What will happen after the population collapse?

[william the wie]

Most of Eurasia is either in or headed for population collapse within one to two decades. South America and Africa are picking up some of the slack but the UN has been predicting maximum world population at 9 billion in 2060 for decades. There probably are counter-trends but some trends were seen in the classical Greek dark age (roughly 900-600 BC) and the Western European dark age (400-800 AD) and are likely to be seen again.

The lowest levels of decline will be seen in military, transport and communications technology. Roads, aqueducts, walls, tunnels and bridges are still in use 2-3 thousand years after construction.

Since the US is not part of this population collapse most of the technological advances in Europe and the Far East will be outsourced here over the coming decade in much the same way that Byzantium and its outposts gained from the fall of Rome.

Since US demographics have an economic boom baked in for 2025-30 and resuming after a slight dip in 2038-49 what form will that boom take?

 

[uscitizen]

Why do you think China and India is buying America?
They will have here to use.

 

[Old Rocks]

Fewer people will live better.

 

[william the wie]

Why do you think China and India is buying America?
They will have here to use.

Well mostly China, India is not seeing as much of a population collapse even though they pioneered gender based abortion. Japan, Korea, Taiwan and most of the rest of the Far East is collapsing mostly through the woman shortage but also population policy.

 

[william the wie]

Fewer people will live better.

I'm not sure how you mean that could you expand the thought a bit?

 

[uscitizen]

Women shortage in China.
Perhaps we have something to sell them after all?

 

[william the wie]

Women shortage in China.
Perhaps we have something to sell them after all?

You are going to be a grease stain on the floor when the chicks run across that post and I am not going to intervene beyond asking the mods to get thee to the flame zone.

 

[loosecannon]

Women are attracted to men with means. It assures the survival of their spawn. Despite all illusions to the contrary humans do most of their thinking from the reptilian core of their brain, women included.

Women are also attracted to outsiders, that ensures that inbreeding is kept to a minimum. It also strengthens the gene pool.

As for a die off, that is merely speculation that is currently at odds with reality. A correction is of course inevitable as population can't rise forever. But what form it will come in and who will be the most effected is beyond anybody's ability to know.

The world will certainly spend the next 100 years focused intently on controlling the outcome of that uncertainty.

I expect the ultimate results will be a complete surprise to all of us sheeple, and maybe even the prophets and sci fi writers.

We have arranged reality so that 5-10 dominant forces are all converging on an intractable impasse within roughly the same period. All of this is new, and none of this is represented by history.

But the more important question is "will Rock and Roll die, or is it eternal?".

 

[Intense]

Women are attracted to men with means. It assures the survival of their spawn. Despite all illusions to the contrary humans do most of their thinking from the reptilian core of their brain, women included.

Women are also attracted to outsiders, that ensures that inbreeding is kept to a minimum. It also strengthens the gene pool.

As for a die off, that is merely speculation that is currently at odds with reality. A correction is of course inevitable as population can't rise forever. But what form it will come in and who will be the most effected is beyond anybody's ability to know.

The world will certainly spend the next 100 years focused intently on controlling the outcome of that uncertainty.

I expect the ultimate results will be a complete surprise to all of us sheeple, and maybe even the prophets and sci fi writers.

We have arranged reality so that 5-10 dominant forces are all converging on an intractable impasse within roughly the same period. All of this is new, and none of this is represented by history.

But the more important question is "will Rock and Roll die, or is it eternal?".

Rock and Roll is Eternal silly.

 

[Sallow]

Women shortage in China.
Perhaps we have something to sell them after all?

Oh gosh..that was bad..

Funny..but bad.

 

[loosecannon]

Rock and Roll is Eternal silly.

maybe it is, but you dodged the question. Will it ever die, and how soon?

The economy and humanity are also eternally silly. The Earth doesn't care if silly species come and go.

So what about Rock and roll, will it last another 20 years? The instrumentation, drums and guitars? The back beat 4 and three chord progressions? Will Jazz and blues die, or last as long as classical piano and violin?

 

[loosecannon]

Women shortage in China.
Perhaps we have something to sell them after all?

Oh gosh..that was bad..

Funny..but bad.

I dunno why it is so funny, half the Asian world has been busy trying to sell brides to the US for well over a decade.

I know two guys who actually bought and married Asian brides.

Tables turn. How much will the new Miss World be worth to a Chinese billionaire?

 

[uscitizen]

Palin might yet be able to get a father for her grandchild.

 

[loosecannon]

Palin might yet be able to get a father for her grandchild.

and reap a hansom dowry as well. Bristol Palin Yuan has a nice ring, but Bristol Palin Renminbi has a nearly Italian feel to it!

 

[Intense]

Palin might yet be able to get a father for her grandchild.

He already has a father.

