What would happen if the US went to a pay grade system like in the military?

Discussion in 'Economy' started by DrPsyc, Dec 12, 2012.

  1. DrPsyc
    Offline

    DrPsyc Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2012
    Messages:
    2
    Thanks Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    1
    Ratings:
    +0
    there is alot of debate of socialism vs capitalism, etc. bailing out the banks vs welfare for the poor, and such. im no economic genius but i do think that what cant be done in D.C. can be done by honest Americans willing to talk. i love fair but i also realize that life is not fair, the greedy will always be greedy, and the lazy will always be lazy. those who work hard deserve more but i dont think a 25 year old whos parents could send them to an ivy league school and just started working at his dads investment company works harder than a mechanic working 60+ hour work weeks and can barely pay his bills and put food on the table. on the other side a high school drop out dosnt deserve the same wage as an MD who worked hard and put their nose to the grindstone for ten years. so as you can see im on both sides here.

    so now to my idea. the mean income in america is 60k according to wiki, now that may be off by a lil but prob not too much. my first idea was just pay everyone a salary of 60k regardless of job. but once again not fair. and 18 yr old drop out working at a fast food chain should not make as much as an MD. then came idea 2. have everyone in the US be paid based on a pay grade just like in the military. (with some tweaks of course) for those of you who dont know how that system works ill explain. their are basically 2 pay grade tiers (technically 3 but we wont get into warrents here ;p) enlisted, and officers. those who just join the army after high school are the enlisted and those who get a 4 year degree would be the officers. after completing certain requirements in either tier you go up in pay grade, it takes about 5 years as an enlisted to earn the same pay amount as someone who just joined as an officer ( fair about the time of school, sometimes more sometimes less depending how hard you work...)

    so what if we implemented a system like this in civilian life? pros? cons? etc? i wanted to have this convo in a chat room but apparently those do not exist anymore ;p

    also so we keep this as open and honest as possible if you would be willing to state your political beliefs at the end ( it will more than likely be apparent by your responses). remember lets keep this clean and rational. good solid arguments either pro or against with something to back it up if you can not just "america will go to hell" or "this would fix everything" and ill start, i consider myself pretty middle ground i tend to see valid points on both sides but if i had to label myself i would say im liberal with conservative views.
     
  2. Flanders
    Offline

    Flanders ARCHCONSERVATIVE

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2010
    Messages:
    6,548
    Thanks Received:
    632
    Trophy Points:
    175
    Ratings:
    +1,577
    To DrPsyc: I thought you might be interested in this:

    In four years time Hussein will give approximately 150,380 parasites a government job. Those people will go to a job every day instead of going to the welfare office to pick up their paychecks although the amount of work they do won’t increase to any noticeable degree. Those parasite jobs pay a helluva lot more than does a traditional welfare check, and they come with pensions, medical coverage, and benefits. That’s in addition to the four million government jobs (minimum) the Affordable Care Act will create.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJKGWEkkE7E&feature=player_detailpage]Pelosi: Obamacare Will Supply 400,000 Jobs Almost Immediately! - YouTube[/ame]​
     
  3. DrPsyc
    Offline

    DrPsyc Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2012
    Messages:
    2
    Thanks Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    1
    Ratings:
    +0
     
  4. Flanders
    Offline

    Flanders ARCHCONSERVATIVE

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2010
    Messages:
    6,548
    Thanks Received:
    632
    Trophy Points:
    175
    Ratings:
    +1,577
    To DrPsyc. You don’t get to bar “. . . some of the talk i don’t want here.” I respond as I see fit. State your case if you think I am off-topic.

    Clearly you are looking for talking points to support wage controls and, by extension, the welfare state and your view of fairness and equality; hence, my comments.
     
    Last edited: Dec 16, 2012
  5. Paulie
    Offline

    Paulie Platinum Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2007
    Messages:
    31,527
    Thanks Received:
    4,848
    Trophy Points:
    1,130
    Ratings:
    +15,358
    This might come as a shock to you buddy, but you're not "middle ground" :lol:
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  6. EdwardBaiamonte
    Offline

    EdwardBaiamonte Gold Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2011
    Messages:
    27,548
    Thanks Received:
    1,130
    Trophy Points:
    205
    Ratings:
    +3,047

    too stupid!!!! to get into an Ivy league school you have to be the smartest in the whole world plus you have to start preparing before kindergarten!!! It would not be the Ivy League if it did not have the highest standards in the world. Those standards require a super IQ at birth and very very hard work for a lifetime. That is what the best in the world requires at a minimum!!
     
  7. EdwardBaiamonte
    Offline

    EdwardBaiamonte Gold Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2011
    Messages:
    27,548
    Thanks Received:
    1,130
    Trophy Points:
    205
    Ratings:
    +3,047
    thankfully we are a free country and we don't have liberal Nazis
    with power to impliment such systems. Our system depends on freedom between a buyer and seller to make any deal they want.

    The huge advantage is that it is a very very precise system based on millions and millions of individual decisions, rather that a few liberal Nazi guesses in Washington.
     
  8. Mr Clean
    Offline

    Mr Clean Gold Member

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2009
    Messages:
    10,054
    Thanks Received:
    2,249
    Trophy Points:
    255
    Ratings:
    +3,824
    Or in lieu of that, have Dad build a new library on campus to help junior "make the grade".
     
  9. EdwardBaiamonte
    Offline

    EdwardBaiamonte Gold Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2011
    Messages:
    27,548
    Thanks Received:
    1,130
    Trophy Points:
    205
    Ratings:
    +3,047
    too stupid!! if they did not maintain the highest academic standards in the world they would no longer be the Ivy League.
     
  10. Mr Clean
    Offline

    Mr Clean Gold Member

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2009
    Messages:
    10,054
    Thanks Received:
    2,249
    Trophy Points:
    255
    Ratings:
    +3,824

    The only thing around here that's too stupid is you believing that that sort of thing never happens.
     

Share This Page