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I never said it would.
I said it would help stem the violence caused by the war on drugs and save countless lives and billions of dollars
And you're all about saving lives aren't you? How do you feel about wasting billions of dollars every year on a program that doesn't work?
It isn't going to stop the violence in our streets or Mexico. Only getting rid of those plantations growing coca for the world market can do that. Koios and I both said don't jail users of drugs.
Think about it, no drugs, but they have plenty of cheap pot. The supply of guns gets cut off. They can't market drugs and fight over turf like they used to. They get high, just chill out and the homicide rates decline.
So now you want to magically end all the violence in Mexico too?
Portugal is a great example of what happens when all drugs are decriminalized.
Drug use actually declines, deaths from overdose decline, crime declines and the streets are safer. The money saved by not pursuing and incarcerating users more than funds drug treatment programs and actually helps people get a handle on their addictions.
Tell me what particular brand of hubris is it that makes you think it's possible to change human nature?
people have been using mood altering substances since the dawn of man and you think you can just make it stop or just allow people to use the drugs you approve of?
Koios, maybe you should start listening to Uncensored. At least he knows his medications.
No, he doesn't. He was wrong about ephedrine.
1. No, dipshit. The thing crackheads moving to meth will tell ya, the shit last for days. Way cheaper than crack to stay fucked up and awake for a week or more at a time.
2. My mistake, indeed. Sorry. Working from memory, and not googling as I go.
It isn't going to stop the violence in our streets or Mexico. Only getting rid of those plantations growing coca for the world market can do that. Koios and I both said don't jail users of drugs.
Think about it, no drugs, but they have plenty of cheap pot. The supply of guns gets cut off. They can't market drugs and fight over turf like they used to. They get high, just chill out and the homicide rates decline.
So now you want to magically end all the violence in Mexico too?
Portugal is a great example of what happens when all drugs are decriminalized.
Drug use actually declines, deaths from overdose decline, crime declines and the streets are safer. The money saved by not pursuing and incarcerating users more than funds drug treatment programs and actually helps people get a handle on their addictions.
Tell me what particular brand of hubris is it that makes you think it's possible to change human nature?
people have been using mood altering substances since the dawn of man and you think you can just make it stop or just allow people to use the drugs you approve of?
Let me explain again that decriminializing crack is not going to stop the violence on our streets or in Mexico. The same Drug Cartels will be controlling it. This isn't Portugal and you're living in a Ron Paul fantasy world. We already proposed the same thing Portugal has and why didn't you pick that up? We suggested treatment and not jail time.
1. No, dipshit. The thing crackheads moving to meth will tell ya, the shit last for days. Way cheaper than crack to stay fucked up and awake for a week or more at a time.
2. My mistake, indeed. Sorry. Working from memory, and not googling as I go.
I'll admit that about 99% of my knowledge of meth comes from 5 seasons of "Breaking Bad," but the impression I have is that the illicit manufacture and distribution is big money.
Koios, maybe you should start listening to Uncensored. At least he knows his medications.
My backgroud is chemistry and they use to make meth from ephedrine, before the over the counter market switched to pseudoephedrine.
You people may not be old enough to remember it, but we have been through this meth thing before. It isn't the kind of drug you want on the streets and evenually people start injecting it. It's very addicting like heroin, because both mimic biochemical processes that everybody has. The chemicals are necessary for proper body function and the drug addicts are telling their bodies they are making too much of the chemical and to shut down the body's production. Meth in itself will turn people violent. It isn't going to follow your libertarian philosophy, even if it's free.
1. No, dipshit. The thing crackheads moving to meth will tell ya, the shit last for days. Way cheaper than crack to stay fucked up and awake for a week or more at a time.
2. My mistake, indeed. Sorry. Working from memory, and not googling as I go.
I'll admit that about 99% of my knowledge of meth comes from 5 seasons of "Breaking Bad," but the impression I have is that the illicit manufacture and distribution is big money.
My backgroud is chemistry and they use to make meth from ephedrine, before the over the counter market switched to pseudoephedrine.
Both are similar, one is synthetic, the other organic. Neither yield true methamphetamine. My understanding is that this is the root of the term "crank." Crank is low quality speed from ephedrine. The real methamphetamine has a street name of "Crystal."
Methylamine is the basis for actual methamphetamine, hence the name.
You people may not be old enough to remember it, but we have been through this meth thing before. It isn't the kind of drug you want on the streets and evenually people start injecting it. It's very addicting like heroin, because both mimic biochemical processes that everybody has. The chemicals are necessary for proper body function and the drug addicts are telling their bodies they are making too much of the chemical and to shut down the body's production. Meth in itself will turn people violent. It isn't going to follow your libertarian philosophy, even if it's free.
Meth was legal until 1970.
Even you Bolsheviks would be hard pressed to demonstrate that things have gotten better since the crack down. (pun intended.)
Koios, maybe you should start listening to Uncensored. At least he knows his medications.
No, he doesn't. He was wrong about ephedrine.
He said pseudoephedrine.
You watch too much TV, U'08. They call it "meth," or when talking to their dealer who knows what they want. "A 40" ($40 worth)
Koios made a mistake and said epinephrine, instead of ephedrine. Epinephrine is commonly called adrenaline, but knucklehead had to open his big mouth and say you can't make meth from ephedrine, which is totally wrong.
The only difference between ephedrine and methamphetamine is there is a hydroxyl group on the second carbon of the chain. All you have to do is change it to a hydrogen atom and it isn't that hard. Once pseudoephedrine took over the market, they started making meth out of it, instead of ephedrine.
When you take meth, it is telling your body that it's making too much epinephrine, so the body works to correct that and shut down production. Epinephrine is necessary for a functioning body, so the drug throws the body out of balance and that imbalance leads to addiction.
By the time someone is shooting meth, they stand a very good chance of dying soon, unless they get help. I can't think of any drug that makes a person more prone to violent behavior than methamphetamine.
You watch too much TV, U'08. They call it "meth," or when talking to their dealer who knows what they want. "A 40" ($40 worth)
This is one area where I have no doubt at all that you have far greater expertise than I.....
Koios made a mistake and said epinephrine, instead of ephedrine. Epinephrine is commonly called adrenaline, but knucklehead had to open his big mouth and say you can't make meth from ephedrine, which is totally wrong.
Not what I said, stupidfuck.
I said that real meth is based on methylamine - which it is. Ephedrine, both organic and synthetic, are indeed used to make speed.
Methamphetamine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The only difference between ephedrine and methamphetamine is there is a hydroxyl group on the second carbon of the chain. All you have to do is change it to a hydrogen atom and it isn't that hard. Once pseudoephedrine took over the market, they started making meth out of it, instead of ephedrine.
When you take meth, it is telling your body that it's making too much epinephrine, so the body works to correct that and shut down production. Epinephrine is necessary for a functioning body, so the drug throws the body out of balance and that imbalance leads to addiction.
By the time someone is shooting meth, they stand a very good chance of dying soon, unless they get help. I can't think of any drug that makes a person more prone to violent behavior than methamphetamine.
If meth users die quickly, it sounds like a self-correcting problem.
