what will the Libertarian Party's strategy for 2020 be?

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    You cannot take over the Republican Party when the Establishment has enough power to corrupt anyone that tries.

    While the Constitution Party has a good platform, it has the inherent inability to appeal to a good enough cross section of voters.

    We cannot return to the principles of the Constitution in one fell swoop. I'm trying to help get a couple of easy bills passed that would begin that process, but even legislation that doesn't cost money and would help restore Liberty is almost impossible to get noticed, much less passed.
     
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    Freedom is born of blood and it withers away until given birth by blood again. Tyrants entrench themselves in bureaucracy and they brainwash the public into being their servants. So, nothing short of a new Civil War will restore our freedom.

    Good luck with that.
     
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    At the end of the day I agree with what you're saying. John Adams once said:

    "But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever."

    Still, we have to exhaust all of our nonviolent political and legal avenues of redress before resorting to extraordinary measures. Nothing says that, in the meantime, we cannot plan out what the new government will look like.

    The puppet-masters took over our nation and changed the laws through many deceptive processes. The problem is, we haven't come up with a platform to rally people into a more representative government.
     
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    There are several reasons freedom can't be restored without war. The first problem is that people who want freedom are led on snipe hunts that can't get them to where they want to go. The Iraq war hunt for WMDs is a literal example, if we call WMDs snipes (we knew there were no WMDs, the opinions of damn fools aside). Other examples include eliminating the estate tax (a reasonable substitute for capital gains taxes), changing the tax structure (which would raise taxes on the middle-class, and not reduce the size of the IRS, the arguments of damn fools aside), building border wall (entry is legal for non-criminals, the problem is people over-staying), and just about everything else being dangled in from of hardworking Americans.

    Another big problem is that people don't act until it's too late. Instead of cementing our freedoms when we have them, we try to retrieve them after we lose them and the new status quo becomes "settled law" which the public becomes accustomed to (the boiling frog). The Constitution enshrined Free Speech as the highest law of the land, but we could never restore Free Speech today if it were lost. Not without a bloody revolution.

    And, Revolutions do happen when societies reach a breaking point.

    If Republicans had half a brain, they'd be fixing Obamacare, rather than trying to repeal it. Fixing it by baking in deregulation and freedom of conscience into the ACA (reducing government control and cost of our medical care, without raising insurmountable opposition). Instead they're accomplishing nothing. Eventually, the Democrats will return to power and further advance their healthcare agenda. But, how many Republicans talk about fixing Obamacare?
     
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    The Republicans had six years to do something about Obamacare. The fact that they sat on their lazy arses and complained without offering something better says more than all the posts I can do.
     
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    Obama had the veto... Trying to simply repeal Obamacare is stupid, both strategically and morally. It's strategically stupid because it's not going to happen, not even close. It's morally stupid because because it would cause millions of American to lose health insurance and be stuck in the mess the government created before Obamacare.
     
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    A party that does nothing at state or local level. A party that picked a drooling moron for it's presidential bid. A party that lacks funding or a cohesive message except legalize pot.
    Yeah...they will just lose again.
     
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    It's a valid question. I am not affiliated with any party, but my views most closely align with the libatarians. As near as I can tell, the Libitarians are a rudderless ship, which makes sense given their political philosophy. They need a dynamic leader, and Gary Johnson was a horrible choice.
     
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    The Republicans could have come up with an alternative plan in the six years they wailed about it and then introduced it after Obama left office. You did know that is possible, right?

    Personally, I'm against socialized medicine. If health insurance were treated like car insurance, it would be available AND affordable to all.
     
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    They may lose again OR someone might listen to what I'm saying and begin to the process to reform the platform and start a grass roots effort with something more than legalizing pot.
     

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