What would the 10 commandments look like if:

[LittleNipper]

Yes, in fact, I believe he said his name is jealous. You see that as a negative, but that's only because you don't understand it. He doesn't punish anyone. You don't understand that either. It's almost like you think God is up there pulling all these levers and strings. Sorry to burst your illusion, we're pretty much on our own.

Everyone pretty much worships something. We don't really have a choice. It is the compulsive nature of humans. After all we are still pretty much animals. The only choice we have in the matter is in choosing what we will worship.

Now back to an earlier point of mine, God didn't write the Bible. Men did. Quit blaming God for what man wrote. And try to understand what those men meant instead of jumping to ridiculous strawmen conclusions.

Well, if man wrote the Bible, we are in agreement

It is not a work of divine inspiration but an attempt by early, primitive men to lay a framework for an emerging religion. That is why there is such a wide differentiation of an angry God in the OT to a loving God in the NT

The difference between your take on it and my take on it is revelation. You've had revelations, right?

And no, it was not primitive man laying a groundwork for an emerging religion.

The Jews didn't see God as angry. Quite the opposite. So the error is yours.

A God that destroys all living things is an angry God. A God that kills innocent children to punish Pharoh is an angry God

Primitive man needed primitive religion. Be good or God will punish you. If you do not believe in the God I tell you, you will be punished

God didn't do that though. Again your error is in understanding what the text is saying.

Look, every living things dies. Why are you getting all twisted up over people who died in a flood when you could just as easily blame God for everyone dying.

Death is a part of life. You can't have one without the other. Stop blaming God for it. Are you seriously arguing that unless everything isn't perfect and we all live forever and God doesn't perform magic so your sorry ass doesn't have to suffer through life there can be no God?

Here's a novel approach, why don't you recognize the extremely rare and precious gift you have been given and be appreciative of it. For crying out loud, you have hit the cosmic lottery and don't even realize it.

Every creature on earth did not die of old age
They died horrifically in an ecological catastrophe

I am arguing that the God in the OT was not a loveable Guy

Everyone dies. That is the result of SIN! Would you rather have a swift kick in the pants or a slow lingering painful death? GOD was very merciful if one views the alternatives. The people who were at ground ZERO when the A-bombs detonated were gone in an instant --- did they have a chance to ask for forgiveness?

 

[LittleNipper]

I keep hearing liberals say how hateful and mean GOD is. They then turn around and seem very upset if one says that GOD paved the way so that even Hitler himself could enter into heaven IF he (Hitler) repented and asked Jesus to save him. Liberals only think they deserve heaven because they are better than everyone else and don't commit atrocities. They believe they don't need THE Commandments. They design their own to cover their own faults.

If Hitler is there......I don’t want to go

And that makes you what exactly? Are you any better? Since you scoff at GOD's judgments, are you in fact only imposing your own values and opinions as superior! I don't wish anyone to go to hell, and I'm not saying Hitler is presently in heaven. What I am saying is that GOD paved the way and it is no fault of HIS that anyone doesn't enter heaven. It is entirely their own choice.

Admit it

God did a crap job with his commandments. Just read the second and your jaw will drop and you will say WTF?

Your advocacy of Hitler in heaven seals it

Your pointing of the finger demonstrates an inferior belief that you are moral and GOD isn't. You point your finger and draw lines in the sand but GOD ---well He is immoral if HE does the selecting and the choosing.

GOD is the CREATOR and you and I are not. I believe GOD has been so much more than fair. And rightly so, men who would fabricate effigies and have the audacity to worship their own abilities as divine are fooling whom?

God gave us moral values that make us human

He does not lead by example

JESUS did and HE is GOD, or HE could not be considered the perfect sacrifice.

 

[Meriweather]

I look at covet as an incentive to work harder to obtain the things we want in lifeI covet a large house on the lake. I take a second job to be able to make the payments .....hardly a sin

That's not coveting. That is setting your own goals. Jabez had a prayer: Increase my territory. That was not coveting, either. Coveting is wanting what already is your neighbor's--not something like it. For example, King David could have desired a pretty wife like Uriah. But David wanted Bathsheba, so he sent Uriah into a battle where he would most certainly be killed so that David could take Uriah's wife.

