What would America be like if the anti-Abortion types win?

And you have proof that it was abortions that caused the drop in crime rates ? Correlation does not equal causation.

So if we follow that thread since the number of abortions are decreasing crime should be rising right?

Except, again, they aren't... surgical abortions were replaced by chemical abortions... We've been over this....

And European countries do not have less crimes than we do.

The UK has twice as many rapes and assaults as we do and 3 times as much total crime as the US

Um, no, they just record them differently than we do. The UK Prosecutes rapists, we put ours on the Supreme Court. You do get that when you put two guys who've been credibly accused of sexual misconduct on SCOTUS, it's not like you are creating a welcoming environment for victims, right?

You have no proof that morning after pills have reduced crime. You don't even know how many women use morning after pills

And do you care to prove that assertion?

How is the definition of rape in the UK different than the one in the US?
How is the definition of theft different?

Is the definition of murder different too?
 
All their screaming about "infanticide" aside, do you ever wonder what our country would look like if the Anti-Choice fanatics got their way.

Well, thanks to the modern miracles of actually understanding there is a rest of the world out there, we have a real life example.

The Philippines, former American Colony, has exactly the kind of anti-choice laws you guys want.

How's that working out.. Well, let's review.

Unintended Pregnancy and Unsafe Abortion in the Philippines

• The Philippines abortion law is among the strictest in the world. Abortion is illegal under all circumstances and there are no explicit exceptions. Nonetheless, because of high levels of unintended pregnancy, abortion is common in the country. Projections that were based on the national abortion rate in 2000 (the most recent available) and that took into account population increase estimated that 560,000 abortions occurred in 2008 and 610,000 abortions took place in 2012.[2,8,9]

• About 1,000 Filipino women die each year from abortion complications, which contributes to the nation’s high maternal mortality rate. Projections that were based on data from 2000 indicate that 100,000 women were hospitalized for abortion complications in 2012; countless others suffered complications that went untreated.[4,9]

• The stigma surrounding abortion makes it difficult for women to seek postabortion care. Some women report feeling shamed and intimidated by health care workers and in some cases, women are not given pain relievers or anesthetics or are denied treatment all together. Others report being threatened that they would be turned over to the police.[5,8]

Looking at monsters like Dr. Gosnell whom the state willfully turned a blind eye towards, I would say that back alley abortions are alive and well in this country that go unreported.

The issue is whether the unborn is human dingleberry.

And yes, we all know you don't give a damn.

That's right everyone, over 60 million murdered by abortion and not one tear of compassion passed by the lowly Progressive swamp creature.
 
Don't want a baby? DON'T GET FUCKED.

Problem solved dipshit.

Now, now, Leftists can't control themselves. They live by impulse like monkeys locked in a zoo.

Incidentally, NEVER take your children to see the monkeys in the zoo. You don't want to hear the question, "Daddy, what are the monkeys doing to each other?"
 
I was 1st trimester pro-choice until insane hacks like you made excuses for the ghouls, who are to this this day selling body parts from dismembered aborted fetuses....Now you butchers are carrying the water for infanticide.

Go take your scare story from an irrelevant non-analogous nation and stuff it up your ass.

How are the Phillipines non-Analogous. We practically developed their government and wrote their constitution.

I know a lot of Filipinos, they are the nicest people in the world. But their laws on this topic are goofy, and ones we shouldn't want to copy.
They have goofy laws? Like this law in the US?

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Yes, we all know you have more respect for the eagle than humans.

Hitler and the Nazis were like this as well as Hitler passed the stiffest penalties against animal cruelty in the world. He was also a vegetarian.

But you are a National socialist, so it would only seem right that you view the world much in the same way.
 
You have no proof that morning after pills have reduced crime. You don't even know how many women use morning after pills

And do you care to prove that assertion?

Nope. I've already told you, I don't waste time on links to wingnuts because you don't read them anyway... or if you do, you don't understand them because they have too many big words.

More American Women Are Opting for the Abortion Pill over Surgery

Although many limitations remain, innovative dispensing efforts in some states, restricted access to surgical abortions in others and greater awareness boosted medication abortions to 43% of pregnancy terminations at Planned Parenthood clinics, the nation’s single largest provider, in 2014, up from 35% in 2010, according to previously unreported figures from the nonprofit.

How is the definition of rape in the UK different than the one in the US?
How is the definition of theft different?

Dispelling The Myth

“Violent crime contains a wide range of offences, from minor assaults such as pushing and shoving that result in no physical harm through to serious incidents of wounding and murder. Around a half of violent incidents identified by both BCS and police statistics involve no injury to the victim.”

