What would it take for you to abandon your political party?

[Dr.Drock]

In other words what are the biggest issue(s) for you, that if your party went against your view you would draw the line and say no more, I'm out.


My dad is a hardcore republican, my grandpa was, so I pretty much automatically was born into it. I voted straight ticket republican when I was 18, my biggest principle is fiscal conservatism. They showed me from 2001-2007 that that was no longer a principle of the party so I was out. I'm now a libertarian-leaning independent.

How about you?

 

[Oddball]

It would take members of said party getting elected on a pretext that they're different, then acting like their supposed "opposition" when put into power.

That's why I dumped republicans back in '95.

 

[kaz]

In other words what are the biggest issue(s) for you, that if your party went against your view you would draw the line and say no more, I'm out.


My dad is a hardcore republican, my grandpa was, so I pretty much automatically was born into it. I voted straight ticket republican when I was 18, my biggest principle is fiscal conservatism. They showed me from 2001-2007 that that was no longer a principle of the party so I was out. I'm now a libertarian-leaning independent.

How about you?

I can tell you what it did take. George HW Bush. I left the Republican party in 1992 when he ran for re-election and was again nominated by the Republican Socialist Lite party. The Tea Party may bring me back, but that is still TBD.

 

[Dr.Drock]

In other words what are the biggest issue(s) for you, that if your party went against your view you would draw the line and say no more, I'm out.


My dad is a hardcore republican, my grandpa was, so I pretty much automatically was born into it. I voted straight ticket republican when I was 18, my biggest principle is fiscal conservatism. They showed me from 2001-2007 that that was no longer a principle of the party so I was out. I'm now a libertarian-leaning independent.

How about you?

I can tell you what it did take. George HW Bush. I left the Republican party in 1992 when he ran for re-election and was again nominated by the Republican Socialist Lite party. The Tea Party may bring me back, but that is still TBD.

What was it that he did? The tax hikes?

 

[Truthmatters]

for them to have a platform I didnt agree with

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

In other words what are the biggest issue(s) for you, that if your party went against your view you would draw the line and say no more, I'm out.


My dad is a hardcore republican, my grandpa was, so I pretty much automatically was born into it. I voted straight ticket republican when I was 18, my biggest principle is fiscal conservatism. They showed me from 2001-2007 that that was no longer a principle of the party so I was out. I'm now a libertarian-leaning independent.

How about you?

I voted for Clinton, term II even though I felt Dole was a man of vastly superior character. I felt Clinton over all was doing a good job, despite his obnoxious personal behavior.

 

[Dr.Drock]

for them to have a platform I didnt agree with

Explain the word platform for me a little better. Do you mean something they say they believe or do you mean legislation they put into office?

Do you agree with the platforms of continuing to grow the drug war? Keeping gitmo open? Not allowing gay marriage?

 

[Truthmatters]

I never vote one issue.

I vote for the party whos platform matches as closely to my beliefs as any other.


Its not the plaform that abandones its self its the individuals who may abondon the party platform.

Lets remember a single voter does not vote for EVERY memeber of their party.

The single voter votes for the seats and decides who is best to vote from from the available candidates.

Dont hold me responsible for what the NY senator votes for, I never had a choice to vote for him or her.


The tea party is actually making the republican party more honest.

The Republican have supported the same silly failed ideas that the TP are pushing them to march towards for decades , they often just voted for less of it as individuals over the years so they coudl get reeleted.

Now with all this Walker Palin style actions actually taking place it will be much easier to beat the republicans in 2012.

It bodes well for the country.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Good question; not an easy one to answer.

Since I've always had empathy for the underdog I have been a registered Democrat since I first voted in the presidential election in 1968. I have voted for the Democratic nominee in all presidential elections but for 1980. That year, knowing Carter was cooked, I voted for John Anderson (a Republican turned independent).

In my life I'm a fiscal conservative; I don't spend more than I earn and paid myself first (great advice I received early in my career) by saving 5% of my net income from every check. My wife and I don't carry credit card debt, we pay the bills in full each month. Of course when we needed a roof I borrowed the money; not to do so and risk great damage and greater costs down the road makes sense. This differentiates me from those who claim fiscal conservative values yet don't have the sense to realize the consequences of deferred maintenance.

I support policies which are pragmatic and provide the greatest good to the greatest number; a party which respects the rights of the individual, both those with power and those without; a party that administers laws fairly, balancing the needs of the many with the needs of the individual - not an easy task in even the best of times.

I support a party which is a competent and visionary steward of our environment, protects our air and water, promotes the sciences in the never ending quest for knowledge and recognizes the potential in every citizen notwithstanding their race, color, gender, creed or sexual orientation.

I support a party which is honest in its mission and able to offer citizens a clear, unambiguous course, understandable to most of the people all of the time; a party not afraid to admit mistakes and able to adjust course when events dictate, and always open to the vetting of new ideas in the public domain.

