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Hmm, Japan and Hawaii on 'this continent'? It's been difficult to figure if US is actually or has been after 'empire' or is just after hegemony; however that it's long been 'involved' and to a real extent controlling of other nations is not something that began AFTER WWII.
Global trade, trade treaties made us even more vulnerable to our government's empire reach I think.....
Then all the big guys and corporations started lobbying congress more than ever before, to benefit themselves with the global trade and global banking.....then they did not need us Americans, anymore, to make them the wealthiest ever....they just needed Congress to pave the way... imo.
Care
So you are against 'global trade'?
no maybe about it, you are on the path to destruction! congratulations! you voted for it.
The path to destruction stopped on Jan 20 2009..thank goodness................
YouTube - 1951 General McArthur Big Parade in New York
This is such a telling video. Thousands of NY'ers pouring ticker tape all over famed General Douglas McArthur after his return from the Korean War in 1951. Today our military faces liberal, left wing protestors who spit at them and left-wing organizations like the ACLU and Human Rights Watch that think the people who go to war against a country should be tried for crimes against humanity.
Today, we punish the good, like Israel and the US and the military and honest taxpayers who have paid their mortgage on time, and we reward the bad like the Arab countries, people who skip out on their loan, the "Palestinians." If a four-star general returned home from war today, he would barely be recoginzed by anyone. Countries such as Iran and North Korea are threatening their neighbors and the United States is powerless to stop them. Why? Not because our military isn't the best and brightest in the world, but because no one cares anymore.
What's happened to us? As a society why do we reward the bad and punish the good? Do good and evil even exist in people's vocabularies anymore? What's happened to us? What's wrong with our society?
I suspect that after the war,, the "greatest generation" came home. mind you, we were just a few years past the great depression, but they didn't whine,, they rolled up their sleeves,, took mama outta the airplane and ship factories and put her back in the bedroom and made some babies, lots of babies and the men went back to work and to school,, and between 1945 and 1969 they put a man on the moon built the worlds best car, hamburger pizza pie, and moonpies too,, God we were good..65 years we've had of really quality living in the USA all built by determined people. so now,, here we are,, all these people are in their mid eighties and the democrwats mock them now as being useless and old irrelevant and "white" can't wait til they die( these olde people are the "hard choiches" the liberals are talking) about so they can register more illegal democrats.. These people's children are getting ready to retire in large large numbers,and these boomers have raised an entire generation of "me" people, give it to me,, I am entitled.. we are now in the golden age of marxism,, we take everthing you've ever worked for (don't believe me? look at the inheritence tax) and we give it to people who haven't worked for it.. they are too busy not working,at playing video games, buying 500 dollar sneakers..hanging out at the mall and and bla bla bla.. the America you once knew is gone, thanks in large part to liberalism and the ACLU..We seem to have handed away our liberty Kerry On!
We've ALWAYS had an inheritance tax....the greatest generation had an inheritance tax so NOTHING is NEW there EXCEPT this generation pays A LOT LESS in the inheritance tax NOW then they did during the greatest generation where the inheritance tax was much much much higher....so that part is just political posturing bs....willow
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Global trade, trade treaties made us even more vulnerable to our government's empire reach I think.....
Then all the big guys and corporations started lobbying congress more than ever before, to benefit themselves with the global trade and global banking.....then they did not need us Americans, anymore, to make them the wealthiest ever....they just needed Congress to pave the way... imo.
Care
So you are against 'global trade'?
well, I suppose my answer is yes...yes I am against the way these treaties have come out, to always FAVOR the other guy and our big corporations and banks, and not necessarily the American laborer or the American citizen as much as they could have if there were more of a level playing field and some itty bitty thought of the American people and their sound future, when negotiating them...
Care
I suspect that after the war,, the "greatest generation" came home. mind you, we were just a few years past the great depression, but they didn't whine,, they rolled up their sleeves,, took mama outta the airplane and ship factories and put her back in the bedroom and made some babies, lots of babies and the men went back to work and to school,, and between 1945 and 1969 they put a man on the moon built the worlds best car, hamburger pizza pie, and moonpies too,, God we were good..65 years we've had of really quality living in the USA all built by determined people. so now,, here we are,, all these people are in their mid eighties and the democrwats mock them now as being useless and old irrelevant and "white" can't wait til they die( these olde people are the "hard choiches" the liberals are talking) about so they can register more illegal democrats.. These people's children are getting ready to retire in large large numbers,and these boomers have raised an entire generation of "me" people, give it to me,, I am entitled.. we are now in the golden age of marxism,, we take everthing you've ever worked for (don't believe me? look at the inheritence tax) and we give it to people who haven't worked for it.. they are too busy not working,at playing video games, buying 500 dollar sneakers..hanging out at the mall and and bla bla bla.. the America you once knew is gone, thanks in large part to liberalism and the ACLU..We seem to have handed away our liberty Kerry On!
