'What We Owe to Each Other'

[Crackerjack]

genius perspective

no doubt lost among the greedy.....

~S~

The greedy communists or the greedy capitalists?

Do I have to personally be greedy to recognize that most people operate on self interest? Do i have to be a thief to recognize that the honor system is a horribly risky way to sell anything?

I didn't come to my conclusions because I'm against giving charitably and wanted to find philosophical justification, much as you would love to think it. That would be the same as me saying that all of you who support communism just want to be lazy as shit and have people with jobs give you money. That would be an awfully simplistic and most likely untrue assessment, no?

On top of this the philosophy isn't just morally just all self interest, it's morally justifying self interest exercised in an honest manner. The implications are vastly different, if you care to take the time and think about it.

I've drawn no conclusions about you or your philosophy.

 

[sparky]

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite.

John Kenneth Galbraith

genius perspective

no doubt lost among the greedy.....

~S~

The greedy communists or the greedy capitalists?

how would one tell the difference?

~S~

 

[sparky]

genius perspective

no doubt lost among the greedy.....

~S~

The greedy communists or the greedy capitalists?

Do I have to personally be greedy to recognize that most people operate on self interest? Do i have to be a thief to recognize that the honor system is a horribly risky way to sell anything?

I didn't come to my conclusions because I'm against giving charitably and wanted to find philosophical justification, much as you would love to think it. That would be the same as me saying that all of you who support communism just want to be lazy as shit and have people with jobs give you money. That would be an awfully simplistic and most likely untrue assessment, no?

On top of this the philosophy isn't just morally just all self interest, it's morally justifying self interest exercised in an honest manner. The implications are vastly different, if you care to take the time and think about it.

Regardless of how one assumes moral turpitude, Galbraith's quote simplifies the prospect of any economic system's fundametal flaw

human greed

were i to simplify our current economic situation down to two words, i think most of us can agree on these

now from a broader objective view, the end result smells almost the same, from a finer subjective view anyone would conceede not so much so

either way, it's blind jingoism for people to advocate a system with such obvious flaws in need of some entity pulling back the riens on the ride to it's ruin

imho, suicide packs such as this economic juggernaut have little in common with any conservative mindset i'm familiar with

~S~

 

[Two Thumbs]

If you learn one thing as you go through this short time we call life, it is that people do not think. Situations, conversations, ideas go into our heads and some piece of the mind connects with another piece and instead of thinking about the topic it pulls the answer out immediately. If we wait we come back with the same answer, only now we think we thought about it. Have you ever wondered why you dream such nonsense or why certain things will create some feeling of dread or happiness or whatever? It is because much of what we are is simply our mind's evolutionary process at work. But maybe, sometimes, we can take those synapses and move them around so that next time something different comes out. Possible?

Anyway that is my intro to an interesting interview in the 'Boston Review.' Quote below for my wingnut friends who often tell me how much they appreciate my quotes and book links.

"Most interactions with people that you trust, people that you love, or people that just need to cooperate with on an immediate basis, take the form of “From each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs.” It doesn’t matter if you’re working for the government, working for a corporation, or working in your family; if you need to fix the toilet because it’s leaking and you say “Hand me the wrench,” the other guy doesn’t say “What do I get for that?” It’s not an exchange; people act according to their abilities to chip in. Ironically communism is applied because it’s the only thing that works; it’s the most efficient way to allocate resources. Thus I like to say that you could argue that capitalism is just a bad way of organizing communism." David Graeber

Boston Review — David V. Johnson: What We Owe to Each Other (David Graeber, Debt)

Communism is government run everything. capitalism has nothing to do with government.

David Graeber isn't all that bright.

 

[editec]

Cooperation, not competition, is what makes society's work.

Competition is a good thing in some cases.

But if the world was the dog eat dog world that the neocons are trying to tell us it is?

There'd BE NO civilizations at all!

 

[Crackerjack]

genius perspective

no doubt lost among the greedy.....

~S~

The greedy communists or the greedy capitalists?

how would one tell the difference?

~S~

The communists enforce their greed with guns.

 

[Annie]

If you learn one thing as you go through this short time we call life, it is that people do not think. Situations, conversations, ideas go into our heads and some piece of the mind connects with another piece and instead of thinking about the topic it pulls the answer out immediately. If we wait we come back with the same answer, only now we think we thought about it. Have you ever wondered why you dream such nonsense or why certain things will create some feeling of dread or happiness or whatever? It is because much of what we are is simply our mind's evolutionary process at work. But maybe, sometimes, we can take those synapses and move them around so that next time something different comes out. Possible?

Anyway that is my intro to an interesting interview in the 'Boston Review.' Quote below for my wingnut friends who often tell me how much they appreciate my quotes and book links.

"Most interactions with people that you trust, people that you love, or people that just need to cooperate with on an immediate basis, take the form of “From each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs.” It doesn’t matter if you’re working for the government, working for a corporation, or working in your family; if you need to fix the toilet because it’s leaking and you say “Hand me the wrench,” the other guy doesn’t say “What do I get for that?” It’s not an exchange; people act according to their abilities to chip in. Ironically communism is applied because it’s the only thing that works; it’s the most efficient way to allocate resources. Thus I like to say that you could argue that capitalism is just a bad way of organizing communism." David Graeber

Boston Review — David V. Johnson: What We Owe to Each Other (David Graeber, Debt)

Communism is government run everything. capitalism has nothing to do with government.

David Graeber isn't all that bright.

Yep, Communism is a political entity. Capitalism is an economic one. Granted that Communism is anti-capitalism, though the Chinese are trying to reconcile, unsuccessfully for the most part.

