What?

[Old Rocks]

But democrats have to be as critical of Obama as they were of Bush. Democrats are no better at complete control of government than republicans were .. giving logic to McCain as president with a democratic congress.

But now that Obama has full control of government democrats become their own worst enemy.

Silence is failure .. and surrender.

If we start from here .. America is a plutocracy .. the picture of what is destroying us becomes clear.

In total agreement. We, as Democrats, must be the first with intelligent criticism of Obama's policies. And we must communicate that criticism, not only in places such as this board, but to our elected representatives. Failure to do this can lead to a failure of the incoming administration equal to that of the outgoing.

Recognition of the Oligarchy that America has become is one of the first things neccessary to correcting this situation. Obama was 100% correct when he said the money should be spread arround. Historically, every time we reach a point where we are today, with the gap between those that do the work that keeps the nation going, and those that recieve income from that work, wider than it has ever been, we have a major depression. Consumers cannot consume what they produce, if the major portion of the profit of their prodution is siphoned off by the already wealthy. And that is where we are today.

 

[Old Rocks]

Bullshit. especially the very last sentence.. Bullshit. I shudder to think that now you are in power.. bullshit. KOS KOOL-AID on sale cheap..

OK, Willow, what wonderful things have the Republicans achieved in the last eight years.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

In total agreement. We, as Democrats, must be the first with intelligent criticism of Obama's policies. And we must communicate that criticism, not only in places such as this board, but to our elected representatives. Failure to do this can lead to a failure of the incoming administration equal to that of the outgoing.

Recognition of the Oligarchy that America has become is one of the first things neccessary to correcting this situation. Obama was 100% correct when he said the money should be spread arround. Historically, every time we reach a point where we are today, with the gap between those that do the work that keeps the nation going, and those that recieve income from that work, wider than it has ever been, we have a major depression. Consumers cannot consume what they produce, if the major portion of the profit of their prodution is siphoned off by the already wealthy. And that is where we are today.

I absolutely could not agree with you more.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

It went right over me head! Merry Christmas BAC!

Merry Christmas brother Willow.

Peace and blessings to you and yours.

 

[Shadow]

The republicans problem is that they focused only on the right. They forgot about the independents and moderate democrates. Then they went what I called stupid or assume stupidity. They tried to get people to believe all the bull they were saying to the public switch from one to another. How can you be the party of morals when you have been one of the most immoral in a long time. Bypassing the constitution, torturing people, telling the media about spies working for us. Now if these are not immoral then i dont know what is losing your soul is not worth it is it.

Then how come the Dems and Indy's came out to the polls, but the Conservatives stayed home?

 

[garyd]

The problem blackascoal is that the problem did not begin in the last eight years. It began almost 35 years ago and has been slowly, through consistently bad policy on the part of a largely Democratically controlled congress, brought to the point where collapse of the housing market was no longer a matter of if but when with the final nail in the coffin being driven home by the Dromcrats refusal to continence reform of fannie and freddie in 2003, lest the Clinton cronies running them not get rich at the expense of us all.

 

[editec]

If we start from here .. America is a plutocracy .. the picture of what is destroying us becomes clear.

That bears repeating because far too many of these nitwits really do think the problem is either one of liberalism or conservatism

America is a plutocracy

 

[garyd]

And it is the Democrats by and large through their idiotic campaign finan laws that have largely made it so.

 

[Chris]

The problem blackascoal is that the problem did not begin in the last eight years. It began almost 35 years ago and has been slowly, through consistently bad policy on the part of a largely Democratically controlled congress, brought to the point where collapse of the housing market was no longer a matter of if but when with the final nail in the coffin being driven home by the Dromcrats refusal to continence reform of fannie and freddie in 2003, lest the Clinton cronies running them not get rich at the expense of us all.

Horseshit.

Phil Gramm snuck the derivative amendment into the spending bill on the day before Christmas recess, and Reagan and Bush are responsible for 90% of the National Debt.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Oh well, get used to it. We will be running things for a while. Really be hard to do worse than your hero, George orWell Bush.

ROFL... the hysterical part is that you're not bright enough to realize how screwed you are.

There's no MONEY TO DO A DAMN THING JACKASS! You're going to try... sure... that's what leftist do best... impotent trying is your THING. But to DO what you promised, there MUST BE ENORMOUS WEALTH BEING PRODUCED TO PAY FOR IT; and your POLICIES DISCOURAGE THE PRODUCTION OF WEALTH!

Thus the ONLY possible outcome is a decline in wealth; which due to your intellectual limitations, you'll increase wealth killing policy... until eventually you'll begin to riot and at that point Americans are going to end you.

