what will the Libertarian Party's strategy for 2020 be?

[BulletProof]

A party that does nothing at state or local level. A party that picked a drooling moron for it's presidential bid. A party that lacks funding or a cohesive message except legalize pot.
Yeah...they will just lose again.

Legalize pot? The LP effectively supports increased welfare spending and wants to put people in jail for using their own property as they wish. It would be nice if the LP weren't run by perverted socialists, but just by hippies who wanted some weed.

 

[Humorme]

A party that does nothing at state or local level. A party that picked a drooling moron for it's presidential bid. A party that lacks funding or a cohesive message except legalize pot.
Yeah...they will just lose again.

Legalize pot? The LP effectively supports increased welfare spending and wants to put people in jail for using their own property as they wish. It would be nice if the LP weren't run by perverted socialists, but just by hippies who wanted some weed.

I consider myself a Libertarian, but I would all but do away with welfare. Having defended people against eminent domain abuses, property Rights ought to be a must if we are to have a Libertarian Party.

It's a matter of a changing of the guard. That's it.

 

[thanatos144]

Their strategy will be to get real fucking high then again nominate that retard Gary Johnson and lose.

 

[Humorme]

Their strategy will be to get real fucking high then again nominate that retard Gary Johnson and lose.

Unless another crop of activists take control of the leadership, you may have a point.

 

[BulletProof]

We have a two party system. The LP will lose regardless of who they nominate and regardless of their platform. It took the likes of Hillary and Trump for the LP to break 1%.

The LP could put more effort into ending the two-party system, such as ending federal subsidies for the Republican and Democrat candidates which puts the third party candidates at that much more disadvantage.

 

[thanatos144]

We have a two party system. The LP will lose regardless of who they nominate and regardless of their platform. It took the likes of Hillary and Trump for the LP to break 1%.

The LP could put more effort into ending the two-party system, such as ending federal subsidies for the Republican and Democrat candidates which puts the third party candidates at that much more disadvantage.

You need to look at your numbers. They did break the 1% last election. It was because Trump and Hillary were unplatible to more then normal.

 

[BulletProof]

We have a two party system. The LP will lose regardless of who they nominate and regardless of their platform. It took the likes of Hillary and Trump for the LP to break 1%.

The LP could put more effort into ending the two-party system, such as ending federal subsidies for the Republican and Democrat candidates which puts the third party candidates at that much more disadvantage.

You need to look at your numbers. They did break the 1% last election. It was because Trump and Hillary were unplatible to more then normal.

That's what I said :/

 

[Humorme]

We have a two party system. The LP will lose regardless of who they nominate and regardless of their platform. It took the likes of Hillary and Trump for the LP to break 1%.

The LP could put more effort into ending the two-party system, such as ending federal subsidies for the Republican and Democrat candidates which puts the third party candidates at that much more disadvantage.

My idea of a win and your idea are two different things. Many times third parties come up with great ideas that the two party system has to adopt in order to keep the third party from gaining a foothold.

So, if they co-opt a good idea and that idea becomes the basis of a national debate, then if it were my idea, I consider it a net win.

You've admitted to the things that the Libertarians do wrong. What if YOU were in their meetings, helping to develop policy and pointed those things out? If a handful of people, thinking like you do, influenced their policy, what do you think could happen?

 

[GHook93]

this last presidential election, the libertarian party broke the record for their share of the popular vote in the general election. And that was with a candidate who was by far the weakest candidate in their primary field.
Ive seen some libertarians advocate for going GOP and "change from within"---make the repub platform more libertarian. Rand Paul is doing this, with mixed results. Austin Petersen is also running for a seat under the GOP brand. Other libertarians are arguing that now is the time to capitalize on many right leaning voters aapprehensions about the trump admin and try to grow the party.
Fellow libertarians, what are your thoughts on this discussion, and also, what would you like to see the LP do to increase its viability as a national political organization.

Get to 0.00004% of the vote and cheer for their major gains! Hey we don't call them Losertarians for nothing!


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[thanatos144]

There is reasons why libertarians will never be a big party.

1. While many think Pot should be legal they despise all drugs should be legal.
2. The majority of the country does NOT believe in abortion.
3. Open borders are a foolish idea that will never win anyone over
4. We have laws .

 

[petro]

A party that does nothing at state or local level. A party that picked a drooling moron for it's presidential bid. A party that lacks funding or a cohesive message except legalize pot.
Yeah...they will just lose again.

They may lose again OR someone might listen to what I'm saying and begin to the process to reform the platform and start a grass roots effort with something more than legalizing pot.

Something to hope for. Really have had it with the DFL and GOP.
The party should focus more on congressional seats and focus less on the big prize until a real grass roots starts.

 

[Humorme]

There is reasons why libertarians will never be a big party.