Wanting a house like your neighbor's--no problem. Wanting your neighbor's house to the point you destroy your neighbor to obtain his house is the problem. So, no coveting nips such thoughts in the bud.

 

[rightwinger]

Well, if man wrote the Bible, we are in agreement

It is not a work of divine inspiration but an attempt by early, primitive men to lay a framework for an emerging religion. That is why there is such a wide differentiation of an angry God in the OT to a loving God in the NT

The difference between your take on it and my take on it is revelation. You've had revelations, right?

And no, it was not primitive man laying a groundwork for an emerging religion.

The Jews didn't see God as angry. Quite the opposite. So the error is yours.

A God that destroys all living things is an angry God. A God that kills innocent children to punish Pharoh is an angry God

Primitive man needed primitive religion. Be good or God will punish you. If you do not believe in the God I tell you, you will be punished

God didn't do that though. Again your error is in understanding what the text is saying.

Look, every living things dies. Why are you getting all twisted up over people who died in a flood when you could just as easily blame God for everyone dying.

Death is a part of life. You can't have one without the other. Stop blaming God for it. Are you seriously arguing that unless everything isn't perfect and we all live forever and God doesn't perform magic so your sorry ass doesn't have to suffer through life there can be no God?

Here's a novel approach, why don't you recognize the extremely rare and precious gift you have been given and be appreciative of it. For crying out loud, you have hit the cosmic lottery and don't even realize it.

Every creature on earth did not die of old age
They died horrifically in an ecological catastrophe

I am arguing that the God in the OT was not a loveable Guy

Everyone dies. That is the result of SIN! Would you rather have a swift kick in the pants or a slow lingering painful death? GOD was very merciful if one views the alternatives. The people who were at ground ZERO when the A-bombs detonated were gone in an instant --- did they have a chance to ask for forgiveness?

How merciful is drowning ?

How merciful is it to drown innocent babies, puppies and kittens?

 

[rightwinger]

I look at covet as an incentive to work harder to obtain the things we want in lifeI covet a large house on the lake. I take a second job to be able to make the payments .....hardly a sin

That's not coveting. That is setting your own goals. Jabez had a prayer: Increase my territory. That was not coveting, either. Coveting is wanting what already is your neighbor's--not something like it. For example, King David could have desired a pretty wife like Uriah. But David wanted Bathsheba, so he sent Uriah into a battle where he would most certainly be killed so that David could take Uriah's wife.

Wanting a house like your neighbor's--no problem. Wanting your neighbor's house to the point you destroy your neighbor to obtain his house is the problem. So, no coveting nips such thoughts in the bud.

OK....I covet my neighbors house
I save up my money and make an offer to buy it from him

I covet his wife
I hear they got a divorce and ask her for a date

 

[Meriweather]

OK....I covet my neighbors house
I save up my money and make an offer to buy it from him

I covet his wife
I hear they got a divorce and ask her for a date

Desire doesn't meet the Biblical definition of coveting, otherwise the commandment would state "desire" not covet. Saving up money for that house is fine. Divorce cancels out coveting the 'wife'. What we lose track of is that the Commandments are for us and our well-being. How much do you think a person might miss out on if he waits ten-twenty years for one woman who is wife to another? Of moving into his neighbor's house rather than building or finding one of his own? People can become miserable by coveting the exact item someone else has. It blinds them to what they might have if they were not so focused on wanting what is already in the possession of another.

 

[Taz]

Thou shalt own a gun.

 

[LittleNipper]

The difference between your take on it and my take on it is revelation. You've had revelations, right?

And no, it was not primitive man laying a groundwork for an emerging religion.

The Jews didn't see God as angry. Quite the opposite. So the error is yours.

A God that destroys all living things is an angry God. A God that kills innocent children to punish Pharoh is an angry God

Primitive man needed primitive religion. Be good or God will punish you. If you do not believe in the God I tell you, you will be punished

God didn't do that though. Again your error is in understanding what the text is saying.

Look, every living things dies. Why are you getting all twisted up over people who died in a flood when you could just as easily blame God for everyone dying.

