What would have to charge before electric cars become economical?

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    What would have to charge before electric cars becomes economical? Firstly, the time to charge would have to decrease to within a few minutes...This is a good first step. Next would be the ability to go a few hundred miles(200-250) on that charge.

    Most importantly it would have to be affordable for most people. I'd say 15-25 thousand dollars.

    This would have to do the above. When do you think we will have it???
     
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    You answered your question in your title. They have to hold more charge.
     
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    200 miles per charge
    Recharge within minutes
    Under $25k
     
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    Or a quick and easy powerpak exchange system at all gas-n-go's.
     
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    Barring that, a battery that could hold a larger charge and is cheap, would enable plug in hybrids to achieve far beyond the mandated mileage of 2025. Even if it took four hours at night to charge them.
     
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    Good point. But when traveling over 200 miles, the 4 hour thing becomes an inconvenience. Most folks can't afford a second vehicle for puttering around.
     
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    Maybe the cost of charging and the economical availability of charging stations without taxpayer funding. The longevity of the typical batteries and the burden to both drivers and battery people of maintaining supplies not to mention the haz-mat problem of monster piles of gigantic batteries.
     
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    Batteries are recycled. I see ads in the paper for old batteries. They have worth.

    What currently has no worth, without your mentioned taxpayer funding, is everything else.
     
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    The point was that a plug in hybrid, like the C-Max Energi by Ford, with a 50 to 60 mile range on the battery, but a 600+ range as a hybrid, getting 47/47, would exceed the mandated standards for 2025 by a huge margin. Even if you had to plug in for four hours to recharge the batteries, it would not matter most days, as most of us in an urban setting put on fewer than 40 miles a day.
     
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    As plug in hybrids, you charging station is your garage. And you pay for it. Longevity of the batteries is not a problem. No more than the longevity of the present ICEs is a problem. As for your huge pile of batteries, apparently you are completely ignorant of the value of Nickel or Lithium. Even old lead batteries bring a good price at a recycling depot.
     

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