Whatever happened to "Republicans"???

[sealybobo]

I'm not a republican....Which puts me in a pretty good spot to make a dispassionate 3rd-person observation. The only person who is deluded is the one who believes that ANY of the "news" outlets (including Fakes News) call things down-the-middle.

A lot of people don't want socialist moonbats like Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich in on making laws either, but that's not going to stop the democratics from doing so anyways.

I think Bernie Sanders acknowledges he's a socialist, but why pick the furthest reaches of the left to represent democrats? That seems to be a tactic of the radical right, I'd say. As for socialism, I didn't hear an awful lot of complaints from the right when there was eight years of socialism for corporatists.... it must have been great... socialize the debt, privatize the profits.

I hope that saying is catching on Jillian!!! I've been saying it for 2 years now. So far, in the past 3 weeks I have seen 2 of you use it.

But you said it wrong. Its socialize the profits and privatize the profits.

Close enough. I love you, even though you don't believe my conspiracy theories.

 

[elvis]

Oh Burn!!!

Fuck you if you don't get it. I just remembered another time when the GOP were caught up in scandal and they tried to shift the blame on to Pelosi.

Mark Foley (R) was a pedophile. Instead of apologizing, the GOP tried to blame Pelosi or suggest she knew months before and did nothing.

When it was Dennis Hasterts job to keep his pedophiles in line.

Dems have to share blame on Iraq and the economy, even though the GOP ruled all three houses for 6 years. What a joke.

What have the GOP ever accepted blame for?

If you can't answer, then you are stupid. And you don't have to work on it. In fact, your reply is the kind of reply I get from little bitches who are mad but have no come back.

I'll take that to mean you were born stupid.

If that's all you have to say in response, I fucking schooled you bitch!!! Eat my shorts!!!

Mos Def is on the board.

 

[sealybobo]

I'll take that to mean you were born stupid.

If that's all you have to say in response, I fucking schooled you bitch!!! Eat my shorts!!!

Mos Def is on the board.

I thought I was doing Walter Matthau from Grumpy Old Men.

 

[elvis]

If that's all you have to say in response, I fucking schooled you bitch!!! Eat my shorts!!!

Mos Def is on the board.

I thought I was doing Walter Matthau from Grumpy Old Men.

Ann Margaret

 

[jreeves]

I like Pelosi, she never was good in interviews. Maybe she needs a teleprompter.

What she needs to do is resign her position and get off the anti-depressant meds.

Why, because a guy who has never liked her wants her to resign?

You guys don't run our party.

Much like a bunch of ultra tree huggers don't contol the GOP. You guys want to define the GOP even though in a generic Congressional poll the GOP has been polling above or very slightly behind the Dimocrats. The Dimocrats will hang themselves by spending 3.6 trillion, it is unsustainable and will crash the dollar. Our government has always worked best when Congress and the Presidency has power split between the two parties.

 

[Oddball]

I think Bernie Sanders acknowledges he's a socialist, but why pick the furthest reaches of the left to represent democrats? That seems to be a tactic of the radical right, I'd say. As for socialism, I didn't hear an awful lot of complaints from the right when there was eight years of socialism for corporatists.... it must have been great... socialize the debt, privatize the profits.

If you didn't hear any complaints, then it's clear that you either weren't listening or are deaf altogether.....And platitudinous little bumper sticker slogans do not a rational argument make.

There are scads of corporatists in the Democrat Party, making scads of loot off of their corporate hangers-on.

But I'm not the one here favoring the group of corporate fascists that I like, over the corporate fascists I don't like....Like some knuckle-dragger at a pro rasslin' match.

 

[Big Black Dog]

MaggieMae - Great topic for a post... Thanks! Can't say what happened to the Republician Party. It appears that Republicians shifted more to the left than I would have liked. I think McCain was just "Liberal-Lite" moreso than a good Republician candidate for President. Actually, I hate to vote when I feel like I'm trying to select the best, poor choice. Moreso than a big amount of support for Obama, I think most people who voted for him were actually firing the Republician Party. Maybe if the Republician Party can get it's act together we might get the show back on the road again. I just know I'm going to get bombed for this but I think Sarah Palin should run for President next time around. On the surface, right now, I don't see anyone better. I believe she could beat Obama. Actually, I think America is going to be so sick of Obama when the election comes around again that Mickey Mouse could run against him and win! OK, bring on the heat... I can take it.