Death is a part of life. You can't have one without the other. Stop blaming God for it. Are you seriously arguing that unless everything isn't perfect and we all live forever and God doesn't perform magic so your sorry ass doesn't have to suffer through life there can be no God?

Here's a novel approach, why don't you recognize the extremely rare and precious gift you have been given and be appreciative of it. For crying out loud, you have hit the cosmic lottery and don't even realize it.

Every creature on earth did not die of old age
They died horrifically in an ecological catastrophe

I am arguing that the God in the OT was not a loveable Guy

Everyone dies. That is the result of SIN! Would you rather have a swift kick in the pants or a slow lingering painful death? GOD was very merciful if one views the alternatives. The people who were at ground ZERO when the A-bombs detonated were gone in an instant --- did they have a chance to ask for forgiveness?

How merciful is drowning ?

How merciful is it to drown innocent babies, puppies and kittens?

And any babies wouldn't have turned out to be worse than their parents?
GOD wrote the book and created everything ---- who are you? What would be the point to condemn them to the very same choices as their parents. I believe any babies (if indeed any actually existed) would have gone to heaven. I enjoy dogs and cats but they are animals and not eternal as far as I can tell. They were created for us to enjoy, and there is no saying what pets existed prior to the Flood. In fact, the Flood may have been an turning point that brought some animals closer to man.

 

[rightwinger]

A God that destroys all living things is an angry God. A God that kills innocent children to punish Pharoh is an angry God

Primitive man needed primitive religion. Be good or God will punish you. If you do not believe in the God I tell you, you will be punished

God didn't do that though. Again your error is in understanding what the text is saying.

Look, every living things dies. Why are you getting all twisted up over people who died in a flood when you could just as easily blame God for everyone dying.

Death is a part of life. You can't have one without the other. Stop blaming God for it. Are you seriously arguing that unless everything isn't perfect and we all live forever and God doesn't perform magic so your sorry ass doesn't have to suffer through life there can be no God?

Here's a novel approach, why don't you recognize the extremely rare and precious gift you have been given and be appreciative of it. For crying out loud, you have hit the cosmic lottery and don't even realize it.

Every creature on earth did not die of old age
They died horrifically in an ecological catastrophe

I am arguing that the God in the OT was not a loveable Guy

Everyone dies. That is the result of SIN! Would you rather have a swift kick in the pants or a slow lingering painful death? GOD was very merciful if one views the alternatives. The people who were at ground ZERO when the A-bombs detonated were gone in an instant --- did they have a chance to ask for forgiveness?

How merciful is drowning ?

How merciful is it to drown innocent babies, puppies and kittens?

And any babies wouldn't have turned out to be worse than their parents?
GOD wrote the book and created everything ---- who are you? What would be the point to condemn them to the very same choices as their parents. I believe any babies (if indeed any actually existed) would have gone to heaven. I enjoy dogs and cats but they are animals and not eternal as far as I can tell. They were created for us to enjoy, and there is no saying what pets existed prior to the Flood. In fact, the Flood may have been an turning point that brought some animals closer to man.

It is obvious that man wrote the Bible

God would have done a better job

 

[saveliberty]

Probably better than the crappy ones God came up with

Thou shall not covet?
Give me a break

Coveting a big benefit of life for you?

 

[rightwinger]

Probably better than the crappy ones God came up with

Thou shall not covet?
Give me a break

Coveting a big benefit of life for you?

Slavery is a sin
Coveting not so much

 

[saveliberty]

Probably better than the crappy ones God came up with

Thou shall not covet?
Give me a break

Coveting a big benefit of life for you?

Slavery is a sin
Coveting not so much

Nice deflection there winged one.

 

[rightwinger]

Probably better than the crappy ones God came up with

Thou shall not covet?
Give me a break

Coveting a big benefit of life for you?

Slavery is a sin
Coveting not so much

Nice deflection there winged one.

God sucked at the Ten Commandments

 

[saveliberty]

God sucked at the Ten Commandments

No, you suck at life.

 

[rightwinger]

God sucked at the Ten Commandments

No, you suck at life.