We've ALWAYS had an inheritance tax....the greatest generation had an inheritance tax so NOTHING is NEW there EXCEPT this generation pays A LOT LESS in the inheritance tax NOW then they did during the greatest generation where the inheritance tax was much much much higher....so that part is just political posturing bs....willow
care
nope! it's not political posturing bs.. care,, it's a fact,, an inheritance tax is theft,, don't care when or where it happens.. it is wealth that taxes have already been paid on,, and taxes are paid on the interest and capitals gains,, so for the gestapo to collect another 50% when you die is just plain old government thuggery.. now ask me why people hide their wealth from the government whydonchya???
So you are against 'global trade'?
well, I suppose my answer is yes...yes I am against the way these treaties have come out, to always FAVOR the other guy and our big corporations and banks, and not necessarily the American laborer or the American citizen as much as they could have if there were more of a level playing field and some itty bitty thought of the American people and their sound future, when negotiating them...
Care
Without getting into the minutia of economics and the charts, to think 'the worker' would have been better off without global trade is a bit naive. One can complain about 'distribution of wealth', but little argument can be made that trade made the average person wealthy beyond what the rest of the world has ever known.
No Care, I don't think 'it's simple.'well, I suppose my answer is yes...yes I am against the way these treaties have come out, to always FAVOR the other guy and our big corporations and banks, and not necessarily the American laborer or the American citizen as much as they could have if there were more of a level playing field and some itty bitty thought of the American people and their sound future, when negotiating them...
Care
Without getting into the minutia of economics and the charts, to think 'the worker' would have been better off without global trade is a bit naive. One can complain about 'distribution of wealth', but little argument can be made that trade made the average person wealthy beyond what the rest of the world has ever known.
ya think? I don't....
and as i said, the way they were negotiated, on fast tracks, with little thought to the future, could have been greatly improved.
Don't try to box me in Annie on you are "for'' trade or "against" trade...I don't think it is a SIMPLE as that....and I don't think you do either...?
Care
Then again, I didn't say or imply that it shouldn't be regulated in some manner. However I stand by what I did say, 'without global trade', whether in 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th, 20th, or 21st centuries, we would not have been the wealthy country we are.People stopped caring and forgot what liberty means and those who fought and still fight to ensure it
Why did they stop caring?
The 'family unit' was in pretty good shape throughout the first half of the 20th C., nearly all of which was non-agrarian economically. It was the family unit for the most part that saved individuals throughout the depression.People stopped caring and forgot what liberty means and those who fought and still fight to ensure it
Why did they stop caring?
selfishness instead of selflessness.... greed.....imo, lead to the waxed cold feelings of society today....the me, me, me, me verses the "what can I do for my country",
Plus the removal of the family unit, due to the falling apart of the family farm and the industrial revolution's expansion...spreading to cities and regions, that drew the kids away from the farm, with machines to take their place....this made people more dependent on strangers or the government, than "family" because families were split hundreds to thousands of miles apart.
No Care, I don't think 'it's simple.'Without getting into the minutia of economics and the charts, to think 'the worker' would have been better off without global trade is a bit naive. One can complain about 'distribution of wealth', but little argument can be made that trade made the average person wealthy beyond what the rest of the world has ever known.
ya think? I don't....
and as i said, the way they were negotiated, on fast tracks, with little thought to the future, could have been greatly improved.
Don't try to box me in Annie on you are "for'' trade or "against" trade...I don't think it is a SIMPLE as that....and I don't think you do either...?
Care
The 'family unit' was in pretty good shape throughout the first half of the 20th C., nearly all of which was non-agrarian economically. It was the family unit for the most part that saved individuals throughout the depression.Why did they stop caring?
selfishness instead of selflessness.... greed.....imo, lead to the waxed cold feelings of society today....the me, me, me, me verses the "what can I do for my country",
Plus the removal of the family unit, due to the falling apart of the family farm and the industrial revolution's expansion...spreading to cities and regions, that drew the kids away from the farm, with machines to take their place....this made people more dependent on strangers or the government, than "family" because families were split hundreds to thousands of miles apart.
However much I admire Jefferson, blaming the economic engine is unlikely as a source for good or evil.
As I said I believe in one of my first posts on this thread, the OP post was wrong in the premise that the American people no longer react the way they did in the past. WWII was the exception, not the norm.The 'family unit' was in pretty good shape throughout the first half of the 20th C., nearly all of which was non-agrarian economically. It was the family unit for the most part that saved individuals throughout the depression.selfishness instead of selflessness.... greed.....imo, lead to the waxed cold feelings of society today....the me, me, me, me verses the "what can I do for my country",
Plus the removal of the family unit, due to the falling apart of the family farm and the industrial revolution's expansion...spreading to cities and regions, that drew the kids away from the farm, with machines to take their place....this made people more dependent on strangers or the government, than "family" because families were split hundreds to thousands of miles apart.