1. While many think Pot should be legal they despise all drugs should be legal.
2. The majority of the country does NOT believe in abortion.
3. Open borders are a foolish idea that will never win anyone over
4. We have laws .

1 - Non responsive. Whatever you said don't make sense. Pot will be legal within a few years unless America undergoes a radical change that displaces both the Republicans and Democrats

2- You can reform the Libertarian Party position on abortion. Like you know, there aren't that many people in positions of power in that Party

3 - Open borders are a reality - not something you believe in. They've existed before the first colonists and have existed since. What has not been discussed / debated is the alternative. A militarized border requiring National ID, a suspension of Constitutional Liberties, and 24 / 7 / 365 surveillance is not a very good idea.

There are better and less costly alternatives that have yet been discussed

4 - Yes, we have laws, but we need better laws. In addition, laws that cannot be enforced aren't worth the paper they're printed on. The United States has 14 MILLION people with criminal records and the most people incarcerated than anywhere on earth. Most of those people have not actually committed a crime. In other words they have not jeopardized anyone else's rights and, consequently, should not be imprisoned for violating statutory laws.

 

[BulletProof]

You've admitted to the things that the Libertarians do wrong. What if YOU were in their meetings, helping to develop policy and pointed those things out? If a handful of people, thinking like you do, influenced their policy, what do you think could happen?

The Libertarian Party is overran by fascists. They have no tolerance for people promoting libertarian positions. For example, their support for government licensing same-sex marriage. SSM provides not one iota of liberty to any homosexual. SSM only serves to promote tyranny, as a foundation for anti-discrimination laws and the use of tax dollars to promote a lifestyle which is abhorrent to a significant number of Americans.

Not one iota of liberty... except in the Orwellian sense as Libtards have redefined freedom -- forcing others to let you rape them, figuratively speaking. Practically every major platform position of the Libertarian Party in the past presidential election has the practical result of promoting tyranny.

If I went to their LP meetings, I'd be booted. Like violent antifa pigs, they'd accuse me of hate and intolerance, blah blah blah. They even boast of their website, "Libertarians say marriage equality only one step toward ending legal discrimination..." Uh, discrimination is liberty.

 

[Humorme]

You've admitted to the things that the Libertarians do wrong. What if YOU were in their meetings, helping to develop policy and pointed those things out? If a handful of people, thinking like you do, influenced their policy, what do you think could happen?

The Libertarian Party is overran by fascists. They have no tolerance for people promoting libertarian positions. For example, their support for government licensing same-sex marriage. SSM provides not one iota of liberty to any homosexual. SSM only serves to promote tyranny, as a foundation for anti-discrimination laws and the use of tax dollars to promote a lifestyle which is abhorrent to a significant number of Americans.

Not one iota of liberty... except in the Orwellian sense as Libtards have redefined freedom -- forcing others to let you rape them, figuratively speaking. Practically every major platform position of the Libertarian Party in the past presidential election has the practical result of promoting tyranny.

If I went to their LP meetings, I'd be booted. Like violent antifa pigs, they'd accuse me of hate and intolerance, blah blah blah. They even boast of their website, "Libertarians say marriage equality only one step toward ending legal discrimination..." Uh, discrimination is liberty.

They may get the most media coverage, but there are real Libertarians that would like to gain control of the Party. Bear that in mind.

 

[GHook93]

There is reasons why libertarians will never be a big party.

1. While many think Pot should be legal they despise all drugs should be legal.
2. The majority of the country does NOT believe in abortion.
3. Open borders are a foolish idea that will never win anyone over
4. We have laws .

They lose liberals and moderates on healthcare and education. They lose liberals further on economic freedom, lax gun control, taxation, spending, ease of regulation (esp environmental) and role of government (which is what wins over conservatives). But they lose most conservatives on their open border and liberal immigration policies.

In the end they appeal to very few and those who deserve a viable 3rd option.


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[Humorme]

There is reasons why libertarians will never be a big party.

1. While many think Pot should be legal they despise all drugs should be legal.
2. The majority of the country does NOT believe in abortion.
3. Open borders are a foolish idea that will never win anyone over
4. We have laws .

They lose liberals and moderates on healthcare and education. They lose liberals further on economic freedom, lax gun control, taxation, spending, ease of regulation (esp environmental) and role of government (which is what wins over conservatives). But they lose most conservatives on their open border and liberal immigration policies.

In the end they appeal to very few and those who deserve a viable 3rd option.


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So "open borders and liberal (sic) immigration policies are the only reasons you have for not supporting the Libertarian Party as a conservative???

 

[Picaro]

The American middle class, and most of the middle classes in western countries for that matter, have become incapable of ruling themselves; this has been true since the late 1960's. Dreaming up cool new Party names and slogans n stuff isn't going to help them.