“Violent crime contains a wide range of offences, from minor assaults such as pushing and shoving that result in no physical harm through to serious incidents of wounding and murder. Around a half of violent incidents identified by both BCS and police statistics involve no injury to the victim.”

We can clearly see here there is quite a large difference in how both countries report and assess what qualifies as “violent crime”. The UK’s approach seems to be a lot more encompassing in scope and adds to its definition of “violent crime” offences which are not matched by its US counterpart. This raises the obvious question of whether UK violent crime rates can be said to be higher simply because things considered “violent crime” in the UK are not so in the US. One example is “assault”, all forms of which are considered “violent” in the UK, whereas in the US only “aggravated” is considered violent. A further example revolves around sexual offences, only “forcible” rape featuring in the US definition, while the UK definition includes rape and any and all forms of sexual assault.


Is the definition of murder different too?

Nope. That's one you can CLEARLY Define.

The British have 600 a year... we have 18,000 a year...

(Psst. Psst. It's because they allow women to have abortoins on the state dime and don't let people have guns!)
 
Looking at monsters like Dr. Gosnell whom the state willfully turned a blind eye towards, I would say that back alley abortions are alive and well in this country that go unreported.

The issue is whether the unborn is human dingleberry.

And yes, we all know you don't give a damn.

Hey, guy... you'll have people who suck at their jobs in ANY field... Gosnell was an aberration who existed because his customers were poor. So all Gosnell proved that it kind of sucks to be poor and non-white in America. Love to fix that problem, know it won't be fixed in my lifetime.

It doesn't matter if fetuses are people because at the end of the day, you can't give a fetus more rights than the woman it is inside... If she doesn't want to be pregnant, she'll find a way to not be pregnant.

Yes, we all know you have more respect for the eagle than humans.

did humans almost go completely extinct in the 1970's? Because that's what almost happened to Eagles. Then we passed some laws, some of which were good (like protecting their nests) and some goofy (like picking up an Eagle feather and keeping it is a crime.)

Do you know what we didn't pass? A law that demanded that Eagles sit on their nests. Because we realized we couldn't make an Eagle become a parent if it didn't want to.

Hitler and the Nazis were like this as well as Hitler passed the stiffest penalties against animal cruelty in the world. He was also a vegetarian.

If you want to go by that logic, Abortion was illegal in Nazi Germany, and Nazi Germany was the only country to actually EXECUTE abortion providers. (You know, like some of the new abortion laws in Jesusland are calling for.)
 
You have no proof that morning after pills have reduced crime. You don't even know how many women use morning after pills

And do you care to prove that assertion?

Nope. I've already told you, I don't waste time on links to wingnuts because you don't read them anyway... or if you do, you don't understand them because they have too many big words.

More American Women Are Opting for the Abortion Pill over Surgery

Although many limitations remain, innovative dispensing efforts in some states, restricted access to surgical abortions in others and greater awareness boosted medication abortions to 43% of pregnancy terminations at Planned Parenthood clinics, the nation’s single largest provider, in 2014, up from 35% in 2010, according to previously unreported figures from the nonprofit.

How is the definition of rape in the UK different than the one in the US?
How is the definition of theft different?

Dispelling The Myth

“Violent crime contains a wide range of offences, from minor assaults such as pushing and shoving that result in no physical harm through to serious incidents of wounding and murder. Around a half of violent incidents identified by both BCS and police statistics involve no injury to the victim.”

“Violent crime contains a wide range of offences, from minor assaults such as pushing and shoving that result in no physical harm through to serious incidents of wounding and murder. Around a half of violent incidents identified by both BCS and police statistics involve no injury to the victim.”

We can clearly see here there is quite a large difference in how both countries report and assess what qualifies as “violent crime”. The UK’s approach seems to be a lot more encompassing in scope and adds to its definition of “violent crime” offences which are not matched by its US counterpart. This raises the obvious question of whether UK violent crime rates can be said to be higher simply because things considered “violent crime” in the UK are not so in the US. One example is “assault”, all forms of which are considered “violent” in the UK, whereas in the US only “aggravated” is considered violent. A further example revolves around sexual offences, only “forcible” rape featuring in the US definition, while the UK definition includes rape and any and all forms of sexual assault.


Is the definition of murder different too?

Nope. That's one you can CLEARLY Define.

The British have 600 a year... we have 18,000 a year...

(Psst. Psst. It's because they allow women to have abortoins on the state dime and don't let people have guns!)

Yeah OK

You have yet to tell me ow many of those women who took a morning after pill were confirmed to be pregnant
And there is absolutely no data that indicates a causal relationship between abortion and crime rates

And we allow people to have abortions too or didn't you know that?
 
Looking at monsters like Dr. Gosnell whom the state willfully turned a blind eye towards, I would say that back alley abortions are alive and well in this country that go unreported.