And it can't happen fast enough as far as I'm concerned... So get on with the show sis... I'm WAY beyond ready.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Horseshit.

Phil Gramm snuck the derivative amendment into the spending bill on the day before Christmas recess, and Reagan and Bush are responsible for 90% of the National Debt.

There was no 'sneaking' of a derivative bill which prevented oversight by Gram or anyone else and the national debt is 100% a function of social spending... Now if you'd care to present an argument which would contest this I'll happily shove it down your rhetorical throat refuting it and you, word for word...

 

[Old Rocks]

The problem blackascoal is that the problem did not begin in the last eight years. It began almost 35 years ago and has been slowly, through consistently bad policy on the part of a largely Democratically controlled congress, brought to the point where collapse of the housing market was no longer a matter of if but when with the final nail in the coffin being driven home by the Dromcrats refusal to continence reform of fannie and freddie in 2003, lest the Clinton cronies running them not get rich at the expense of us all.

My, what a stupid ass you are. As the Republicans were the majority at that point, they could have passed the Hagel recomendations through without a single Democrat on that committee voting. It was the Administration Republicans that had Fannie Mae illegally funnel two million dollars to committees to fight Hagel and the other Republicans that were correctly assessing the mortgage situation.

There had just been a campagn on the administrations part to remove all those with Democratic affiliations from the management of Fanny Mea and Freddie Mac. So the Democrats sat on their hands on this vital issue. That was not in the interest of our nation, at all. Understandable, but wrong.

 

[Chris]

There was no 'sneaking' of a derivative bill which prevented oversight by Gram or anyone else and the national debt is 100% a function of social spending... Now if you'd care to present an argument which would contest this I'll happily shove it down your rhetorical throat refuting it and you, word for word...

Wrong.

The National Debt is a function of "Reaganomics" which reduced taxes for the wealthy while increasing military spending.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Wrong.

The National Debt is a function of "Reaganomics" which reduced taxes for the wealthy while increasing military spending.

ROFLMNAO... Yes yes... that vague boogey-man the left loves to trot out butis incapabel of actually defining... 'Reaganomics'...

Of course all President Reagain did was to cut some liability out of the market and rebuild the US military to a tenable threshold... He did however make one error which cost him plenty... he trusted the leftist congress to honor their promise to cut spending Dollar for Dollar for the increase in tax libility he agreed to in the omnibus budget of 84... But beyond that Reagan's treasury brought in more than it spent and more than doubled that of the subversive, economy killing fuck... one Jimma Cawta.

Of course had the conress cut spending dollar for dollar as it has pledged... the Reagan treasury would have realized massive surplusses which would have allowed for tax cuts in 86 and would have greatly reduced the correction in the 87 market. Had congress cut spending where national security required expenditures over the last 50 years... the US would not have a discernible national debt... of any kind.

AS STATED ABOVE... the national debt is a result of social policy which is entrenched int he US budget; mostly a result of "The Great Society' farce of LBJ and since it is law that such spending cannot NOT ONLY NOT BE CUT, but MUST INCREASE TO MATCH INFLATION... that policy ENSURED< THUS IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE US NATIONAL DEBT.

Now please, dumbass (thats you Chris), feel free to advance yet another mind blowing 'nuh uh' defense...

 

[Charles_Main]

Then how come the Dems and Indy's came out to the polls, but the Conservatives stayed home?

Maybe because the was no Conservative to vote for?

You had Left wing loon or Left wing loon lite.

 

[garyd]

1. How about giving me a source other than a fired Clinton sycophant

2. Exactly what does one do with a warning that something big is going to happen? Close all the airports for the rest of the year? Boot all the Arabs out of the country?

3.So you prefer the Clinton policy on Bin Laden which can be summed up by a one liner from the old Get Smart TV show "Missed him by that much."?

4.Oh the fact that we were already at war and actually shooting at Saddam again before Bush ever took office isn't sufficient justification?

5.Yeah right they were all for us right up until the time they found out we weren't going to apologize for having offended our attackers and try to do something about the attackers and a dysfunctional Middle east that has not only permitted such egregious behavior but has oft times aided and abetted it.

6.Agreed. Bush's faith in Rumsfeld proved to be entirely unfounded.

7.Agreed Bush huge increase in entitlement spending which dwarfs spending on the war by almost 5 to 1 is and will be a continuing disaster which the Democrats will almost certainly worsen.

8.yes those Democratic policies Bush was stuck with certainly brought the economy to a screeching halt and produced a mortgage industry collapse for much the same reasons that a change in tax policy produced the S&L break down in the 80S.

9.This is basically a rehash of 8 and further demonstrates the original authors total misunderstanding of the situation.