What's different between wanting Obama to fail & Obama wanting US to lose in Iraq?

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    When Limbaugh said " I Hope Obama Fails." in Jan 2009 the country gasped!
    Almost EVERYONE pounded Limbaugh! "How could you want the President to fail"?
    Was the common refrain.

    But I would like to know what the difference is between Limbaugh saying he wanted Obama to fail and this statement made by Obama when he was running for President:

    Senator Obama said campaigning for President after ONLY 2 years in the Senate:
    about our military ordering
    "troops are air-raiding villages and killing civilians,"
    Obama Gets Warning From Friendly Voter

    What is the difference between Limbaugh saying he want's Obama's agenda to fail and Obama as a CHEERLEADER using these words "air-raiding villages & Killing civilians"
    Words that would warm the heart of a Terrorist!
    Words that would RECRUIT more terrorists!
    Words that would JUSTIFY terrorists killing US troops!
    Words that would ENCOURAGE thug/barbarian terrorists to kill thousands of Iraqis!

    What is the difference???

    Well ONE difference is NOT ONE of you conservatives included have EVER once called Obama out on this MUCH less the MSM!
    NOT ONE of you conservatives seem to be outraged that such CHEERLEADING that has been proven by Harvard studies to have ENCOURAGED more violence and PROLONGED the Iraq liberation CAUSING more deaths and $600 billion more!
    AND NONE of you seem to see that words like these:
    Pure Partisan MUDSLINGING at it's worse!!!
    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid(D)
    "The war is lost, the surge is not accomplishing anything "
    Great for our troops moral and especially the terrorists!!!)

    U.S. Rep. John Murtha(D) "Our troops killed innocent civilians in cold blood,”
    Senator Kerry (D) "American soldiers going into the homes of Iraqis in the
    dead of night, terrorizing kids and children."
    Kerry called our troops "TERRORISTS"...
    I wouldn't be surprised if Bin Laden had said:
    "brothers .. even an evil American Senator calls his OWN soldiers "terrorists"!
    Allah be praised!
    This evil Senator is so right!
    Your killing US-baby-killing-troops is justified by Kerry!"

    YET many conservatives LET those cheerleading statements go unchallenged BUT raised great umbrage over Limbaugh's statement!
     
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    Wow I am so glad I quit drinking, I used to post drunken rants like that before I sobered up too.
     
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    I can not speak for anyone else, including Rush. However I have said I want the President to fail, and I know what I meant. It does not mean I want the US to fail, It means I want Obama to fail in Implementing his Agenda because I think it is bad for the Country. Just like Democrats I am sure, Hoped Bush would fail in implementing his Agenda.
     
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    Well that and your IQ probably had something to do with IT!

    Rather then correct the gross misperception by idiots who are pablum feed their information from the Obama/MSM propaganda machine you make a personal attack!
    Just like the puerile,sophomoric juveniles that generally make up Obama supporters your response illustrates why more people are disregarding your inane, irrational comments!

    Why not answer the question.. why are you so upset that more of us want Obama's agenda to fail BUT you aren't upset Obama's cheerleading killed US troops?
     
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    Upset? I am not upset about anything at the moment, I am too busy being amused at the guiness record holder for the world's biggest strawman. Phrase it in a less pointlessly angry way and maybe I will take you seriously.
     
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    The first is fact and the second is non sequitur Pubcrappe?
     
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    I believe I've pointed out at least three times now that your quotes are truncated and don't mean what you claim they do. I'd expand on that, but since I don't believe you ever replied to my earlier remarks on the subject I don't see much point.

    I also noted that the Harvard study (singular) you appear to be referencing emphatically did *not* indicate that any statements increased the overall number of insurgent attacks. At best they found a correlation between the timing of certain media reports and certain attacks.

    It's also absurd to suggest that conservatives haven't criticized Obama for these remarks. See, eg, Hannity's extended criticism (Barack Obama Caught on Tape Accusing U.S. Troops of 'Killing Civilians' | Fox News). There are plenty more such criticisms easily available.

    Your facts are wrong, and you don't seem to care.
     
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    non sequitur "It does not follow" in formal logic you say...

    Points of comparison:
    Rush wanted Obama Agenda to fail. Right?
    Obama wanted US to lose in Iraq. Right?

    So the logical point is WHAT is the difference between Rush wanting Obama failure
    and Obama wanting US to lose in Iraq?

    So where does "it not follow".. I asked WHAT is the difference between and I postulated the MSM and obama obsequious sycophants like you all bent out of shape about a failure of a socialist agenda BUT you have NO problem with Obama the Cheerleader who encouraged the terrorists by calling our soldiers civilian KILLERS!

    And you think evidently Rush was wrong and Obama the blessed one.. was right!
     
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    Because Republicans really want Obama to fail because they hate having a black president.

    Iraq was merely a lesson in "futility and bankruptcy" brought on by an ignorant right wing party led by greedy people who used them to make billions of dollars. Iraq was going to be a colossal failure no matter who finally pulled US troops out. If right wingers actually read some "real" history they would know. They don't even read their Bible. Only pretend to.
     
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    A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.

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    Correct the logic of your question if you want a serious answer from anyone, this crap just makes the rest of the conservatives look bad, and baby Jesus cry.
     

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