 

[MaggieMae]

What happened is that they appeased, capitulated, and caved to the left for so long, that they became indistinguishable, for all practical purposes, from the left.

They ran exactly the kind of "moderate" presidential candidate all the leftists claim that republicans should run, and they still lost.

And I have yet to see any compelling sensory evidence, despite all the bluster from the left, that the GOP has shifted "hard right".

back in the early nineties when i was a registered Dem.....i asked myself that same question about the Democrats.....what happened to you guys?....dont recognize ya anymore.....so left them and became an INDY and started thinking for myself.....have never looked back and now cant stand either party....

Ironically, I basically did the same thing following Reagan's second term when I just couldn't vote for another Republican but there wasn't a Democrat I had much faith in either. I kind of coasted through Bill Clinton's first term, and then I finally (FINALLY!) started seeing some old-fashioned give and take by both parties in order to achieve solutions satisfactory to everyone. Even Gingrich and Clinton had their heads together on many occasions, away from the press. Not so today, and with the Party of No up against majority Democrats, the latter will play up the fact that they get no cooperation from the right, which only compounds the conservatives' bad image.

Contrary to Dude's opinion, and that of the rest of the "hard right," in order to keep the country on at least a common sense track, it takes a helluva lot of appeasement, capitulation and caving by both sides. Otherwise, we have either a dictatorship or gridlock.


appeased, capitulated, and caved

 

[oreo]

I was looking for a new poll I saw which indicates that only in the South do Republicans continue to attract potential voters based on their dramatic shift away from moderation. I can't find it, so this one will do. If the "new" Republicans (the reinvented conservative idealogues) intend to get their act together and start winning elections, they'd better hurry.

GOP Losses Span Nearly All Demographic Groups

]I think we have enough threads on this now? Funny but the OPT chooses to list the south--as most southerners are registered democrats but choose to vote conservatively. So they typically vote for Republicans, or blue dog democrats.

The problem with the Republican party is that republican politicians left the big tent of conservatisim. They instead voted like big spending democrats during the Bush administration.

Over 60% of Americans claim to be conservative--in their personal daily household & finance dealings. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out where the Republican party needs to be, or should I say where they need to get back too.

 

[jreeves]

What happened is that they appeased, capitulated, and caved to the left for so long, that they became indistinguishable, for all practical purposes, from the left.

They ran exactly the kind of "moderate" presidential candidate all the leftists claim that republicans should run, and they still lost.

And I have yet to see any compelling sensory evidence, despite all the bluster from the left, that the GOP has shifted "hard right".

back in the early nineties when i was a registered Dem.....i asked myself that same question about the Democrats.....what happened to you guys?....dont recognize ya anymore.....so left them and became an INDY and started thinking for myself.....have never looked back and now cant stand either party....

Ironically, I basically did the same thing following Reagan's second term when I just couldn't vote for another Republican but there wasn't a Democrat I had much faith in either. I kind of coasted through Bill Clinton's first term, and then I finally (FINALLY!) started seeing some old-fashioned give and take by both parties in order to achieve solutions satisfactory to everyone. Even Gingrich and Clinton had their heads together on many occasions, away from the press. Not so today, and with the Party of No up against majority Democrats, the latter will play up the fact that they get no cooperation from the right, which only compounds the conservatives' bad image.Contrary to Dude's opinion, and that of the rest of the "hard right," in order to keep the country on at least a common sense track, it takes a helluva lot of appeasement, capitulation and caving by both sides. Otherwise, we have either a dictatorship or gridlock.


appeased, capitulated, and caved

This is the Democrats boat and they will sink in it. Nobody is to blame but Dems, if the stimulus bill fails as it will fall squarely on Dems shoulders. How many Repubs voted for that atrocity and insult to common sense of a spending bill?

