What with all this talk of homosexuality

[Dr Grump]

Marriage is not a right. Being happy is not a right. Once again, get over yourself.

BS..they are both unalienable rights IMO - especially when my happiness has NO impact on anyone else. There is an unalienable right to have guns but not one to be happy? BULLLSHITT!

 

[Avatar4321]

If it's such a small thing, then let it happen. No big deal, right?

Getting things taken care of legally would be a small thing. Forcing it on the American people is a huge thing.

Whenever a minority of people try to force their will on the majority, its tyranny. If they tried to argue their points in the arena of ideas and legislate it through the Constitutional process that has been set up, I dont think I would be as upset over it. But if you are going to try to circumvent the Democratic process and force it on the people despite overwhelming support against it, you have absolutely no right to claim its not a big thing.

 

[Avatar4321]

BS..they are both unalienable rights IMO - especially when my happiness has NO impact on anyone else. There is an unalienable right to have guns but not one to be happy? BULLLSHITT!

There are a number of things wrong with these two sentences.

First, neither happiness nor marriage is an unalienable right. The right to pursue happiness is a right. But the government cant guarentee happiness. Nor can the government guarentee marriage. It can only allow it. But marriage has always been limited to a covenant between an unmarried man and an unmarried woman who were not previously related and above the age of accountability. At no time in the history of the world has anyone every been allowed to marry just anyone else. There has always been restrictions on it. Its a privilege, not a right.

Second, Denying a right to gay marriage does not effect a persons happiness, nor their pursuit of happiness because happiness can only be obtained through the principles of faith, hope, virtue, temperance, patience, selflessness etc. Wickedness never was nor can it ever be happiness. Even if gays got everything they wanted tomorrow, they would still be miserable. and they would still be blaming their misery on "Homophobia" from others rather than their own actions.

Third, to say your happiness doesnt effect anyone else is entirely selfish and naive. Everyones actions effect everyone else. No man is an island. We interact with each other and our actions, whether good or bad, effect what others do who then effect others etc throughout society. Look at Hitler, he was one man and yet his life touched millions for evil. Or Martin Luther King Jr. His life touched millions for good. We all have a scope of influence in the world and our attitudes, actions, and speech, effects those within our scope of influence. Those who recognize their power and have the will to act can do great or terrible things in this world.

 

[MissileMan]

Second, Denying a right to gay marriage does not effect a persons happiness, nor their pursuit of happiness because happiness can only be obtained through the principles of faith, hope, virtue, temperance, patience, selflessness etc. Wickedness never was nor can it ever be happiness. Even if gays got everything they wanted tomorrow, they would still be miserable. and they would still be blaming their misery on "Homophobia" from others rather than their own actions.

Looks like someone has a "god" complex. You've got some set of balls to claim YOU know exactly what makes everyone happy. Put your Christian cookie cutter back in the drawer!

 

[dilloduck]

Who died and made you God? I'm hetro, I don't mind them using the word.

I just wanna be happy so called me "Master".

 

[GotZoom]

What's a "traditional" value? Women as chattel? That's "traditional". Blacks as second class citizens? That's traditional. How about fairness and compassion? Those are good values, though I think they've been used far too infrequently to be considered "traditional".

The other thing is that it seems to me that in its current form, "traditional values" or "family values" are really synonymous with "Christian values". Now, there's much to take from the Christian faith that is good... but the same is true about values which can be taken from other faiths. That isn't the issue, though. The issue is that I don't want my government telling me what my "values" should be. Government should govern... I don't need government to be the thought police.

And those girls? You know what my point was.... it was applying different standards to homosexual and heterosexual behavior. No one's saying those girls shouldn't breed or be able to marry... though might be a good thing if someone did.

It is a real shame that you equate the phrase "Traditional Values" to treating women as objects and possessions and treating blacks as second-class citizens. Perhaps that is where your misunderstanding starts.

Traditional Values are what YOU make them. What do YOU want your children to believe? If you feel that Traditional Values are only based on Christian concepts then you are sadly mistaken. They are not limited to just that.

I have to ask you two questions.

1. You said you wouldn't take your child to a Gay-Pride parade. Why?

2. I would hope I know this answer but....do you raise your child to be honest, work hard, be respectful, love people. Do you teach him integrity, the difference between right and wrong? Do you teach him fairness and compassion? I am sure you do.

Whether you like it or not, these are Traditional Values in nearly everyone's family. Not just Christian ones.

 

[Hobbit]

BS..they are both unalienable rights IMO - especially when my happiness has NO impact on anyone else. There is an unalienable right to have guns but not one to be happy? BULLLSHITT!

Right now I'm unmarried and fairly unhappy. Should I call the ACLU and get them to sue for a wife and bunch of other stuff to make me happy?

 

[007]

I have 2 words for you: So what?

Nature does not tell us what should be. It merely shows what is. Chemotherapy and radiation treatment for cancer is not natural, but it sure helps. Hurricanes are natural, but they sure do much damage.

Your examples, as usual, are kind of wierd mattie. "Chemotherapy and radiation", actually those two examples aren't even in the ball park for a parable. But a "hurricane", OK, they "naturally" occur in "nature", but a good example of comparing a hurricane to a fag would be a hurricane that SPUN IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. Everyone would know that isn't supposed to happen, it's not supposed to be like that, it's a fluke, "unnatural", somethings WRONG. Same with queers, people aren't supposed to be like that, they're a fluke, it's "unnatural", something's WRONG.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

I have 2 words for you: So what?