However much I admire Jefferson, blaming the economic engine is unlikely as a source for good or evil.
you are right that it wasn't just one thing...but wrong imo to leave out all possibilities of being spokes in the wheel that rolled downwards....
What are some of your ideas Annie, on why people don't care and how we evolved to that point...?
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We've ALWAYS had an inheritance tax....the greatest generation had an inheritance tax so NOTHING is NEW there EXCEPT this generation pays A LOT LESS in the inheritance tax NOW then they did during the greatest generation where the inheritance tax was much much much higher....so that part is just political posturing bs....willow
care
nope! it's not political posturing bs.. care,, it's a fact,, an inheritance tax is theft,, don't care when or where it happens.. it is wealth that taxes have already been paid on,, and taxes are paid on the interest and capitals gains,, so for the gestapo to collect another 50% when you die is just plain old government thuggery.. now ask me why people hide their wealth from the government whydonchya???
no, it is not a tax on earnings that has already been taxed.it most certainly is,, if over my lifetime I've managed to earn 10 million dollars and stick it in the bank I've paid taxes on it,, I've paid taxes on the interest earned too, If I have a house worth 2 million dollars I've paid taxes when I bought it and I've paid taxes every single year thereafter,, I should after paying all these taxes be able to give my stuff that I have earned and already paid taxes on numerous times to my children without you government thugs asking for a 50% cut. ..we've had thread after thread on this....with the inheritance tax exemption of millions now, which covers what they would have already paid taxes on in their estates, the estate tax, covers the taxes on things that have NEVER BEEN TAXED before passing it on to the inheritors....real estate holdings that have tripled or 5 folded in value, and stocks in their own corporations that they founded which they have held on to since they went public that could have 20 folded in capital gains and worth....the GAO calculates that most millionaire/billionaires susceptible to the estate tax have these type of holdings that defer any taxes paid on their gains, until they are sold or in this case given, to someone else.
Now, that we;ve gotten that little issue out of the way....you havent't
You were the one that said or at least implied that the inheritance tax was one of the reasons we were worse off today in our thinking to help the needy with it, than we were at the time of the greatest generation, I simply was pointing out that the greatest generation had an even larger inheritance tax than we do today so THAT CAN'T BE IT...we don't need to help the needy by stealing money from people who earned it.. earn it yourself and give it to the needy but don't steal it.. and the inheritance tax is nothing more or less than theft. don't care how you parse it.
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What happens was we became the enemy in the eyes of the world and in the eyes of thinking rational Americans. We involved ourselves ourselves in Vietnam over a domino theory of fear and then lied about the corrupt South Vietnamese government. We engaged in clandestine illegal actions in too many nations where our sole interest was the status quo. We allowed and supported Israel as they created an apartheid nation and looked the other way as they took over lands that were not legally theirs. We invaded Iraq over fear and hubris, and created a media of lies. A genuine patriot today would weep over their nations actions in-spite of the good we too have accomplished. Power corrupts and power in the hands of small men corrupts completely. We place halos on our heads as all people do and we forget our treatment of the American Indian or the Blacks who we brought over and made slaves. He without sin......
Maybe what happened was we started to be honest, to see things as they are, and not how we dream or imagine them to be. Maybe we are on a path to reason, maybe....
Amazon.com: Citizens of the Empire: The Struggle to Claim Our Humanity: Robert Jensen: Books
Amazon.com: The Culture of Make Believe: Derrick Jensen: Books
Once Upon a Time...: Trapped in the Wrong Paradigm: Three Handy Rules
no maybe about it, you are on the path to destruction! congratulations! you voted for it.
The path to destruction stopped on Jan 20 2009..thank goodness................
YouTube - 1951 General McArthur Big Parade in New York
This is such a telling video. Thousands of NY'ers pouring ticker tape all over famed General Douglas McArthur after his return from the Korean War in 1951. Today our military faces liberal, left wing protestors who spit at them and left-wing organizations like the ACLU and Human Rights Watch that think the people who go to war against a country should be tried for crimes against humanity.
Today, we punish the good, like Israel and the US and the military and honest taxpayers who have paid their mortgage on time, and we reward the bad like the Arab countries, people who skip out on their loan, the "Palestinians." If a four-star general returned home from war today, he would barely be recoginzed by anyone. Countries such as Iran and North Korea are threatening their neighbors and the United States is powerless to stop them. Why? Not because our military isn't the best and brightest in the world, but because no one cares anymore.
What's happened to us? As a society why do we reward the bad and punish the good? Do good and evil even exist in people's vocabularies anymore? What's happened to us? What's wrong with our society?
What's happened to us?
Even though I think you are a stupid fuck...I will dare to offer a serious answer.
Television happened to us. Worse..canned laughter on television happened to us. The insidious degradation of the public intellect and moral compass in the name of selling over informing is what happened to us.