 

[MaggieMae]

Maggie, there never was a clear political republican party. Without getting fancy and a bit tongue in cheek, I offer up that what was the so called unified republican party was a hodgepodge of fundies, one issue voters, anti gay, racists, capitalists pigs, crooks and robbers, corporate crooks, anti union, anti humanism, pro prayer in school, militant nutcases, and libertarian children from money with no sense of reality. You still see the last on Redstate, DP, USMB etc. Given this assortment of wackos is it any wonder they did not govern nor lead nor do anything very well? This group still exists as evident everyday right here, but there for a while they got some moderates to buy into their party of NO.

Well...I'm still ever the optimist. I know plenty of decent compassionate Republicans who wouldn't fit into any of your categories. Admitedly, they're becoming a rare breed, however. But I would still like to see the 2-parties admit their mistakes and move on, like with a revised "Contract With America" which outlines a concensus of the best each party has to offer and start all over with that.

 

[oreo]

What happened is that they appeased, capitulated, and caved to the left for so long, that they became indistinguishable, for all practical purposes, from the left.

They ran exactly the kind of "moderate" presidential candidate all the leftists claim that republicans should run, and they still lost.

And I have yet to see any compelling sensory evidence, despite all the bluster from the left, that the GOP has shifted "hard right".

back in the early nineties when i was a registered Dem.....i asked myself that same question about the Democrats.....what happened to you guys?....dont recognize ya anymore.....so left them and became an INDY and started thinking for myself.....have never looked back and now cant stand either party....

Ironically, I basically did the same thing following Reagan's second term when I just couldn't vote for another Republican but there wasn't a Democrat I had much faith in either. I kind of coasted through Bill Clinton's first term, and then I finally (FINALLY!) started seeing some old-fashioned give and take by both parties in order to achieve solutions satisfactory to everyone. Even Gingrich and Clinton had their heads together on many occasions, away from the press. Not so today, and with the Party of No up against majority Democrats, the latter will play up the fact that they get no cooperation from the right, which only compounds the conservatives' bad image.

Contrary to Dude's opinion, and that of the rest of the "hard right," in order to keep the country on at least a common sense track, it takes a helluva lot of appeasement, capitulation and caving by both sides. Otherwise, we have either a dictatorship or gridlock.


appeased, capitulated, and caved

I disagree--like republicans did during the Bush years--so will democrats with a majority in congress. They get over exhuberant about spending & this time--it will be blamed solely on them. Massive deficit spending--much of it unnecessary--

The party who votes against this will be the winning party. Republicans who side with democrats on massive deficit spending will not be in their jobs for long. We are already seeing the "rumblings".

 

[sealybobo]

What she needs to do is resign her position and get off the anti-depressant meds.

Why, because a guy who has never liked her wants her to resign?

You guys don't run our party.

Much like a bunch of ultra tree huggers don't contol the GOP. You guys want to define the GOP even though in a generic Congressional poll the GOP has been polling above or very slightly behind the Dimocrats. The Dimocrats will hang themselves by spending 3.6 trillion, it is unsustainable and will crash the dollar. Our government has always worked best when Congress and the Presidency has power split between the two parties.

No offense Jreeves, but you are full of shit.

This reminds me of last year when you guys kept saying, "congress' approval ratings are below Bush's".

You wantted that to mean that people were unhappy with Pelosi/Reed.

But then no Dems lost their seats and how many Republicans lost?

Polls. I love how you use polls and out of the other side of your mouth don't give polls muich consideration.

Thats because your polls are for shit.

That's not opinion. Thats based on results.