 

[California Girl]

I don't have a party, so I won't be leaving one.

 

[California Girl]

Good question; not an easy one to answer.

Since I've always had empathy for the underdog I have been a registered Democrat since I first voted in the presidential election in 1968. I have voted for the Democratic nominee in all presidential elections but for 1980. That year, knowing Carter was cooked, I voted for John Anderson (a Republican turned independent).

In my life I'm a fiscal conservative; I don't spend more than I earn and paid myself first (great advice I received early in my career) by saving 5% of my net income from every check. My wife and I don't carry credit card debt, we pay the bills in full each month. Of course when we needed a roof I borrowed the money; not to do so and risk great damage and greater costs down the road makes sense. This differentiates me from those who claim fiscal conservative values yet don't have the sense to realize the consequences of deferred maintenance.

I support policies which are pragmatic and provide the greatest good to the greatest number; a party which respects the rights of the individual, both those with power and those without; a party that administers laws fairly, balancing the needs of the many with the needs of the individual - not an easy task in even the best of times.

I support a party which is a competent and visionary steward of our environment, protects our air and water, promotes the sciences in the never ending quest for knowledge and recognizes the potential in every citizen notwithstanding their race, color, gender, creed or sexual orientation.

I support a party which is honest in its mission and able to offer citizens a clear, unambiguous course, understandable to most of the people all of the time; a party not afraid to admit mistakes and able to adjust course when events dictate, and always open to the vetting of new ideas in the public domain.

So, you don't vote Democrat? I am surprised.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I never vote one issue.

I vote for the party whos platform matches as closely to my beliefs as any other.


Its not the plaform that abandones its self its the individuals who may abondon the party platform.

Lets remember a single voter does not vote for EVERY memeber of their party.

The single voter votes for the seats and decides who is best to vote from from the available candidates.

Dont hold me responsible for what the NY senator votes for, I never had a choice to vote for him or her.


The tea party is actually making the republican party more honest.

The Republican have supported the same silly failed ideas that the TP are pushing them to march towards for decades , they often just voted for less of it as individuals over the years so they coudl get reeleted.

Now with all this Walker Palin style actions actually taking place it will be much easier to beat the republicans in 2012.

It bodes well for the country.

Yet you support Obama mindlessly. He has reneged on nearly every promise he made. As has the Democratic party from 2009 to 2011.

 

[Truthmatters]

Good question; not an easy one to answer.

Since I've always had empathy for the underdog I have been a registered Democrat since I first voted in the presidential election in 1968. I have voted for the Democratic nominee in all presidential elections but for 1980. That year, knowing Carter was cooked, I voted for John Anderson (a Republican turned independent).

In my life I'm a fiscal conservative; I don't spend more than I earn and paid myself first (great advice I received early in my career) by saving 5% of my net income from every check. My wife and I don't carry credit card debt, we pay the bills in full each month. Of course when we needed a roof I borrowed the money; not to do so and risk great damage and greater costs down the road makes sense. This differentiates me from those who claim fiscal conservative values yet don't have the sense to realize the consequences of deferred maintenance.

I support policies which are pragmatic and provide the greatest good to the greatest number; a party which respects the rights of the individual, both those with power and those without; a party that administers laws fairly, balancing the needs of the many with the needs of the individual - not an easy task in even the best of times.

I support a party which is a competent and visionary steward of our environment, protects our air and water, promotes the sciences in the never ending quest for knowledge and recognizes the potential in every citizen notwithstanding their race, color, gender, creed or sexual orientation.

I support a party which is honest in its mission and able to offer citizens a clear, unambiguous course, understandable to most of the people all of the time; a party not afraid to admit mistakes and able to adjust course when events dictate, and always open to the vetting of new ideas in the public domain.

damn we are like clones.

I could have said this all myself.

My one non dem vote was for Anderson.

I opporate my fiscal life just like your family.

I did not know you were male though, I for some reason thought you were a chick like me.

Oh well great post.

 

[kaz]

In other words what are the biggest issue(s) for you, that if your party went against your view you would draw the line and say no more, I'm out.


My dad is a hardcore republican, my grandpa was, so I pretty much automatically was born into it. I voted straight ticket republican when I was 18, my biggest principle is fiscal conservatism. They showed me from 2001-2007 that that was no longer a principle of the party so I was out. I'm now a libertarian-leaning independent.

How about you?

I can tell you what it did take. George HW Bush. I left the Republican party in 1992 when he ran for re-election and was again nominated by the Republican Socialist Lite party. The Tea Party may bring me back, but that is still TBD.

What was it that he did? The tax hikes?

1) Yes, the tax hikes and in combination he was clueless about it. He thought the read my lips anger was that he'd lied. It was that he raised taxes.

