What would America be like if the anti-Abortion types win?

[my2¢]

If anti-abortion types win I believe America would look pretty much the same. I'd compare it to the non-effect of gun laws.

 

[JoeB131]

Convenient personal anecdote and worthless as evidence.

Some more facts for you to casually dismiss:

Nothing that comes from an anti-Choice religious nutter website can be considered a fact.

Most Women Who Have Abortions Don't Regret Them

Shit, I've known women who've had more than one...

Look at the new & improved Supreme Court.

Also consider:

The Hyde Amendment has kept POOR women from getting abortions.

Hmmmm... 2 million women weren't able to get abortions since fat hypocrite Henry Hyde (who I met once when I used to be a Republican).

US prison population balloons to 2 million... Hmmmmm....

Yes, I do think that the fuckups Trump is putting on the court might overturn Roe. Which will be the worst thing to happen to you religious nutters, ever. 40 million women who've had abortions won't like being branded murderers much.

Should it be legal to kill female unborn babies for the "crime" of being female? Yes or no?

There are no unborn babies. There are only fetuses.. and a fetus can be killed for any reason that woman and her doctor consider valid. Even ones you might not agree with.

You havent seen any slaughtered children unless you have perused photos of those aborted for convenience sake.

Oh, but I have. I got the whole Fetus Porn Experience growing up Catholic. They slammed us with Medical Waste pictures to get our young minds angry, but when our girlfriends got knocked up, off to the clinic they went.

 

[JoeB131]

If anti-abortion types win I believe America would look pretty much the same. I'd compare it to the non-effect of gun laws.

That's because we don't actually have gun laws.. not meaningful ones.

 

[Thunderbird]

Convenient personal anecdote and worthless as evidence.

Some more facts for you to casually dismiss:

Nothing that comes from an anti-Choice religious nutter website can be considered a fact.

Most Women Who Have Abortions Don't Regret Them

Shit, I've known women who've had more than one...

Only lies from pro-abortion atheist nutters.

Suicide and Abortion: One Country’s Experience | Project Rachel - HopeAfterAbortion.org

Look at the new & improved Supreme Court.

Also consider:

The Hyde Amendment has kept POOR women from getting abortions.

Hmmmm... 2 million women weren't able to get abortions since fat hypocrite Henry Hyde (who I met once when I used to be a Republican).

US prison population balloons to 2 million... Hmmmmm....

So your idea is kill millions of innocent minorities and poor folk because you are a bigot and feel they will inevitably become criminals.

Should it be legal to kill female unborn babies for the "crime" of being female? Yes or no?

There are no unborn babies. There are only fetuses.. and a fetus can be killed for any reason that woman and her doctor consider valid. Even ones you might not agree with.

So you want to kill tens of millions of helpless females for the "crime" of being female.

 

[JoeB131]

Only lies from pro-abortion atheist nutters.

Wow? Finland? Really? Yes, because women who have abortions couldn't possibly have other mental problems.

So your idea is kill millions of innocent minorities and poor folk because you are a bigot and feel they will inevitably become criminals.

No, they'll eventually become criminals because they won't have parents who loved them, they'll have parents who resented them. Legalized abortion was the greatest cause to the decline in crime that started in the 1990's...

So you want to kill tens of millions of helpless females for the "crime" of being female.

Fetuses aren't people, so they aren't being killed. They are being aborted.

 

[mikegriffith1]

The OP reminds me of the Jim Crow argument that emancipation had made Southern blacks worse off than they had been under slavery.

What the pro-abortion take on the Philippines' abortion law does not consider is (1) how many babies' lives have been saved because their mothers did not choose to break the law but gave birth to them, (2) how many couples that wanted to adopt have been able to do so thanks to the law, and (3) how many unwanted pregnancies have been avoided because women decided to be more careful because they did not want to break the law and did not want to risk trying to get an illegal abortion.

 

[JoeB131]

The OP reminds me of the Jim Crow argument that emancipation had made Southern blacks worse off than they had been under slavery.

Um, no, frankly, if that's what you see, you must be even more retarded than I thought. and I really think you are a high-functioning retard who doesn't realize they can't abort you after you've been born. So stop worrying, Corky, no one is going to do a retroactive abortion on you. .

What the pro-abortion take on the Philippines' abortion law does not consider is (1) how many babies' lives have been saved because their mothers did not choose to break the law but gave birth to them,

Actually, none. The women are having abortions at higher rates than they do in the US, largely because birth control is also illegal and they probably have more unwanted pregnancies.

(2) how many couples that wanted to adopt have been able to do so thanks to the law, and

Um, the Philippines are as poor as shit, nobody is waiting for babies. IN fact-

The Philippines has 1.8 million abandoned children. Here's what keeps many from adoption

The Philippines has an abandoned children problem. About 1.8 million children in the country, more than 1% of its entire population, are "abandoned or neglected," according to the United Nations' Children's Rights & Emergency Relief Organization. Some are victims of extreme poverty; others of natural disasters and armed conflicts in the country's riven south.