 

[Truthmatters]

Cooperation, not competition, is what makes society's work.

Competition is a good thing in some cases.

But if the world was the dog eat dog world that the neocons are trying to tell us it is?

There'd BE NO civilizations at all!

It would look kinda like the rule of Ghengis Chan

 

[Truthmatters]

Whether or not a suffering neighbor deserves scorn or compassion is a function of judgment. If we don't teach judgment we teach nothing.

so would it be good to teach children to scorn a suffering neighbor?

 

[Truthmatters]

I feel very sorry you had such a horrible childhood.

A family is actually supposed to be built on love not fear

Tell that to God.
Obey me or I will toss you into flames and darkness for an eternity...and I do this because I love you.

Not even God could run a communist country.

Who ever mentioned fear? A well run organized family is a dictatorship. At the head is a parent. It could be the father, mother or both. The children's wishes might be taken into consideration but they absolutely woudn't get a vote. Obey me or go to your room and contemplate your decisions.

Dictatorships run on fear

 

[Crackerjack]

Cooperation, not competition, is what makes society's work.

Competition is a good thing in some cases.

But if the world was the dog eat dog world that the neocons are trying to tell us it is?

There'd BE NO civilizations at all!

It would look kinda like the rule of Ghengis Chan

Yeah, it'll look just like that.

 

[Oddball]

No, don't think even electron microscope can find tdm's brain.

 

[Truthmatters]

So do you agree dictatorships run on fear?

 

[Two Thumbs]

Cooperation, not competition, is what makes society's work.

Competition is a good thing in some cases.

But if the world was the dog eat dog world that the neocons are trying to tell us it is?

There'd BE NO civilizations at all!

And that's why capitalist societies last, while government run ones end in flames.

Russia, Greece and Spain come to mind

 

[Two Thumbs]

If you learn one thing as you go through this short time we call life, it is that people do not think. Situations, conversations, ideas go into our heads and some piece of the mind connects with another piece and instead of thinking about the topic it pulls the answer out immediately. If we wait we come back with the same answer, only now we think we thought about it. Have you ever wondered why you dream such nonsense or why certain things will create some feeling of dread or happiness or whatever? It is because much of what we are is simply our mind's evolutionary process at work. But maybe, sometimes, we can take those synapses and move them around so that next time something different comes out. Possible?

Anyway that is my intro to an interesting interview in the 'Boston Review.' Quote below for my wingnut friends who often tell me how much they appreciate my quotes and book links.

"Most interactions with people that you trust, people that you love, or people that just need to cooperate with on an immediate basis, take the form of “From each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs.” It doesn’t matter if you’re working for the government, working for a corporation, or working in your family; if you need to fix the toilet because it’s leaking and you say “Hand me the wrench,” the other guy doesn’t say “What do I get for that?” It’s not an exchange; people act according to their abilities to chip in. Ironically communism is applied because it’s the only thing that works; it’s the most efficient way to allocate resources. Thus I like to say that you could argue that capitalism is just a bad way of organizing communism." David Graeber

Boston Review — David V. Johnson: What We Owe to Each Other (David Graeber, Debt)

Communism is government run everything. capitalism has nothing to do with government.

David Graeber isn't all that bright.

Yep, Communism is a political entity. Capitalism is an economic one. Granted that Communism is anti-capitalism, though the Chinese are trying to reconcile, unsuccessfully for the most part.

The Chinese control, absolutely, who gets to become rich. No one gets to do what they want unless it's a very low level job.

ex; All their Olympians are chosen by age 2 and all they do is what they were picked to do.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

But if the world was the dog eat dog world that the neocons are trying to tell us it is?

There'd BE NO civilizations at all!

dog eat dog? capitalism is about pleasing your customers. That sounds like love, not dog eat dog.

under socialism there is no incentive to please customers and so they slowly starve to death. Now you can see why China just switched to capitalism. Actually this has been in the news for years. Where on earth have you been?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

of course Galbraith said that before the liberal USSR and liberal Communist China collapsed in utter deadly poverty, and long before conservative capitalism produced the world's greatest growth rates in China.

Morally superior liberals still repeat it out of perfectly pure ignorance.

 

[Katzndogz]

Communism is government run everything. capitalism has nothing to do with government.

David Graeber isn't all that bright.

Yep, Communism is a political entity. Capitalism is an economic one. Granted that Communism is anti-capitalism, though the Chinese are trying to reconcile, unsuccessfully for the most part.

The Chinese control, absolutely, who gets to become rich. No one gets to do what they want unless it's a very low level job.

ex; All their Olympians are chosen by age 2 and all they do is what they were picked to do.

Have you read Thomas More's Utopia?

You would undoubtably like it.

 

[daveman]

The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

of course Galbraith said that before the liberal USSR and liberal Communist China collapsed in utter deadly poverty, and long before conservative capitalism produced the world's greatest growth rates in China.

Morally superior liberals still repeat it out of perfectly pure ignorance.

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to vote Democrat.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

OP idiotic liberal justification for communism:

if you need to fix the toilet because it’s leaking and you say “Hand me the wrench,” the other guy doesn’t say “What do I get for that?” It’s not an exchange; people act according to their abilities to chip in. Ironically communism

actually my plumber has an assistant who he pays I'm sure. He
doesn't ask me to help or flag down a passer by to help. That would be a hugely inefficient way for plumbers to operate. The assistant is present, knowledgeable, and incented to help. I and passers would be none of those things.

would you like to try again to justify communism? Why is always liberals who like communism. Is it an surprise that we think of them as anti-American?