2) His failure to respond to legitimate questions. For example, the media reported that he lied about suspending high level diplomatic exchanges with China over Tienanmen Square and had a high level Diplomat on the way to China when he said it. Had he explained I'd have been inclined to believe him over the liberal media. But I was offended by his arrogance to feel no explanation was necessary. It was.

3) He said that cable wasn't a monopoly, but never explained what he was talking about and it clearly was.

4) The final straw was when after he had a 90% approval rating after the Gulf War and a Democratic controlled Congress who would have passed anything he asked for, something Reagan never had, rather then ram smaller government programs down their throats he decided he couldn't lose that large a lead in 1 1/2 years and did nothing. And obviously he was wrong that doing nothing for 1 1/2 years couldn't blow a lead with a 90% approval rating.

 

[California Girl]

Good question; not an easy one to answer.

Since I've always had empathy for the underdog I have been a registered Democrat since I first voted in the presidential election in 1968. I have voted for the Democratic nominee in all presidential elections but for 1980. That year, knowing Carter was cooked, I voted for John Anderson (a Republican turned independent).

In my life I'm a fiscal conservative; I don't spend more than I earn and paid myself first (great advice I received early in my career) by saving 5% of my net income from every check. My wife and I don't carry credit card debt, we pay the bills in full each month. Of course when we needed a roof I borrowed the money; not to do so and risk great damage and greater costs down the road makes sense. This differentiates me from those who claim fiscal conservative values yet don't have the sense to realize the consequences of deferred maintenance.

I support policies which are pragmatic and provide the greatest good to the greatest number; a party which respects the rights of the individual, both those with power and those without; a party that administers laws fairly, balancing the needs of the many with the needs of the individual - not an easy task in even the best of times.

I support a party which is a competent and visionary steward of our environment, protects our air and water, promotes the sciences in the never ending quest for knowledge and recognizes the potential in every citizen notwithstanding their race, color, gender, creed or sexual orientation.

I support a party which is honest in its mission and able to offer citizens a clear, unambiguous course, understandable to most of the people all of the time; a party not afraid to admit mistakes and able to adjust course when events dictate, and always open to the vetting of new ideas in the public domain.

damn we are like clones.

I could have said this all myself.

My one non dem vote was for Anderson.

I opporate my fiscal life just like your family.

I did not know you were male though, I for some reason thought you were a chick like me.

Oh well great post.

We know. But it's really funny that you've only just discovered that you're all borgs.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Truth, Wry, if both of you are against racking up credit card debt in principle, why is it ok that your party does the same thing in terms of racking up debt for future generations to have to pay?

 

[DiamondDave]

What would it take for you to abandon your political party?

Realizing that ones like Wrongwinger, Shit-tao, fail-o, and douger had joined it and actually agree with the party agenda

 

[Truthmatters]

Because your team messed up everything and we had to fix it Dr D

 

[Truthmatters]

Good question; not an easy one to answer.

Since I've always had empathy for the underdog I have been a registered Democrat since I first voted in the presidential election in 1968. I have voted for the Democratic nominee in all presidential elections but for 1980. That year, knowing Carter was cooked, I voted for John Anderson (a Republican turned independent).

In my life I'm a fiscal conservative; I don't spend more than I earn and paid myself first (great advice I received early in my career) by saving 5% of my net income from every check. My wife and I don't carry credit card debt, we pay the bills in full each month. Of course when we needed a roof I borrowed the money; not to do so and risk great damage and greater costs down the road makes sense. This differentiates me from those who claim fiscal conservative values yet don't have the sense to realize the consequences of deferred maintenance.

I support policies which are pragmatic and provide the greatest good to the greatest number; a party which respects the rights of the individual, both those with power and those without; a party that administers laws fairly, balancing the needs of the many with the needs of the individual - not an easy task in even the best of times.

I support a party which is a competent and visionary steward of our environment, protects our air and water, promotes the sciences in the never ending quest for knowledge and recognizes the potential in every citizen notwithstanding their race, color, gender, creed or sexual orientation.

I support a party which is honest in its mission and able to offer citizens a clear, unambiguous course, understandable to most of the people all of the time; a party not afraid to admit mistakes and able to adjust course when events dictate, and always open to the vetting of new ideas in the public domain.

damn we are like clones.

I could have said this all myself.

My one non dem vote was for Anderson.

I opporate my fiscal life just like your family.

I did not know you were male though, I for some reason thought you were a chick like me.

Oh well great post.

We know. But it's really funny that you've only just discovered that you're all borgs.

So that means you think people who are fiscally responsible in their own lives are mindless?

 

[peach174]

I didn't abandon the Dems, the Dems abandoned me ( they abandoned 1/3 of their party - the conservative Dems).
Now they did it to the moderate part of their party in the last two years, (another 1/3) That only leaves the libs in the party
Where are Moderate & Conservative Dems suppose to go?