The issue is whether the unborn is human dingleberry.

And yes, we all know you don't give a damn.

Hey, guy... you'll have people who suck at their jobs in ANY field... Gosnell was an aberration who existed because his customers were poor. So all Gosnell proved that it kind of sucks to be poor and non-white in America. Love to fix that problem, know it won't be fixed in my lifetime.

It doesn't matter if fetuses are people because at the end of the day, you can't give a fetus more rights than the woman it is inside... If she doesn't want to be pregnant, she'll find a way to not be pregnant.

Yes, we all know you have more respect for the eagle than humans.

did humans almost go completely extinct in the 1970's? Because that's what almost happened to Eagles. Then we passed some laws, some of which were good (like protecting their nests) and some goofy (like picking up an Eagle feather and keeping it is a crime.)

Do you know what we didn't pass? A law that demanded that Eagles sit on their nests. Because we realized we couldn't make an Eagle become a parent if it didn't want to.

Hitler and the Nazis were like this as well as Hitler passed the stiffest penalties against animal cruelty in the world. He was also a vegetarian.

If you want to go by that logic, Abortion was illegal in Nazi Germany, and Nazi Germany was the only country to actually EXECUTE abortion providers. (You know, like some of the new abortion laws in Jesusland are calling for.)

Gosnell was an aberration? The state raided his practice in the 1970's and found a myriad of health violations, but since abortion is such a political football Progressives within the state simply stopped the inspections instead of shutting him down because in the mind of a Progressive, any abortion is a good abortion.

The only reason he was investigated was because Gosnell got caught in the cross hairs of a FBI investigation regarding narcotics. Woman who reported abuses were ignored previously. Local law enforcement assisted the FBI regarding the narcotics issue and found the horrible health violations, with one woman dying from the poor care. Outraged, as any one with half a conscience would be, the local law enforcement pleaded with the FBI to investigate, but they only cared bout the narcotic issue and could have cared less about Gosnell otherwise. Then those within the local law enforcement decided to investigate Gosnell on their own, but were warned by the higher brass to tread carefully because it was an abortion doctor, and if they valued their career they would leave well enough alone. Undaunted, the persisted as the entire affair was finally made public. At the first trial, they were prepared to be mobbed by the press, but something interesting happened instead. Not one person from the press showed up to follow the story. For you see, pretty much the entire media was like the health department in that they were Progressives as well and saw any story giving an abortion clinic bad press was not worth pursuing because they valued abortion rights so much. Minority women were even singled out over white women by doctor Gosnell because he knew that he could get away with subpar care for minority women who were typically poorer, yet not one word from the NAACP. Isn't that amazing?

As a result of all this, I'm absolutely convinced that this problem extends much further, but we will never know. Thanks to the heroic efforts of a hand full of law enforcement who decided to risk their careers for the sake of justice Gosnell was put away.

Most here probably don't even know who Gosnell is, and that is the problem. America's #1 mass murderer and not a peep.

As for the eagles, you value protecting a species more than a human life. This is largely because you are an atheist and by default a Leftists because they are essentially one in the same. You don't value human beings made in the image of God, hence you would kill one human being to save an animal species. This is why Leftist/atheist dictators all over the world treat human beings as animals, they round them up and lock them up, use them as beasts of burden, or kill them on a whim because from their perspective human beings are just glorified animals. The bonus is, no hell to avoid when they die.

As for Nazi Germany banning abortions, only for German citizens. Even at that, they cared nothing for them other than using them for the purposes of the state. And I don't expect you to distinguish killing someone for murder vs. singling out innocent life for termination. After all, your moral compass was created and molded by National Socialists.
 
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Gosnell was an aberration? The state raided his practice in the 1970's and found a myriad of health violations, but since abortion is such a political football Progressives within the state simply stopped the inspections instead of shutting him down because in the mind of a Progressive, any abortion is a good abortion.

The only reason he was investigated was because Gosnell got caught in the cross hairs of a FBI investigation regarding narcotics. Woman who reported abuses were ignored previously.

Okay, I realize you put a lot of effort into that rant, but the reality is... the main reason why authorities didn't care about Gosnell is that he operated in a ghetto and treated poor black women. Even Gosnell realized this, which is why he provided a higher level of care to his white patients.

If anything, the authorities overreached to try to make an example out of an abortion doctor. They already had him DEAD TO RIGHTS on the drug charges and the woman he killed through negligent care. Instead, they charged him for 100 counts of murder for every pickled fetus they found on the premises. That got whittled down to 7 when it realized most of them were below the 24 week limit. (PA has goofy laws about late abortions). That got further whittled down to four and the jury only found him guilty of three. (One of which, he wasn't in the building, he only instructed an underling over the phone.) Every member of his staff was given a sweetheart deal to testify against him.