God did not have one of his better days

 

[BreezeWood]

God sucked at the Ten Commandments

the originals, if they existed were destroyed no one knows how many or what they were. as nothing else has been written by the primary participants first hand it is doubtful any tablets etched in stone ever existed - any commandments not readily spoken are forgeries.

the religion of Antiquity is simple enough to be obeyed without the need for written commandments.

 

[LittleNipper]

Probably better than the crappy ones God came up with

Thou shall not covet?
Give me a break

Coveting a big benefit of life for you?

Slavery is a sin
Coveting not so much

Coveting is just one step away from stealing.

 

[LittleNipper]

God sucked at the Ten Commandments

the originals, if they existed were destroyed no one knows how many or what they were. as nothing else has been written by the primary participants first hand it is doubtful any tablets etched in stone ever existed - any commandments not readily spoken are forgeries.

the religion of Antiquity is simple enough to be obeyed without the need for written commandments.

Nonsense. Matthew 22:34-40 "34 But when the Pharisees heard that He had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together.35 Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying,36 Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?37 Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

 

[ding]

Yes, in fact, I believe he said his name is jealous. You see that as a negative, but that's only because you don't understand it. He doesn't punish anyone. You don't understand that either. It's almost like you think God is up there pulling all these levers and strings. Sorry to burst your illusion, we're pretty much on our own.

Everyone pretty much worships something. We don't really have a choice. It is the compulsive nature of humans. After all we are still pretty much animals. The only choice we have in the matter is in choosing what we will worship.

Now back to an earlier point of mine, God didn't write the Bible. Men did. Quit blaming God for what man wrote. And try to understand what those men meant instead of jumping to ridiculous strawmen conclusions.

Well, if man wrote the Bible, we are in agreement

It is not a work of divine inspiration but an attempt by early, primitive men to lay a framework for an emerging religion. That is why there is such a wide differentiation of an angry God in the OT to a loving God in the NT

The difference between your take on it and my take on it is revelation. You've had revelations, right?

And no, it was not primitive man laying a groundwork for an emerging religion.

The Jews didn't see God as angry. Quite the opposite. So the error is yours.

A God that destroys all living things is an angry God. A God that kills innocent children to punish Pharoh is an angry God

Primitive man needed primitive religion. Be good or God will punish you. If you do not believe in the God I tell you, you will be punished

God didn't do that though. Again your error is in understanding what the text is saying.

Look, every living things dies. Why are you getting all twisted up over people who died in a flood when you could just as easily blame God for everyone dying.

Death is a part of life. You can't have one without the other. Stop blaming God for it. Are you seriously arguing that unless everything isn't perfect and we all live forever and God doesn't perform magic so your sorry ass doesn't have to suffer through life there can be no God?

Here's a novel approach, why don't you recognize the extremely rare and precious gift you have been given and be appreciative of it. For crying out loud, you have hit the cosmic lottery and don't even realize it.

Every creature on earth did not die of old age
They died horrifically in an ecological catastrophe

I am arguing that the God in the OT was not a loveable Guy

Life is tough for people like you. If you don't like it, check out.

I happen to see life as the miraculous and precious gift it is; even with all the tests we face.

And if you want to ignore the overwhelming evidence for a Creator because you see life as horrible and pathetic, that's your call.

The Jews who wrote the OT saw God as loving and caring. So, I'm pretty sure the misunderstanding is yours.

Of course, since socialist have always tried to subordinate religion through deceit, I'm pretty sure it's not a misunderstanding.

 

[BreezeWood]

God sucked at the Ten Commandments

the originals, if they existed were destroyed no one knows how many or what they were. as nothing else has been written by the primary participants first hand it is doubtful any tablets etched in stone ever existed - any commandments not readily spoken are forgeries.

the religion of Antiquity is simple enough to be obeyed without the need for written commandments.

Nonsense. Matthew 22:34-40 "34 But when the Pharisees heard that He had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together.35 Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying,36 Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?37 Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

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Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."[/QUOTE]

there is proximity but no cigar - those are spoken commandments less the embellishments, the written 10 commandments are forgeries in they are written without reference and not spoken freely from the time.