Do you keep track of your polls to see how many are accurate? I think you are batting ZERO

 

[jreeves]

Maggie, there never was a clear political republican party. Without getting fancy and a bit tongue in cheek, I offer up that what was the so called unified republican party was a hodgepodge of fundies, one issue voters, anti gay, racists, capitalists pigs, crooks and robbers, corporate crooks, anti union, anti humanism, pro prayer in school, militant nutcases, and libertarian children from money with no sense of reality. You still see the last on Redstate, DP, USMB etc. Given this assortment of wackos is it any wonder they did not govern nor lead nor do anything very well? This group still exists as evident everyday right here, but there for a while they got some moderates to buy into their party of NO.

Well...I'm still ever the optimist. I know plenty of decent compassionate Republicans who wouldn't fit into any of your categories. Admitedly, they're becoming a rare breed, however. But I would still like to see the 2-parties admit their mistakes and move on, like with a revised "Contract With America" which outlines a concensus of the best each party has to offer and start all over with that.

Neither party will ever be based in common sense. Special interest controls both parties, the party representatives are puppets of their special interest groups.

 

[del]

Social Security

that's not a program for the poor.
try again, bozo.

Ha! Editec said SS too.

good, you can both be wrong together.

 

[jreeves]

Why, because a guy who has never liked her wants her to resign?

You guys don't run our party.

Much like a bunch of ultra tree huggers don't contol the GOP. You guys want to define the GOP even though in a generic Congressional poll the GOP has been polling above or very slightly behind the Dimocrats. The Dimocrats will hang themselves by spending 3.6 trillion, it is unsustainable and will crash the dollar. Our government has always worked best when Congress and the Presidency has power split between the two parties.

No offense Jreeves, but you are full of shit.

This reminds me of last year when you guys kept saying, "congress' approval ratings are below Bush's".

You wantted that to mean that people were unhappy with Pelosi/Reed.

But then no Dems lost their seats and how many Republicans lost?

Polls. I love how you use polls and out of the other side of your mouth don't give polls muich consideration.

Thats because your polls are for shit.

That's not opinion. Thats based on results.

Do you keep track of your polls to see how many are accurate? I think you are batting ZERO

You double speaking partisian asshole, this whole thread is based on polls....

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

Reagan Republicans were on the outside looking in right up through all of the 1970s. Was the strategy to look and sound more like Jimmy Carter, who presided over international and econonmic disasters much like those today, any more viable then than it is today?

 

[sealybobo]

back in the early nineties when i was a registered Dem.....i asked myself that same question about the Democrats.....what happened to you guys?....dont recognize ya anymore.....so left them and became an INDY and started thinking for myself.....have never looked back and now cant stand either party....

Ironically, I basically did the same thing following Reagan's second term when I just couldn't vote for another Republican but there wasn't a Democrat I had much faith in either. I kind of coasted through Bill Clinton's first term, and then I finally (FINALLY!) started seeing some old-fashioned give and take by both parties in order to achieve solutions satisfactory to everyone. Even Gingrich and Clinton had their heads together on many occasions, away from the press. Not so today, and with the Party of No up against majority Democrats, the latter will play up the fact that they get no cooperation from the right, which only compounds the conservatives' bad image.

Contrary to Dude's opinion, and that of the rest of the "hard right," in order to keep the country on at least a common sense track, it takes a helluva lot of appeasement, capitulation and caving by both sides. Otherwise, we have either a dictatorship or gridlock.


appeased, capitulated, and caved

I disagree--like republicans did during the Bush years--so will democrats with a majority in congress. They get over exhuberant about spending & this time--it will be blamed solely on them. Massive deficit spending--much of it unnecessary--

The party who votes against this will be the winning party. Republicans who side with democrats on massive deficit spending will not be in their jobs for long. We are already seeing the "rumblings".

Do you think the GOP would have lost if the economy was doing well?

The GOP didn't just lose because they spent too much. They also caused the crash with their policies and decisions. And they are sending jobs overseas.

If the Dems don't fix the economy so wages go up, that will be their downfall.

But all their spending goes to Americans inside America, so I doubt they'll be punished for that.

The GOP spent all our money on the top 1%.

We got no ROI.

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

I think the current iteration of Republicans got what they had coming to them, yes.

 

[Oddball]

good, you can both be wrong together.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to del again.