony Blair's press conference? haha that was good.

    as for whats going on between USA and the UK, i dont know. perhaps the socialist propaganda is starting to weaken their resolve.
     
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    i am sickened by this though, losing the brits is not something i want to stomach at this point. i do believe you are right about the socialists though.
     
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    Anti-Americanism is certainly nothing new in the UK; particularly from the British left. It pre-dates GW Bush by decades. Recent, however, is the almost universal disapproval shown for America in the UK media. This anti-American attitude is visceral and extends throughout Western Europe. The fall of the Soviet Union has unleashed an anti-American political and media whirlwind in socialist Western Europe. US protection is no longer necessary and anti-American attitudes now have free reign.

    Certainly some of these negative feelings stem from envy of the most successful nation in world history. An American nation that is not socialist. The US is a nation whose very success belies the European tendency to collectivism and manifest distain for the rights and aspirations of the individual. European anti-Americanism is often irrational: seventy percent of Nobel Prize winners are American, yet European intellectuals consider us stupid, uncultured “cowboys.”

    Beyond envy, there is fear. Europeans are afraid of an America that is so powerful it alone can do almost anything on the world stage. It does not matter that American power is largely benign. It is the overwhelming magnitude of American power that Europeans fear. The lack of any real political, economic, or military levers on American international behavior intensifies the fear of European impotency. This is why Europeans howl at the moon when America acts unilaterally. It makes no difference, for example, that Kyoto emissions have increased in Europe. What causes European fear is that America has the political and economic strength to ignore the protocol. Most of all, though, Europeans fear the “Americanization” of the planet. This attitude is especially prevalent in the French. American culture is a pervasive worldwide reality that makes Europeans fear that their cultures will drown in a Yankee sea of music, movies, software, clothes, and hamburgers.

    Hatred of the US also springs from 1000 years of European anti-Semitism. America is seen as the defender of the Israeli state. It makes no difference to the Europeans that Israel was created by the UN and that three of the five UNSC members were European. Germans, for example, want to believe that the cowboys have acted illegally by invading Iraq. It helps to relieve the socio-psychological pressure of their recent history.

    I could post any of hundreds of articles about European anti-Americanism. Here is one from the BBC, published in 2003:


     
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    you are speaking truth onedomino. painful truth though.

    at least there are wise men like lord robertson and jack straw (and tony blair) in key positions. let's just hope there are more like them out there, somewhere.
     
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    The EU, as led by France and Germany, is forming up as a state beligerent to US interests. This rift will widen as the EU assumes the role of the old Soviet Union in attempting to counter the US on a global scale.

    The UK is caught in the middle and must soon choose one side of the Atlantic or the other. The current political regime recognizes a greater alliance with the US while the populace more readily identifies with their local neighbors. I think that, as with any representative government, the will of the populace will ultimately prevail and the UK will adopt a government that is more like that of France/Germany.

    If that happens, it will signal a historic break in relations between the US and Europe. This was the principal point in Blair's address to the EU a couple of days ago.
     
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    we shall see what happens, let us hope the french and germans overplay their hand with the british public.
     
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    The EU will not stand a chance against America.

    Before I explain why, though, I must ask: Why do they want to fight us (militarily if they were able to, currently economically and politically)? We have not invaded or annexed any European country. We have not really done anything to provoke such hatred. I can think of only 2 things:

    1) Defeated the USSR, world beacon of Socialism.
    2) Defeating Iraq, source of sweet, albeit ILLEGAL, oil deals.

    The EU will never be able to compete with America, unless a Democrat is elected President. The socialist governments of France and Germany are teetering on the edge of collapse. France's economy is in shambles, and people take to the streets and riot at any sign of cutting their "benefits", which are bankrupting the country. Germany is experiencing symptoms such as the 1930's: low ecomomic power, high inflation, high unemployment, and the Neo-Nazi Party is making headways among the nations youth. For the EU to be run as these 2 nations...it will not work. If Britain wants to join them (as I think they eventually will) , it will be most unfortunate, but not a major blow to our country. Just one less proxy-ally. Look at it like this:

    American power is like a bodybuilder who has worked for all his life. He has made the right choices throughout. He has trained and practiced constantly.

    European power is like a guy using steroids to get strong. Temporarily, he will convey a sense of strength and power. Eventually in the near future he will become weak again, and sickly. He will be worse off than he was before.
     
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    It sort of reminds me about WWII, France is like Hitler protesting against the Jews. Except it's not really Jews, it's America. It's all good though I think we can do a good job on being a self-sustaining country.
     
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    wolvie20m makes a good point here. Numerous forces are driving EU policies. One of them is a history of anti-Semitism that goes back 1,000 years. America's support of Israel, as well as the prominent economic success and influence of some American jews, aligns with that ingrained anit-Semitism and is expressed as anti-Americanism. It doesn't explain all of the anti-American feelings, but it is one part of the explanation.
     

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