Then before his lawyer could appeal to someone who could actually read a law book, and realize fetuses still aren't people, no matter how much you wish otherwise, they gave him a sentencing deal that took the DP off the table and put him in a nicer prison. Since he was already an old man and going down for the drug charges, this was really a benefit. But they got to say, Abortion Bad... without addressing that when insurance and public aid don't cover reproductive health care, you are going to get people like Gosnell preying on the poor.

As for the eagles, you value protecting a species more than a human life. This is largely because you are an atheist and by default a Leftists because they are essentially one in the same. You don't value human beings made in the image of God, hence you would kill one human being to save an animal species. This is why Leftist/atheist dictators all over the world treat human beings as animals, they round them up and lock them up, use them as beasts of burden, or kill them on a whim because from their perspective human beings are just glorified animals. The bonus is, no hell to avoid when they die.

But that's the point. It is protecting a species. Once a species goes extinct, there is no bringing it back. People, on the other hand, are in no danger of going extinct, unless they overpopulate the planet and exhaust its resources. Yes, as an atheist, I realize that we have to MANAGE resources, because no magic fairy in the sky is going to fix things after we fuck them up.

As for Nazi Germany banning abortions, only for German citizens.

Not at all. The Germans also executed abortion doctors in occupied France who performed abortions on French women when the food started running out.

Even at that, they cared nothing for them other than using them for the purposes of the state. And I don't expect you to distinguish killing someone for murder vs. singling out innocent life for termination. After all, your moral compass was created and molded by National Socialists.

Quite the contrary, the Nazis killed abortion doctors for the same reason you guys want to ban it... the thought of women controlling their own bodies horrified them. German women were expected to make babies. Germany was the last country that employed women in the factories to free up more men for the front, unlike the Allies...
 
Yeah OK

You have yet to tell me ow many of those women who took a morning after pill were confirmed to be pregnant
And there is absolutely no data that indicates a causal relationship between abortion and crime rates

And we allow people to have abortions too or didn't you know that?

You wingnuts are trying your level best to change that. The fact is, access to surgical abortion has declined due to various lawfare strategies in the Red States.

Not to mention the constant attempt to defund PP.
 
So you're we're going to be overpopulated with poor kids who grow up to be criminals argument is utter bullshit.

Not at all. I'm sorry you didn't understand the argument. It's not just poor kids, it's UNWANTED kids. Kids who grow up with the burden that "you ruined my life you little bastard" because they were raised by people who didn't want them and had no capablity to raise them.

Every child a wanted child.

You seem to forget that my mother was 1/2 Black
This is the 7th or 8th time I've told you that. Are you sure you don't have a brain tumor or dementia

Um, no, I Just don't really believe a fucking thing you say...

But even if I did, the worst kind of racist is the self-loathing kind. This buys you nothing with me. The fact you are willing to throw in with the racists on every issue, whether it be gun control ("it's just the darkies shooting each other, so no problem') or abortion (Oh, my god, we aren't making enough babies to keep up with the darkies) says it all.
Every child a wanted child.

Hear hear!

Wanted by whom?

If a 5 year old child is unwanted, are you personally willing to kill that child?

Remember what spawned this, you Nazis with your 4th trimester abortions in New York and Virginia.



There is no such thing as a fourth trimester. The definition of the word trimester should be a clue to you but I as usual, you don't know the meaning of the words in the English language.

There are 3rd trimester abortions and the only way they can be done is if there's a very serious problem with the fetus or the woman's life is in jeopardy.

I bet you agree with trump and believe that a baby can be ripped from the woman's womb after birth. trump actually declared that at one of his rallies a couple weeks ago.

Third trimesters abortions are just at legal or illegal in New York and Virginia as they are in all the other states.

All New York and Virginia did was remove the requirement for multiple doctors to approve the care that's needed.

That's all that has changed.

When a couple is facing having to abort at that stage they are facing very serious medical problems with a pregnancy they wanted. It's cruel to force them to have to go to multiple doctors to get the care they need. On top of it driving up medical costs needlessly.
 
You can't lie your way out of this, Nazi Joe. Sanger promoted STERILIZATION of the "Negro Race," which you claim they welcomed.

You are one sick, SICK fuck, Nazi Joe.

Um, no, she didn't. I'm sorry you know so little about sex that you don't understand the difference between sterilization and contraception.

Then again, with you, your personality is probably enough to provide birth control.

"Give me some pussy, you commie bitch!"



You're replying to a person who thinks there's 4 trimesters in a pregnancy.

That should tell everyone a lot about that person.

For those who haven't caught on yet, The word trimester should give you a HUGE clue.
 

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