(3) how many unwanted pregnancies have been avoided because women decided to be more careful because they did not want to break the law and did not want to risk trying to get an illegal abortion.

Again, threatening women with harm to get their way isn't working.

1.8 million abandoned children and 800K illegal abortions every year...

What you guys propose has been tried, and IS FAILING MISERABLY.

Now, I've known a LOT of Filipinos in my life, and they are really awesome and wonderful people. But they are good example of when you make laws based on religious stupidity and not practical nature.

 

[Marion Morrison]

More populated. /thread.

 

[JoeB131]

More populated. /thread.

Not really. The birth rate didn't drop after Roe was passed, it wouldn't go up after abortion is outlawed in a few states. They'll just have illegal abortions again.

 

[Marion Morrison]

More populated. /thread.

Not really. The birth rate didn't drop after Roe was passed, it wouldn't go up after abortion is outlawed in a few states. They'll just have illegal abortions again.

Says you, and you're always wrong, so no.

 

[JoeB131]

Says you, and you're always wrong, so no.

No, actually says the Census Bureau.

Here, let me help you out, stupid.

Live Births and Birth Rates, by Year

This is the number of live births, every year, from 1972 to 1977. The year before Roe, the year of Roe, and the next three years.

1972 3,258,411 15.6
1973 3,136,965 14.9
1974 3,159,958 14.9
1975 3,144,198 14.8
1976 3,167,788 14.8
1977 3,326,632 15.4

It only dropped marginally.... and was back to what it was by 1977. In short, we didn't have a huge drop in the birth rate because abortion was legalized.

 

[McRocket]

More populated. /thread.

Not really. The birth rate didn't drop after Roe was passed, it wouldn't go up after abortion is outlawed in a few states. They'll just have illegal abortions again.

Says you, and you're always wrong, so no.

JoeB131 just made you look silly.

Free advice - when debating, don't guess about statistics. Look them up first - and you won't look silly later.

Have a nice day.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Says you, and you're always wrong, so no.

No, actually says the Census Bureau.

Here, let me help you out, stupid.

Live Births and Birth Rates, by Year

This is the number of live births, every year, from 1972 to 1977. The year before Roe, the year of Roe, and the next three years.

1972 3,258,411 15.6
1973 3,136,965 14.9
1974 3,159,958 14.9
1975 3,144,198 14.8
1976 3,167,788 14.8
1977 3,326,632 15.4

It only dropped marginally.... and was back to what it was by 1977. In short, we didn't have a huge drop in the birth rate because abortion was legalized.

Bullshit. It would have been higher without abortions. This is not rocket surgery, dumbass.

How exactly does killing babies make for a higher birth rate again?

 

[Rustic]

All their screaming about "infanticide" aside, do you ever wonder what our country would look like if the Anti-Choice fanatics got their way.

Well, thanks to the modern miracles of actually understanding there is a rest of the world out there, we have a real life example.

The Philippines, former American Colony, has exactly the kind of anti-choice laws you guys want.

How's that working out.. Well, let's review.

Unintended Pregnancy and Unsafe Abortion in the Philippines

• The Philippines abortion law is among the strictest in the world. Abortion is illegal under all circumstances and there are no explicit exceptions. Nonetheless, because of high levels of unintended pregnancy, abortion is common in the country. Projections that were based on the national abortion rate in 2000 (the most recent available) and that took into account population increase estimated that 560,000 abortions occurred in 2008 and 610,000 abortions took place in 2012.[2,8,9]

• About 1,000 Filipino women die each year from abortion complications, which contributes to the nation’s high maternal mortality rate. Projections that were based on data from 2000 indicate that 100,000 women were hospitalized for abortion complications in 2012; countless others suffered complications that went untreated.[4,9]

• The stigma surrounding abortion makes it difficult for women to seek postabortion care. Some women report feeling shamed and intimidated by health care workers and in some cases, women are not given pain relievers or anesthetics or are denied treatment all together. Others report being threatened that they would be turned over to the police.[5,8]

Lol
And more killing is the answer? Shut the fuck up

 

[Marion Morrison]

More populated. /thread.

Not really. The birth rate didn't drop after Roe was passed, it wouldn't go up after abortion is outlawed in a few states. They'll just have illegal abortions again.

Says you, and you're always wrong, so no.

JoeB131 just made you look silly.

Free advice - when debating, don't guess about statistics. Look it up first - and you won't look silly later.

Have a nice day.

No, smoke and mirrors. I will hazard a guess you haven't been taught to think critically.

What JoeB131 is claiming is a non-starter just using simple logic. He actually proved himself wrong as well.

Derp!

 

[Rustic]

Do you really think that there is a doctor who kills a perfectly healthy fetus at 8 months and 30 days for no good reason?.

Yes

Kermit Gosnell - Wikipedia

Okay, as long as you want to go there...