 

[loosecannon]

Palin might yet be able to get a father for her grandchild.

He already has a father.

I think USC was referring to one who would stick around.

 

[Picaro]

The U.S. could certainly use a population decrease, on the order of 120 million or so. I don't buy the argument that it would a bad thing to reduce global population; technology has increased productivity levels enormously in the last 100 years, reducing the need to encourage immigration, especially the kind of immigration avidly supported and encouraged by lobbyists like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and their front groups in both of the Establishment's political wings.

What would happen is far less strain on our infrastructure, a massive improvement in our education system, higher wage levels for minorities and blue collar whites and, by extension, reduce the strain on social services and family safety nets, a welcome drop in imports and energy costs, reduced demand for food and shelter, and a general deflation of ridiculously bloated asset values, especially in housing.

 

[william the wie]

Women are attracted to men with means. It assures the survival of their spawn. Despite all illusions to the contrary humans do most of their thinking from the reptilian core of their brain, women included.

Women are also attracted to outsiders, that ensures that inbreeding is kept to a minimum. It also strengthens the gene pool.

As for a die off, that is merely speculation that is currently at odds with reality. A correction is of course inevitable as population can't rise forever. But what form it will come in and who will be the most effected is beyond anybody's ability to know.

The world will certainly spend the next 100 years focused intently on controlling the outcome of that uncertainty.

I expect the ultimate results will be a complete surprise to all of us sheeple, and maybe even the prophets and sci fi writers.

We have arranged reality so that 5-10 dominant forces are all converging on an intractable impasse within roughly the same period. All of this is new, and none of this is represented by history.

But the more important question is "will Rock and Roll die, or is it eternal?".

Nothing to disagree with there but more immediately Korea, Japan, Germany, PIIGS and Russia are imploding now. And some nations are exporting brides as their main industry: N Korea, Burma, Russia and Iran most noticeably. While others are so far down that they don't have enough young women left after trophy wives to do any bride exporting most noticeably PIIGS.

 

[editec]

I'm not sure that there will be a population collapse anytime in the near future.

But if there is a massive population collapse, then, if history be our guide, a study of the 14th century Europe might be a useful endeavor.

The last massive population collapse we had resulted from the waves of Bubonic plague that swept across the world.

The outcome was the end of feudalism in Europe, the rise of the nation state, the eventual development of modern capitalism, the laboring class working for money, the merchant class creating wealth in conjunction with that laboring class, and eventually representational forms of government as that laboring class demanded a share of the wealth.

But the path to that world did not happen quickly.

It took nearly 400 years before what we think of as the modern world evolved into what we have today, really.

It was a tumultuous 400 years, too.

S now, I suspect we're headed toward a one world government, with or without a population collapse.

And, as much as I am fearful that a one world goveenment will be oppressive for most of us, I think that sooner or later a one world government is needed.

Why?

Because now, thanks to our own technologies, and perhaps also to the effects we might be having on the climate, we NEED a world-wide solutions for many of the problems facing mankind.

Let's recap:

1. Regardless whether the population collapses or not, we will need to be able to act as a species if we hope to survive as a species.

2. A one world government is the only way to take on problems that effect the entire world.

3. That one world government might be good or bad for most of us, That's probably up to us to decide.

4. But if we cannot form a viable world government to monitor and cope with world problems, then mankind itself will fail the Darwinist test for social creatures and nature will solve the problem of mankind once and for all.

There...

For those of you seeking a rationalization for FREE TRADE, that's about the best I can offer.

Not that FREE TRADE is making all of us wealthier, that's obvisouly not even remotely true.

But because FREE TRADE is changing the dynamic of who actually has power and because FREE TRADE is eroding the entire idea of a nation state.

And, if history be our guide, nation states are NOT suited to deciding how to use the advances that tecnology is giving us.

Nation states are amoral entities acting in the selfish interests of the nation or at least acting in the interests of those who control them,

That's just NOT going to be a good enough system of power and control for mankind in the next 100 years.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The U.S. could certainly use a population decrease, on the order of 120 million or so. I don't buy the argument that it would a bad thing to reduce global population; technology has increased productivity levels enormously in the last 100 years, reducing the need to encourage immigration, especially the kind of immigration avidly supported and encouraged by lobbyists like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and their front groups in both of the Establishment's political wings.

What would happen is far less strain on our infrastructure, a massive improvement in our education system, higher wage levels for minorities and blue collar whites and, by extension, reduce the strain on social services and family safety nets, a welcome drop in imports and energy costs, reduced demand for food and shelter, and a general deflation of ridiculously bloated asset values, especially in housing.

You would need to actually secure the borders for that to happen, as soon as we are at full employment again another wave of 10 to 20 million Latinos will arrive from Mexico and parts South. All aided and abetted by both the Democratic party and the Republican Party.