rtwngAvngr
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dilloduck said:Do the bankers know they are being manipulated?
Probably.
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dilloduck said:Do the bankers know they are being manipulated?
rtwngAvngr said:Probably.
rtwngAvngr said:"Hi. I'm steve. I'll log back on and pretend I don't understand things. then I'll go away like a little beesnatch."
Steve757 said:Dude, go back to my original post. I had things on my mind that I thought would make interesting conversation. Would you care to point to something I wrote that denegrated someone else's point of view?
I truly didn't know the point that was being made above, so I asked for clarification.
As far as logging on and off, so what? I have a freakin' job, and this site is just one point of interest. I thought this looked like a cool place to have an intelligent exchange of thoughts.
"then I'll go away like a little beesnatch..." Give me a break. You can certainly do better than that.
GunnyL said:And WHO is the base of the party?
kgoodwin10 said:Before we get to the questions, What came first- chicken or the egg, constituents wanting influence on the agenda.
GunnyL said:My point EXACTLY. We, the people set the agenda. Except that we the people have allowed special interest groups to usurp our voice.
kgoodwin10 said:...but we the people are not a homogeneous constituency. Of course your going to have special interest involvement in any agenda. How else could you coalesce a constituency?
kgoodwin10 said:...but we the people are not a homogeneous constituency. Of course your going to have special interest involvement in any agenda. How else could you coalesce a constituency?
GunnyL said:You trying to argue apples and oranges now? We the people ARE the agenda, homogenous or not. If we were a homogenous constituency, one party would suffice.
"The agenda" as defined by however many agendas/values a party represents.
"special interests" as defined by the big $ that buys votes, rather than the common good driving the train.
The Democrats are just plain whacky. They represent anything screwy and wrong with this Nation.
I used to have faith in the Republicans, but they have disappointed me greatly in recent times. They've thrown out traditional conservative values and adpoted some of the policies (big government - big spending) that are what got the Dems booted.
I think NEITHER party truly represent the American people, or even their respective constituencies. They represent perpetuating the bureaucracy.
kgoodwin10 said:I couldn't agree more. I'm not sure I understand your definition of agenda or party, but I think I see what your saying.
But what do you mean "we the people Are the agenda?"
Steve757 said:Dude, go back to my original post. I had things on my mind that I thought would make interesting conversation. Would you care to point to something I wrote that denegrated someone else's point of view?
I truly didn't know the point that was being made above, so I asked for clarification.
As far as logging on and off, so what? I have a freakin' job, and this site is just one point of interest. I thought this looked like a cool place to have an intelligent exchange of thoughts.
"then I'll go away like a little beesnatch..." Give me a break. You can certainly do better than that.
Steve757 said:I don't buy into these conspiracy theories.
In my humble opinion, I think our government is pretty messed up, but I don't buy into the whole New World order kind of stuff.
Personally, I think our government is out of whack for several reasons.
1. Americans, by and large, are very lazy when it comes to politics. Few Americans will make an effort to research issues and candidates on their own. Which brings us to...
2. The new age of media. It wasn't until the mid 80's that talk radio became mainstream and a force in American politics. Rather than formulate opinions based on their own researched facts, Americans depend on talk show hosts to provide them with "hard hitting news and information." Most of this 'hard hitting news and information" is mere opinions, and can be classified as infomercials for the right wing agenda.
BUT... before you rag on me, and call me a liberal
3. Newspaper editorial writers tend to approach news stories, not from an unbiased standpoint, but rather with a hard slant to the left.
True facts and information are available to everyone, but few make an effort to find them. They'd put their trust blindly into others.
Steve757 said:Ha! I don't depend on video for much information so let's call that a draw.
As far as 2 & 3...I'm just trying to illustrate that this issue has infected members of both parties. Politics has become a sports event. In sports, people tend to route for the uniform--regardless of the players. In politics, people are routing for their party regardless of the issues.
Its late here. Does this make sense?
Steve757 said:I don't buy into these conspiracy theories.
In my humble opinion, I think our government is pretty messed up, but I don't buy into the whole New World order kind of stuff.
Personally, I think our government is out of whack for several reasons.
1. Americans, by and large, are very lazy when it comes to politics. Few Americans will make an effort to research issues and candidates on their own. Which brings us to...
2. The new age of media. It wasn't until the mid 80's that talk radio became mainstream and a force in American politics. Rather than formulate opinions based on their own researched facts, Americans depend on talk show hosts to provide them with "hard hitting news and information." Most of this 'hard hitting news and information" is mere opinions, and can be classified as infomercials for the right wing agenda.
BUT... before you rag on me, and call me a liberal
3. Newspaper editorial writers tend to approach news stories, not from an unbiased standpoint, but rather with a hard slant to the left.
True facts and information are available to everyone, but few make an effort to find them. They'd put their trust blindly into others.
Steve757 said:I don't buy into these conspiracy theories.
In my humble opinion, I think our government is pretty messed up, but I don't buy into the whole New World order kind of stuff.
Personally, I think our government is out of whack for several reasons.
1. Americans, by and large, are very lazy when it comes to politics. Few Americans will make an effort to research issues and candidates on their own. Which brings us to...
2. The new age of media. It wasn't until the mid 80's that talk radio became mainstream and a force in American politics. Rather than formulate opinions based on their own researched facts, Americans depend on talk show hosts to provide them with "hard hitting news and information." Most of this 'hard hitting news and information" is mere opinions, and can be classified as infomercials for the right wing agenda.
BUT... before you rag on me, and call me a liberal
3. Newspaper editorial writers tend to approach news stories, not from an unbiased standpoint, but rather with a hard slant to the left.
True facts and information are available to everyone, but few make an effort to find them. They'd put their trust blindly into others.