Nature does not tell us what should be. It merely shows what is. Chemotherapy and radiation treatment for cancer is not natural, but it sure helps. Hurricanes are natural, but they sure do much damage.

Besides what Pale said, what's happening with you lefties? I thought you were all for protecting and maintaining the plants and animals and the natural systems of this world. Back to the earth and
all. Whats that you say? You self-centered gays will make an exception for your deviant lifestyle?

I agree that chemo and radiation treatment do not happen "naturally" per se. However, they are the "natural" results of Man having a brain and naturally using it. Man in general, throughout history, has concluded that allowing gay marriage is not using our brains...naturally.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

I don't care what people do behind closed doors. But then it is thrown into everyone's faces...therein is where the problem is.

Yeah..things like this will make people rally for their cause:

Pretty soon America will once again be subjected to such lewdness displayed in the streets of our cities.

I got to wondering what would happen if heterosexuals did a similar thing? Do you think they would even issue permits for one? My guess is that most people would consider it a Pornographic Parade if done by straights. Are pornographic parades even allowed?

I would consider the gay parades to be pornographic in nature. However they seem to be excused on that issue because they're a protected minority and it's become PC... or what I would call Protected Crap.

 

[007]

Pretty soon America will once again be subjected to such lewdness displayed in the streets of our cities.

I got to wondering what would happen if heterosexuals did a similar thing? Do you think they would even issue permits for one? My guess is that most people would consider it a Pornographic Parade if done by straights. Are pornographic parades even allowed?

I would consider the gay parades to be pornographic in nature. However they seem to be excused on that issue because they're a protected minority and it's become PC... or what I would call Protected Crap.

Sodom and Gammorah. Those pictures turn my stomach. Sick, sick, sick.

I've never seen a parade like that. I know they go on, especially in San FranQueerco. But even if there was one near me, I'd avoid it like the plague. I see to much influence of the devil in faggots. He's sickened their minds into carrying out the most sexually disgusting acts in humanity to each other, and liking it. If that isn't the devil, then it's mental illness in it's purest form.

 

[Avatar4321]

Looks like someone has a "god" complex. You've got some set of balls to claim YOU know exactly what makes everyone happy. Put your Christian cookie cutter back in the drawer!

You dont have to have balls to be able to observe human nature. The fact is virtue brings happiness. Vice brings bondage and sorrow. It's a fact of life whether you want to admit it not.

In fact, the anger in your response speaks loudly for your own choice. You are just upset that you cant make bad decisions and be happy in them.

 

[GotZoom]

You never been in a locker room full of hetro males have you?

I have. And I have no idea what you are talking about.

What do you and your fellow hetero males do in locker rooms?

 

[Bonnie]

I have. And I have no idea what you are talking about.

What do you and your fellow hetero males do in locker rooms?

Im wondering the same thing. Applying makeup, group sex???

 

[Dr Grump]

Right now I'm unmarried and fairly unhappy. Should I call the ACLU and get them to sue for a wife and bunch of other stuff to make me happy?

No, get off you butt and get happy and married!! These people are not looking for any special treatment. They just want the same rights as hetros. Anything above and beyond that is special treatment...

 

[GotZoom]

Im wondering the same thing. Applying makeup, group sex???

The phrase "Rainbow Party" comes to mind.

 

[Dr Grump]

Im wondering the same thing. Applying makeup, group sex???

Note Kathianne (who I was responding to) said "speak"...not "do"...

 

[Stephanie]

They just want the same rights as hetros. Anything above and beyond that is special treatment...

They already have the same rights as hetros.......

 

[jillian]

They already have the same rights as hetros.......

Really? Funny. After you've been married for 10 years, you are eligible to get half of your spouse's social security after a split or get their benefits if they predecease. You can make medical decisions for your spouse, are entitled to a percentage of their estate, even without a will and are entitled to a property settlement if you split. Yet you think a gay couple who have chosen to be life partners are getting the "same rights"? They aren't. I don't believe in special privileges either, I hate affirmative action and the like.

I've also never seen anyone try to get a Constitutional amendment or put anything on a ballot saying heterosexuals shouldn't marry.

So how again does a long term gay partnership have the same rights?

 

[007]

Really? Funny. After you've been married for 10 years, you are eligible to get half of your spouse's social security after a split or get their benefits if they predecease. You can make medical decisions for your spouse, are entitled to a percentage of their estate, even without a will and are entitled to a property settlement if you split. Yet you think a gay couple who have chosen to be life partners are getting the "same rights"? They aren't. I don't believe in special privileges either, I hate affirmative action and the like.

I've also never seen anyone try to get a Constitutional amendment or put anything on a ballot saying heterosexuals shouldn't marry.

So how again does a long term gay partnership have the same rights?

Your arguements are such liberal, psychobabble, hogwash! FUCK!

Faggots... they want to be treated NORMAL, even though they act out sick, perverted, vile and disgusting sexual behavior. And you expect all us NORMAL people to ACCOMADATE THEM with SPECIAL PRIVILEDGES???!!!

You're insane.