there is alot of debate of socialism vs capitalism, etc. bailing out the banks vs welfare for the poor, and such. im no economic genius but i do think that what cant be done in D.C. can be done by honest Americans willing to talk. i love fair but i also realize that life is not fair, the greedy will always be greedy, and the lazy will always be lazy. those who work hard deserve more but i dont think a 25 year old whos parents could send them to an ivy league school and just started working at his dads investment company works harder than a mechanic working 60+ hour work weeks and can barely pay his bills and put food on the table. on the other side a high school drop out dosnt deserve the same wage as an MD who worked hard and put their nose to the grindstone for ten years. so as you can see im on both sides here. so now to my idea. the mean income in america is 60k according to wiki, now that may be off by a lil but prob not too much. my first idea was just pay everyone a salary of 60k regardless of job. but once again not fair. and 18 yr old drop out working at a fast food chain should not make as much as an MD. then came idea 2. have everyone in the US be paid based on a pay grade just like in the military. (with some tweaks of course) for those of you who dont know how that system works ill explain. their are basically 2 pay grade tiers (technically 3 but we wont get into warrents here ;p) enlisted, and officers. those who just join the army after high school are the enlisted and those who get a 4 year degree would be the officers. after completing certain requirements in either tier you go up in pay grade, it takes about 5 years as an enlisted to earn the same pay amount as someone who just joined as an officer ( fair about the time of school, sometimes more sometimes less depending how hard you work...) so what if we implemented a system like this in civilian life? pros? cons? etc? i wanted to have this convo in a chat room but apparently those do not exist anymore ;p also so we keep this as open and honest as possible if you would be willing to state your political beliefs at the end ( it will more than likely be apparent by your responses). remember lets keep this clean and rational. good solid arguments either pro or against with something to back it up if you can not just "america will go to hell" or "this would fix everything" and ill start, i consider myself pretty middle ground i tend to see valid points on both sides but if i had to label myself i would say im liberal with conservative views.