Gosnell worked in a state where they ban abortions after week 24. He got business because the reputable providers in his area refused to do later abortions.

But when they put him on trial, despite being a drug-dealing quack who killed and maimed his patients,and kept all the dead fetuses around in pickle jars, they were unable to get convictions on most of the charges related to fetus killing. They started out with 100 charges, got whittled down to 7 by the grand jury, judge threw out 3 more, and the jury refused to convict on one.

Then they had to cut him a sweetheart deal on sentencing to keep him from appealing the verdict.


From your article...

In total during the course of his career, 46 known lawsuits had been filed against Gosnell over some 32 years.[29] Observers claimed that there was a complete failure by Pennsylvania regulators who had overlooked other repeated concerns brought to their attention, including lack of trained staff, "barbaric" conditions, and a high level of illegal late-term abortions.[30]

if the authorities couldn't handle ONE bad provider, how are they going to handle thousands once the practice goes underground?

Lol
He was a normal abortion provider, out of sight out of mind to the progressives like yourself so shut the fuck up

 

[Rustic]

Why do you hate black people and them aborted? Are you a eugenists like Hillary?

You realize that made no grammatical sense, right?

Blacks only get more abortions because they don't have as easy access to contraception as white women have...

Lol
Na, not really

 

[Rustic]

All their screaming about "infanticide" aside, do you ever wonder what our country would look like if the Anti-Choice fanatics got their way.

Well, thanks to the modern miracles of actually understanding there is a rest of the world out there, we have a real life example.

The Philippines, former American Colony, has exactly the kind of anti-choice laws you guys want.

How's that working out.. Well, let's review.

Unintended Pregnancy and Unsafe Abortion in the Philippines

• The Philippines abortion law is among the strictest in the world. Abortion is illegal under all circumstances and there are no explicit exceptions. Nonetheless, because of high levels of unintended pregnancy, abortion is common in the country. Projections that were based on the national abortion rate in 2000 (the most recent available) and that took into account population increase estimated that 560,000 abortions occurred in 2008 and 610,000 abortions took place in 2012.[2,8,9]

• About 1,000 Filipino women die each year from abortion complications, which contributes to the nation’s high maternal mortality rate. Projections that were based on data from 2000 indicate that 100,000 women were hospitalized for abortion complications in 2012; countless others suffered complications that went untreated.[4,9]

• The stigma surrounding abortion makes it difficult for women to seek postabortion care. Some women report feeling shamed and intimidated by health care workers and in some cases, women are not given pain relievers or anesthetics or are denied treatment all together. Others report being threatened that they would be turned over to the police.[5,8]

I was 1st trimester pro-choice until insane hacks like you made excuses for the ghouls, who are to this this day selling body parts from dismembered aborted fetuses....Now you butchers are carrying the water for infanticide.

Go take your scare story from an irrelevant non-analogous nation and stuff it up your ass.

Except that those stories were out and out lies, fed to you by the rabid anti-abortionists. The people who produced those videos have been charged with fraud.

2 Activists Who Secretly Recorded Planned Parenthood Face New Felony Charges

Yes, women can opt for their fetal tissue being donated to science, but no one is profitting from that donation except the people who are getting life saving stem cell treatements as a result. Research labs pay shipping costs to receive the tissue. For women who want their choice to help others lives, this gives them some comfort.

Lol
Actually dead baby parts are extremely profitable, the only reason they are desired

 

[Rustic]

What I find so bloody amazing, as well as so damn hypocritical are these "small government" types, predominately males, being so fixated on controlling various aspects of a woman's vagina to the point of an obsession. Then in the next breath, these same control freaks claim their damn guns should all be unfettered from any control under law.

An abortion of a non-viable fetus denies the POTENTIAL for a living being. A gun shot through the head or heart of any person ENDS the life of a living being. Time to end this fucking hypocrisy. Women are not chattel and weapons don't enhance your manhood, fools.

Correct.

Which goes to the fact that conservatives are not ‘small government.’

Conservatives are fundamentally authoritarian – they seek to compel conformity and punish dissent.

Their unwarranted hostility toward privacy rights is proof of that, where conservatives work to increase the size and power of the state at the expense of individual liberty by compelling women to give birth against their will through force of law.

Wow, what an apt description.

LOL
pussy whipped bitches like yourself love political correctness

 

[JoeB131]

Bullshit. It would have been higher without abortions. This is not rocket surgery, dumbass.

How exactly does killing babies make for a higher birth rate again?

Why would it have been higher?

You see, here's the point you don't get. The legend you nuts tell yourself is that before Roe, women were obediently having their babies and sucking it up.

The reality is, they went to their OB/GYN's, who performed abortions and wrote something else down on the chart.

So that would mean that there were just as many abortions being performed pre-Roe as after Roe, because women were not getting abortions like that was a new thing for them.

The court was making the law keep up with the reality. These were laws that were never enforced, routinely ignored and needed to be struck down, but they state legislators didn't have the guts to stand up to the Churches and do it.