Discussion in 'Economy' started by KMAN, Nov 5, 2008.
Increasing corporate taxes?
Decreasing corporate Taxes?
decreasing taxes according to americans on payroll and increasing them for those who look outside the US for goods and services to sell to the American market.
Ok, got that. We agree.
Who do you mean by "those"? Do you mean the individual person who buys something from overseas or companies that import goods?
I mean our outsourced jobs and imported goods must match the rate at which we take on outsourced jobs FROM foreign nations and export our goods. Anything after that I'm willing to consider heavy tariffs. We can't continue to believe some capitalist pipe dream about free markets when those free markets have used the American consumer like a global stepladder. If we don't protect OUR society then there will be nothing to protect until our standards of living is normalized with every third world ghetto that can pump out cheap plastic shit sold at wal mart.
Which society ? The term is becoming meaningless in America. It's global all the way now, baby. I hope we get assigned to a cool global function other than providing the rest of the world with entertainment.
Free markets haven't used the consumer, in fact it's the other way around. Consumers use the free market and they vote with their wallets. Wal-Mart is where it is because the people have voted with their wallets. They have chosen.
If you favor heavy tariffs then you favor raising prices on the very people who can afford it least. Companies aren't just going to eat the tariffs as a cost of business, they're gonna pass it on to the consumer via higher prices.
That's gonna be especially bad for the lower classes in the coming years as gas prices will rise and stay there because the current administration, Barack and the Democrats in Congress, will kill all drilling for more oil. Guaranteed.
So yes, the people will have more money in their pockets but will just have to pay it back out and more in higher energy costs which translates to higher food costs as everything gets transported everywhere.
Why do people think there is a gold mine out there just waiting to be tapped so we can all run jsut swim in our wealth ? It's not there--we are broke folks !
the AMERICAN society. and, if it's becomming meaningless it's only because capitalists would rather pay slave wages in china than maintain the American standard of living here in the US where we are expected to consume. Trust me, American workers are not trying to hear about how global economies are more important than their diminished standard of living. Im pretty sure yesterday proved that.
And, for real, what global function can you fathom for America when ghetto kids from India and China and Mexico can do it cheaper than our American, non-ghetto standard of living will allow?
Define American society. Yesterday proved nothing other than America was tired of white men calling the shots. Liberals are awesome at trying to tear things down. What are they going to build up ?
No, the consumer really can't use their wallets when their options have been narrowed and their budgets have been carved up. See Wal Mart versus mom and pop stores if you want to see that trend. THEY have not chosen if the only options presented are the ones that perpetuate a degrading cycle any more than a homeless man CHOOSES a soup line for thanksgiving dinner. Indeed, prices may raise but those very same people will actually have income to afford them given the agenda of retaining jobs rather than selling out america's workforce to the cheapest third world country. Business that want to pass on tarrifs can get taxed like a motherfucker for being ALLOWED access to the American economy. You think you can sell your goods to another consumer nation then go for it. Not only would Tarrifs normalize the clusterfuck of capitalism but it would provide a tax base that could alleviate taxes (income) on Americans. win win win situation really.
And, you probably shouldnt speak for the lower classes who've been told that their labor is worth next to nothing by capitalists since protectionism would preserve the very work opportunities you'd rather jettison to china than pay a living wage in the US.
Killing the big oil drill would prompt industry in areas that have not been old money strongholds for the last century. Indeed, a wide range of business will spring from the carcass of petrolium.
Face it. Your strategy failed us. If it hadn't then you wouldn't be faced with reality like it is today.
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